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Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:00 pm
by jaymz
WELL... youy could see it as a vriation of mount...there are images of the GB holding its boomgun under its arm rather than over it in Chaos Earth. Sort of a shotting at the hip configuration....
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 6:36 pm
by Mack
The mounting point on the right shoulder is a ball joint. To go from the picture on p71 to the picture on p72, the GB would aim straight down, the rotate the gun to his right.
It doesn't flip over the shoulder, but around it.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 19, 2010 9:29 pm
by Zer0 Kay
Apollo said he noticed the problem with the art and the description also, which is one of the reasons he's done them under the arm, since you reach back and pull it foward and storring a gun barrel up (only other possible way for being able to reach back and pull it foward) is a terrible thing to do. Durring inclement weather water will collect in the barrel, bad for firearms worse for a railgun.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 6:21 am
by Mallak's Place
Zer0 Kay wrote:Apollo said he noticed the problem with the art and the description also, which is one of the reasons he's done them under the arm, since you reach back and pull it foward and storring a gun barrel up (only other possible way for being able to reach back and pull it foward) is a terrible thing to do. Durring inclement weather water will collect in the barrel, bad for firearms worse for a railgun.
The pilots use an old military trick, they put condoms over the barrel.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 8:49 am
by rat_bastard
art is not cannon.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 9:27 am
by azazel1024
rat_bastard wrote:art is not cannon.
Except we are talking about a drawing of a cannon
.
-Matt
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:31 am
by Rallan
rat_bastard wrote:art is not cannon.
As theories go, that one is... interesting.
What's the art actually there for then?
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 1:59 pm
by Zer0 Kay
Mallak's Place wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:Apollo said he noticed the problem with the art and the description also, which is one of the reasons he's done them under the arm, since you reach back and pull it foward and storring a gun barrel up (only other possible way for being able to reach back and pull it foward) is a terrible thing to do. Durring inclement weather water will collect in the barrel, bad for firearms worse for a railgun.
The pilots use an old military trick, they put condoms over the barrel.
Why don't they use the newer military trick? Carry the gun barrel down? I think the boom gun would need a magnum.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Tue Apr 20, 2010 2:00 pm
by Zer0 Kay
Rallan wrote:rat_bastard wrote:art is not cannon.
As theories go, that one is... interesting.
What's the art actually there for then?
Apparently there do give you an idea of what a vehicle isn't like.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:42 am
by Rallan
Zer0 Kay wrote:Rallan wrote:rat_bastard wrote:art is not cannon.
As theories go, that one is... interesting.
What's the art actually there for then?
Apparently there do give you an idea of what a vehicle isn't like.
Ah so that was my mistake. All these years I thought the art was bought (and often specifically commissioned) to give me a
better idea of what the setting is like
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 2:15 am
by Zer0 Kay
Rallan wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:Rallan wrote:rat_bastard wrote:art is not cannon.
As theories go, that one is... interesting.
What's the art actually there for then?
Apparently there do give you an idea of what a vehicle isn't like.
Ah so that was my mistake. All these years I thought the art was bought (and often specifically commissioned) to give me a
better idea of what the setting is like
Glad you could translate my half asleepese.
Yeah they had us all going except for that one guy who makes everything look organic (techno wizard stuff in Merctown and much of Australia's art) he's there to make sure we know it isn't canon (imo they should have had him draw for all of the Xiticix, the demon realms but not the creatures themselves... maybe even the brass city, but his rendition of technology is just horrid.)
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 12:32 am
by The Beast
rat_bastard wrote:art is not always cannon.
Fixed.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Sat Apr 24, 2010 10:51 am
by Mack
The Beast wrote:rat_bastard wrote:art is not always cannon.
Fixed.
Please use the quotation feature as it is intended, as an accurate representation of another post.
