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Who would win, a Promethean or a Chi Master!

One of my players pulled a slick one on me as they encountered a Promethean. He swears that a chi blast would vanquish any Promethean and the Chi is NOT like magic or psionics. His arguement got me thinking...
Anyone want to weigh in on this one??
Thanks,

Kovoston wrote:Who would win, a Promethean or a Chi Master!

One of my players pulled a slick one on me as they encountered a Promethean. He swears that a chi blast would vanquish any Promethean and the Chi is NOT like magic or psionics. His argument got me thinking...
Anyone want to weigh in on this one??
Thanks,

(talking about Chi as per N&S and MC)
Base chi is equal to PE. (The base chi is PEx2 if the char is S. Nat.[optional])
Chi powers are not magic.
Chi powers are not Psi powers.
Neg. Chi blasts affect the char's base positive chi. Once a char's base chi is reduced to 0 or is infected with neg. chi, then the char does not heal naturally.
If a char is infected with neg. chi, then a negative chi master can (if they have the right neg. chi power) cause damage to the neg. chi infected char.
The only way to block attacking chi powers is with the mind block psi power.

So if the player's char is a Negative Chi master, and has the ignite neg. chi power, then if the char infects the Promethean with negative chi. the neg. chi master could inflict a lot of damage to the promethean.

[opinion: the Promethean Phase Adept's and Phase Mystic's Magical Resistance might give them the ability to use their own positive chi to block the incoming negative chi as per a chi master's defensive chi power.(N&S page 118 top of 2nd column #3)]

("Chi blast" as a "super"power, as a generic power, or otherwise not following the N&S and MC books.)
Would affect the Promethean as energy weapons and Psi do.

Thanks guys!!

Laux the Ogre wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:The only way to block attacking chi powers is with the mind block psi power.

Every Promethean has Mindblock Autodefense, so...
Chi powers useless? It's been awhile since I read my N&SS.

Rereading the description of MBAD, it would be ineffective because it would not react vs the chi attack.

Otherwise, if your GM rules it does react (e.g.: GM:"... it is a form of mind control..."), it would act like a auto-parry on a nat die rolls. Ether vs a number (e.g.: rolling vs 10) vs an attack roll (e.g.: each char rolling a die with the lower being the loser.)

Laux the Ogre wrote:If MBAD wouldn't work, why would the regular MB work?

Theory: that the MB blocks out the delicate energies that compose what chi is.
However, the MB has to be 'active' to block chi attacks.

Thus, if it is not active, then it would not block chi.
Which is condition, not active, MBAD would be if it did not activate reactively to a chi attack.

Thanks guys for the thread information!

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Laux the Ogre wrote:If MBAD wouldn't work, why would the regular MB work?

Theory: that the MB blocks out the delicate energies that compose what chi is.
However, the MB has to be 'active' to block chi attacks.

Thus, if it is not active, then it would not block chi.
Which is condition, not active, MBAD would be if it did not activate reactively to a chi attack.

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Rider wrote:Of course, if chi is in the game, there's no telling which Prometheans might have some skill in it. Don't all the Phase Adepts know martial arts? They are a long-lived adventuresome race. If Enlightened Immortal is in the realm of non-humans would not be surprised to see some amongst the Second-Stagers.

I do allow this...... I think in Rifts China1, there are dragons, or some CoM that is a Tao Shih
initiate, as well as some Yama kings-SNC!

Rider wrote:snip... Don't all the Phase Adepts know martial arts? ...snip.

The Martial Arts H2H is very different then the Martial Art Forms found in N&S and MC.

Chi attacks work really well in Rifts Earth, especially against enemies that have MDC regeneration per melee: Just get their Chi to 0 or a negative value, and they don't regenerate. Chi also makes dusting vampires exceptionally easy.

FaerieKnight wrote:Plus chi powers can come in handy out of combat too. When your out in the middle of no where, and the party's medic just got blasted down to -2 HP chi healing is very useful to have.

Yeah, the player got extremely lucky. She was sitting up in a tree to avoid melee with the demon-thing. He blasted her with a fireball which toasted the armor, and sent her flying backwards. Fell over the edge of a cliff, and landed in water. Still nearly died though from falling damage.

Should have taken Falling Technique (N&S pg 121)

just dim mak them
Prometheans are sdc right'?

csbioborg wrote:just dim mak them
Prometheans are sdc right'?

If I recall, Dim Mak still requires the person to know the targets anatomy somewhat, so the whole idea of Dim Mak working on a promethean largely depends on what stage said being is in. Once they start getting far enough along their anatomy will obviously start becoming a bit of a fuzzy subject.

Anatomy a bit fuzzy at further stages...? Dude, they're prometheans! They are fuzzy by their very nature. Seriously. I have viewed prometheans as one of those races that would just never be figured out right and proper. Especially considering that they exist in a constant state of phase. How do you perform surgery on something that doesn't fully exist in a constant solid state anyway?

Also considering that 2nd stage prometheans are more like 4th dimensional beings or elementals than they are mortal flesh and blood creatures...

Would I say Dim Mak would just NOT work on them? No. Considering that they still have Chi like any other thing out there. However, they would be hard pressed to succumb to something like the Dim Mak, in my opinion. Just like I don't think normal Atemi attacks would likely work on them in a fashion that they would work on a mortal flesh and blood creature.

In addition, who's to say? Perhaps Dim Mak has an effect on Prometheans but it's different. Maybe it doesn't condemn them to a slow, lingering death. But they are cut off from their phase powers? Including their constant phased state... Who knows?