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Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th?

This sucks....

Regularguy wrote:

Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th?

It gets another one at 9th.

This sucks....

It lets you combine the Arts of Invisibility with Chi Mastery and Zenjoriki powers and Atemi skills -- and it's among the handful of Atemi styles to offer Dim Mak, as the only art offering it while you're struggling to be effective at low levels. For some builds, that's ideal to the point of being irreplaceable; for others, it sucks. What specific change do you have in mind?

Grandil wrote:Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th? This sucks....

Mantisking wrote:

Grandil wrote:Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th? This sucks....

Because you get Dim Mak at first level? In other words, all you need is one attack.

Also, you're using the wrong version. The UNrevised version is better.

Grandil wrote:Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th? This sucks....

Mantisking wrote:Because you get Dim Mak at first level? In other words, all you need is one attack.

Also, you're using the wrong version. The UNrevised version is better.

Nightmask wrote:If you're successful, and landing a successful Dim Mak on an unsuspecting opponent just means that after he's killed you you've the consolation he's going to eventually die anyway. Dim Mak's not an instant kill attack remember, it just means you die a slow (or fast if already low on positive Chi or pushed into the negatives) wasting death as your body can't heal from anything no matter how trivial not even a paper cut. If you need an instant kill in a fight you're out of luck using Dim Mak.

Mantisking wrote:

Grandil wrote:Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th? This sucks....

Mantisking wrote:Because you get Dim Mak at first level? In other words, all you need is one attack.

Also, you're using the wrong version. The UNrevised version is better.

Nightmask wrote:If you're successful, and landing a successful Dim Mak on an unsuspecting opponent just means that after he's killed you you've the consolation he's going to eventually die anyway. Dim Mak's not an instant kill attack remember, it just means you die a slow (or fast if already low on positive Chi or pushed into the negatives) wasting death as your body can't heal from anything no matter how trivial not even a paper cut. If you need an instant kill in a fight you're out of luck using Dim Mak.

"He who fights and runs away, lives to fight another day." Also, why engage in a standup fight when you can just as easily bump someone in a crowd to cover up the usage of Dim Mak? This style should be used as a weapon of terror rather than part of the arsenal of a combat monster.

Nightmask wrote:Well it's not like a PC tends to have the option of never having to engage someone in melee combat (and it's essential for you to make physical contact with a specific form of melee attack to inflict someone with Dim Mak), some GM won't even create scenarios that don't at some point require combat. Plus you can't just bump someone in a crowd, you have to land a specific style of attack on them (one Finger attack I think), so you have to basically be free to poke them and be successful.

Mantisking wrote:

Grandil wrote:Why does Tien Hsueh-touch mastery only get 1 attack for 1st through 15th? This sucks....

Because you get Dim Mak at first level? In other words, all you need is one attack.

Also, you're using the wrong version. The UNrevised version is better.

Grandil wrote:Why is nobody voting?

frogboy wrote:This martial art to me is for a fellow who will sneak up in a crowed and get you. Due to the crowed I played with I banned this martial art because they abused it.

The Beast wrote:

Grandil wrote:Why is nobody voting?

This is why.

Grandil wrote:

The Beast wrote:

Grandil wrote:Why is nobody voting?

This is why.

Sticks & stones, But Whips & Chains excite me

Rider wrote:Touch Mastery is not a martial art that's intended to be a melee brawler style. I believe the description says something about it being isolated to family lines and only 12 people in the world ever knowing it at once, something like that.

It's for villains who generally don't get their hands dirty. You have minions with lots of attacks to do that brawling for you, because if they don't, you'll activate the negative chi you put into their family members.

Rider wrote:

Nightmask wrote:Not totally isolated to family lines

I know it's not an absolute rule, that's just how it tends to be. Someone who taught non-family would be deviating from tradition, and isn't it something like they want to artificially limit how many people who know the art, and they might kill those who go over that number?

Rider wrote:

Nightmask wrote:you get the impression that there really are more who are masters than just a dozen (the Commando Mercenary if memory serves can select Touch Mastery and he's hardly going to be a member of such an isolationist family to have been a military man in the first place).

Eh you never know, maybe it's from one of those families who sends their kids out into the worlds to toughen them off. Like Heihachi throwing Kazuya off the cliff.

Rider wrote:

Nightmask wrote:It just means you aren't going to be an active front-line fighter and you have to reject your most powerful attacks if you don't want to fall back into the evil you've rejected.

I imagine with their knowledge of biology, the Tien Hsueh would make an excellent doctor.