Thanks,
Mack
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:43 pm
by Apollo Okamura
Actually, I do draw the cannon (no pun intended) over the arm, since the description says,
"The weapon is attached to the back and right shoulder of the armor. When not in use, the gun is flipped back and stored in an upward position. When needed for combat, the GB's operator simply reaches back, grasps the handle and pulls forward."Problem is, the Kevin Long/Siembieda picture is on a rotation joint; which, like a person's shoulder, points down. Kevin Long's other diagrams are on a ball joint, which would suggest the gun arcs up, swivels forward then rotates down. It's better, but there's no way a ball-joint + swivel would be able to handle a rail gun! A more accurate version of the gun (despite the bad animation) would probably be in
Nokia's Promise of Power where, in the video, the cannon is likely track-fed up and over the shoulder - which would probably handle the suspension much better than a simple swivel joint. They had another
version where it simply rotates over the shoulder, but while it faces the right direction, it's way too high over the shoulder making it impossible to get to the handle (especially with the handle being behind the swivel joint).
Basically, in my opinion, it would come down to redesigning the upper half of the GlitterBoy, but with the GB's current design being around for 25 years now, despite being functionally inaccurate, the image itself is iconic. So redesigning the suit would upset a few fans, I'm sure.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 12:31 am
by Zer0 Kay
Apollo Okamura wrote:Actually, I do draw the cannon (no pun intended) over the arm, since the description says,
"The weapon is attached to the back and right shoulder of the armor. When not in use, the gun is flipped back and stored in an upward position. When needed for combat, the GB's operator simply reaches back, grasps the handle and pulls forward."Problem is, the Kevin Long/Siembieda picture is on a rotation joint; which, like a person's shoulder, points down. Kevin Long's other diagrams are on a ball joint, which would suggest the gun arcs up, swivels forward then rotates down. It's better, but there's no way a ball-joint + swivel would be able to handle a rail gun! A more accurate version of the gun (despite the bad animation) would probably be in
Nokia's Promise of Power where, in the video, the cannon is likely track-fed up and over the shoulder - which would probably handle the suspension much better than a simple swivel joint. They had another
version where it simply rotates over the shoulder, but while it faces the right direction, it's way too high over the shoulder making it impossible to get to the handle (especially with the handle being behind the swivel joint).
Basically, in my opinion, it would come down to redesigning the upper half of the GlitterBoy, but with the GB's current design being around for 25 years now, despite being functionally inaccurate, the image itself is iconic. So redesigning the suit would upset a few fans, I'm sure.
I'm sorry, who was that, that drew the under arm Boom Gun? Oh and did you finish that Blind Warrior Woman in the dungeon drawing?
Just teasing I know you have better things to do.
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 1:41 am
by Apollo Okamura
Zer0 Kay wrote:I'm sorry, who was that, that drew the under arm Boom Gun? Oh and did you finish that Blind Warrior Woman in the dungeon drawing?
Just teasing I know you have better things to do.
No prob. I believe the picture you're referring to was drawn by Freddie Williams II in
Rift Chaos Earth.
I think I've had to give up on the Blind Warrior pic. Been so swamped doing the teaching thing, I've barely had a chance to draw much of anything really.
Speaking of which, I should really change my sig... Marvel's
Civil War series ended like 3 years ago!!
Re: Glitter Boy super-gun-rotator-thing?
Posted: Mon Apr 26, 2010 2:47 am
by Zer0 Kay
Apollo Okamura wrote:Zer0 Kay wrote:I'm sorry, who was that, that drew the under arm Boom Gun? Oh and did you finish that Blind Warrior Woman in the dungeon drawing?
Just teasing I know you have better things to do.
No prob. I believe the picture you're referring to was drawn by Freddie Williams II in
Rift Chaos Earth.
I think I've had to give up on the Blind Warrior pic. Been so swamped doing the teaching thing, I've barely had a chance to draw much of anything really.
Speaking of which, I should really change my sig... Marvel's
Civil War series ended like 3 years ago!!
Meh, so how is the teaching gig going? I just got a job with the Evil Empire... good thing they have a sense of humor. The only bad thing is I'm going to have to rearrange my sleeping schedule so I can do Euro time for Microsoft Support. So if MS comms are down in Europe/Africa it'll be me somewhere in the background trying to fix that.
Hopefully I'll catch you at a POH again and just ask you to draw it for me there so I can stop pestering you and have you make a photo copy or something so you can sell them, because I know they'd be popular.