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heinzy57 wrote:I ran into a situation last night in my TMNT game where my players got into a bar fight. They wanted to knock the NPCs they were fighting out or make them run but not kill them. I know there's a mechanic for knockout/stun in the game, but that's a called strike that my players won't receive for several more levels. I couldn't find any rules for dealing non-lethal damamge instead of lethal damage. I felt like putting the NPCs in comas and then calling an ambulance was not the way I wanted to go. If you've dealt with this type of issue in your games before, how have you handled it?

Nekira Sudacne wrote:The problem is in assuming that every person is going to /want/ to fight until their HP and SDC runs out. Frankly, after you beat up on someone for a while, they will surrender/run away if it's clear they're getting the worst of it.

heinzy57 wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:The problem is in assuming that every person is going to /want/ to fight until their HP and SDC runs out. Frankly, after you beat up on someone for a while, they will surrender/run away if it's clear they're getting the worst of it.

This sounds like a great approach. The complicator is that my players are about +20 damage to due extraordinary PSs and have 4 attacks. Against the barfighters, one hit removed almost all SDC, second hit removes about 50% of the HPs, and the third hit drops them below 0 HP. If they're not careful, they can easily kill someone in one round before they really have a chance to run.

The Beast wrote:You could just ignore the rules when the PCs are fighting a bunch of nobodies in a bar, and use the rules when fighting the main bad guys.

Merovingian wrote:If you watch MMA or even boxing and I am have done some boxing training myself, it is very easy to knock someone out. Take there SDC 70 + Hit Points 30 =100 Total, say your plus +20 Str guy punches Joe bar goer and does 30 damage. Sure take it off there sdc but now only has a total of 70 SDC & Hit points have them roll under 70 on d100, if they fail to roll under then they are stunned or KO'd. And then the less SDC and Hit Points they have the less likely they are going to stay up. I understand that Palladium is trying to make it hard to KO or Stun some one but it is not. Especially if it is a trained fighter hitting someone untrained.

Merovingian wrote:If you watch MMA or even boxing and I am have done some boxing training myself, it is very easy to knock someone out. Take there SDC 70 + Hit Points 30 =100 Total, say your plus +20 Str guy punches Joe bar goer and does 30 damage. Sure take it off there sdc but now only has a total of 70 SDC & Hit points have them roll under 70 on d100, if they fail to roll under then they are stunned or KO'd. And then the less SDC and Hit Points they have the less likely they are going to stay up. I understand that Palladium is trying to make it hard to KO or Stun some one but it is not. Especially if it is a trained fighter hitting someone untrained.

Merovingian wrote:Yeah but from what I remember of his question it was not trained fighters, it was regular bar trash. I agree though that yes two trained fighters is harder to KO someone, but there are examples of that in professional boxing, MMA and a couple others. But I guess that would be the equivalent of a critical strike or some such.

Merovingian wrote:5-10 mins....are you sure u are watching boxing. Boxing is three min rounds with a minute interval between rounds. And if you watch the greats they KO'ed alot of people. But again I say this is not pro's verses Pro this is Pro's verses bar trash. I remember when I started training in boxing and actually stepped in the ring with one of the coaches. I had trained for six months 3 times a week and he had been doing for years and had some provincial wins in the minors. I could barely see where, when and how his punches where coming in. So a trained fighter vs an untrained fighter could beat easily knock someone out. That is the whole point of this discussion from what I remember.

UFC is 5 min round I believe and that is more technical fighting then just standing and punching. As I sure you know MMA is just that MMA. Punching, Kicking, Grapples, holds and submissions. A majority of the time is spent on the mat trying to gain full mount position(always kinda thought that was a funny name), so that they can unleash hell on there target.

And a TKO is when the Referee determines that it is to dangerous for one of the competitors to continue, whether it be a cut face or he/she(cause let be truthful there are women fighters) is not cognisant of the face pounding they are receiving. They are usually stumbling around barely able to stand.

I know my fighting, I have fought in bars, rings and just with friends and have wiped out on my mountain bike and knocked myself out. I am very aware of what it takes to knock someone out or what a TKO is also. I would also mention that I do not fight anymore since I grew up and am not such a cool teenager anymore . There are unfortunately lots of vids on Youtube showing non professionals fighting, pro vs non and pro vs pro that demonstrate what I am talking about.

Merovingian wrote: So I am saying that if someone like Mike Tyson or George St Pierre came into the bar you happened to be chillin at and started knockin skulls people would be droppin just from the shock of being hit by someone of that ability.

gaby wrote:Ok Tell me what type of weapons do you think can do the Job?

dragonfett wrote:Taser or Stun Gun. Do they even have stats for those in any of the books?

dragonfett wrote:Huh, I don't ever remember seeing on listed in the original RMB. Do you know what page it was on so that I can take a second look.