If any single group could control Rifts Earth...

[Dr Megaverse]

...would it be plausible to control rifts from randomly opening and closing using a TW device which detects rifts and then closes them? There is a Temporal Wizard version of Close Rift which doesn't require the PPE expenditure and there is another Temporal spell which can detect when a rift opens. So let's say, the GeoFront manages to gain control of China, successfully expel evil creatures, not necessarily D Bees, and uses such a device to secure all nexus points them come across. If they managed to find and "contain" the majority of Rifts do you think it would be manageable? Certain rifts which can't be closed, St. Louis et al, come to mind, but they can be managed in their own way. Just curious....what do you think?

[Kovoston]

Hard to say - too many factions in the world...

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[Genhuman]

That was done to a limited extent with the True Atlanteans and their Pyramid magics. The Pyramids keep any random rifts from opening and control the flow of mystic energies along connection ley lines. The only real issue with your suggestion is no force in the world has enough power to dominate it. Even the Splugorth who are arguably the most powerful force on the planet couldn't take over the whole world, and if THEY did they certainly wouldn't mind control all the rifts but they wouldn't stop them, if anything they'd make more. Now in the case of the coalition, if they happened to develop like a Ultra Damage Capacity (U.D.C.) technology that acted to MDC the way MDC does to SDC (where 100 points of SDC must be used in one shot to do a single point of damage, and 199 SDC still only does 1 point of damage) and they outfitted a couple companies with the tech and systematically took over the world, well even then, they wouldn't really have the tech or knowledge to control rifts. None of the major powers in the world that i'm familiar with who COULD possibly take over everything, would want to or be able to if they chose to, close or stop all the rifts on the planet to prevent further incursions. And on top of that, even if they could control every ley line and nexus point and stop all random rifts there's really no way they could stop every demon AI or magic user who chose to open a rift and come in by himself. Its a good final goal for humans to retake the earth, but I don't think it would ever be likely to happen.

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For anyone who chooses to comment on my suggestion of U.D.C let me point out that there have been references made that there are certain gods/AI as well as the old ones who couldn't be harmed by conventional means and even MDC was hardly sufficient to damage them in any significant way, leading to the possibility of there being something beyond MDC as we know it, even if it would be extremely rare and unlikely to be developed by even the most advanced races in the galaxies, but hey sudden leaps in technology are bound to happen, especially when necessity dictates a need for them.

Agreed except the UDC stuff which I dont care to comment on lol

Especially since it was so adiquately covered in rifter #9.5

[Grell]

The key to controlling Rifts Earth is to shut down the ley lines/rifts and so far the only faction doing anything towards that end is the CS RCSG. Until anyone with greater knowledge in such things steps up, the CS is our best bet for now.

Someone needs to find the Atlantean elders who created the super rift and have them recreate the event, that would shake things up a bit!

[Shark_Force]

The key to controlling Rifts Earth is to shut down the ley lines/rifts and so far the only faction doing anything towards that end is the CS RCSG. Until anyone with greater knowledge in such things steps up, the CS is our best bet for now.

Someone needs to find the Atlantean elders who created the super rift and have them recreate the event, that would shake things up a bit!

eh, well there's also that other group that had successfully created a device to harness the rifts. where was that again? oh, right... tolkeen. the nation that the CS brutally crushed (in canon) just for existing. yeah, i'm pretty sure they had something that could keep the rifts from constantly spawning demons, devils, etc.

also, to whoever said splynncryth wouldn't be interested in preventing random rifts... perhaps you haven't noticed that in atlantis pretty much everything that can have a pyramid usefully built on it, has a pyramid built on it. and that from the perspective of generating PPE to use in rituals etc, pyramids are a steaming pile of fecal matter... the only actual usefulness from them being the fact that they prevent ley line storms, random rifts, and providing a convenient beacon for dimensional teleports.

if splynncryth controlled the entire planet, it is entirely likely that every ley line that isn't on the ocean (and possibly even those) would have a pyramid controlling it. just because splynncryth wants people to be able to visit deliberately doesn't mean he wants random rifts dumping all kinds of monsters and demons in to disrupt his marketplace. there's a big difference between the slave trader who shows up with a million credits in precious gems looking to buy a few t-men and an angry, confused animal-intelligence supernatural predator that just wants to kill a few t-men without contributing anything to the economy at all.

just like if we had teleportation technology today, we might welcome many visitors who come for legitimate reasons like trade, tourism, etc, but wouldn't much appreciate the experience if it meant random rabid wild animals were to teleport into our homes also.

[Grell]

eh, well there's also that other group that had successfully created a device to harness the rifts. where was that again? oh, right... tolkeen. the nation that the CS brutally crushed (in canon) just for existing. yeah, i'm pretty sure they had something that could keep the rifts from constantly spawning demons, devils, etc.

I'm suggesting shutting down the ley lines (or seriously diminishing them) for good as opposed to harnessing them as the key to controlling Rifts Earth. The CS was acting true to form by decimating whatever magical means Tolkien had at their disposal since it's no good to them anyhow; the RCSG is pursuing purely technological means to handle the ley line problem. Sure, there are a legion of other powers more suited to the task, but that would diminish their power base and they'd be more content to harness those energies for as long as possible.

[Dr Megaverse]

eh, well there's also that other group that had successfully created a device to harness the rifts. where was that again? oh, right... tolkeen. the nation that the CS brutally crushed (in canon) just for existing. yeah, i'm pretty sure they had something that could keep the rifts from constantly spawning demons, devils, etc.

I'm suggesting shutting down the ley lines (or seriously diminishing them) for good as opposed to harnessing them as the key to controlling Rifts Earth.

This was in the spirit of the idea behind the TW device I described. Designed to instantly and permanently control rifts from randomly opening. Forgot to add that invisibility wouldn't be a terrible add-on for such a device as it's sitting on a ley-line. Granted there is a planet in the Three Galaxies that a group of Atlanteans managed to tame before the rifts tore the planet apart, which sounds like a fairly major rift occurrence i.e. Rifts Earth.

[Lenwen]

...would it be plausible to control rifts from randomly opening and closing using a TW device which detects rifts and then closes them?

Not only is it plausible .. but its been done threw other means threw out the megavers's history ..

There is a Temporal Wizard version of Close Rift which doesn't require the PPE expenditure and there is another Temporal spell which can detect when a rift opens. So let's say, the GeoFront manages to gain control of China, successfully expel evil creatures, not necessarily D Bees, and uses such a device to secure all nexus points them come across. If they managed to find and "contain" the majority of Rifts do you think it would be manageable? Certain rifts which can't be closed, St. Louis et al, come to mind, but they can be managed in their own way. Just curious....what do you think?

Yes it is very plausible.

However the hard part is not the coming up with the actual stratagy .. but rather the actual implementation of the actual plan .. Even if they had all the items (machines) needed to stop the activity .. they would still need the military force to implement it over a vast area they would have to conquor (sp?) for all intents an pourposes ..

Geo-Front has thee single largest human military force on Rifts earth (iirc..) And even they would not be able to do that with out taking absolutely huge losses to the point that they would not be able to hold what they took .. even with the machines stopping all rift activities ..