Welcome to the Megaverse® of Palladium Books®
https://mail.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/
https://mail.palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=134970
gaby wrote:Tell me What is your Favorite Dargons and Why they are your favorite?
Abberant / Lawful ebil all the way; makes for great NPC. 
Tor wrote:That power has cool flavour text but tactically it seems like a ridiculous risk. I don't think I'd ever want to use it as a dragon. I'm not even talking about the whole mental instability thing: you create an easily destoyable lesser version of yourself which will permanently weaken you if it dies? What's the point?
If I am an ancient dragon with... let's say 4000 MDC. What's more tactically sound: send out a 1000 MDC shadow dragon who gets blown up and I'm at 3000 MDC forever, or go out and fight myself, lose 2000 MDC and then fly back home and heal to my full strength.
Nekira Sudacne wrote:Tor wrote:That power has cool flavour text but tactically it seems like a ridiculous risk. I don't think I'd ever want to use it as a dragon. I'm not even talking about the whole mental instability thing: you create an easily destoyable lesser version of yourself which will permanently weaken you if it dies? What's the point?
If I am an ancient dragon with... let's say 4000 MDC. What's more tactically sound: send out a 1000 MDC shadow dragon who gets blown up and I'm at 3000 MDC forever, or go out and fight myself, lose 2000 MDC and then fly back home and heal to my full strength.
The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home.
One heavy artillery shell can deal 3d6*10 MD to a very wide area. a barrage can throw hundreds of shells per second. you do the math. They were used aginst the only army in north america who DO have artillery batteries able to get those kinds of results, and the dragon kings had to calculate accordingly.
All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.
Killer Cyborg wrote:Medium Rare.
Killer Cyborg wrote:Medium Rare.
Nice.Glistam wrote:I favor the underdog - the Forest Runner dragon hatchling is my choice.
In situations with that kinda risk they shouldn't be flying about in EITHER form, get some expendable minion to do it =/Nekira Sudacne wrote:The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home. All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.
Glistam wrote:I favor the underdog - the Forest Runner dragon hatchling is my choice.
Akashic Soldier wrote:my favorite Dragon would have to be the Castle Builders. My only complaint with them is that they have a long serpentine bod
Tor wrote:In situations with that kinda risk they shouldn't be flying about in EITHER form, get some expendable minion to do it =/Nekira Sudacne wrote:The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home. All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.
Tor wrote:The CS probably won't randomly launch 10 nuclear missles at a non-target place on the ground, so if a dragon morphed into a rabbit and hopped through a forest trail he could get around pretty easily.
Honestly the idea that any self-preserving dragon would be in his dragon form at ALL when there's such missles zooming around is silly. You'd want to stay in small forms, spread out, etc. I don't recall if shadow dragons can even metamorph.
Nekira Sudacne wrote:Tor wrote:The CS probably won't randomly launch 10 nuclear missles at a non-target place on the ground, so if a dragon morphed into a rabbit and hopped through a forest trail he could get around pretty easily.
Honestly the idea that any self-preserving dragon would be in his dragon form at ALL when there's such missles zooming around is silly. You'd want to stay in small forms, spread out, etc. I don't recall if shadow dragons can even metamorph.
I'm sorry where did you get I was talking about nuclear missiles? I'm talking about regular, unguided artillery shells.
And while the question of "Why do dragons ever fight in full dragon form" is a question the game never really answers, cannonically they like to do it a lot regardless of how tactically unsound it is.
Hm okay, am mostly familiar with missles, even so I think the point stands that the CS won't randomly concentrate fire on areas unless they think there's a target worth hitting there, to conserve ammunition and stuff.Nekira Sudacne wrote:I'm talking about regular, unguided artillery shells.
I'd expect this of hatchlings and impulsive arrogant dragons, but presumably Freehold founders are experienced enough to know the dangers of being a huge target that humans wanna kill, and the advantages of moving about and fighting as rabbits.Nekira Sudacne wrote:And while the question of "Why do dragons ever fight in full dragon form" is a question the game never really answers, cannonically they like to do it a lot regardless of how tactically unsound it is.
Tor wrote:Hm okay, am mostly familiar with missles, even so I think the point stands that the CS won't randomly concentrate fire on areas unless they think there's a target worth hitting there, to conserve ammunition and stuff.Nekira Sudacne wrote:I'm talking about regular, unguided artillery shells.
I'd expect this of hatchlings and impulsive arrogant dragons, but presumably Freehold founders are experienced enough to know the dangers of being a huge target that humans wanna kill, and the advantages of moving about and fighting as rabbits.Nekira Sudacne wrote:And while the question of "Why do dragons ever fight in full dragon form" is a question the game never really answers, cannonically they like to do it a lot regardless of how tactically unsound it is.
Not to mention adult dragons can teleport around pretty easily if they want to leave shelter =/
I expect the CS to be smart and target dragons, I just don't get why dragons would make themselves so targetable. Hopping down the bunny trail's a horrible artillery target to scout out.Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why you should argue for dragons to play "smart" and not the CS is beyond me. this is exactly what light artillery is designed to deal with.
I can only think this is a result of insanity and mental instability. Perhaps this is a result of prolonged use of shadow dragons.Nekira Sudacne wrote:you'd think so, but according to SoT, they don't.Not to mention adult dragons can teleport around pretty easily if they want to leave shelter =/
Tor wrote:I expect the CS to be smart and target dragons, I just don't get why dragons would make themselves so targetable. Hopping down the bunny trail's a horrible artillery target to scout out.Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why you should argue for dragons to play "smart" and not the CS is beyond me. this is exactly what light artillery is designed to deal with.I can only think this is a result of insanity and mental instability. Perhaps this is a result of prolonged use of shadow dragons.Nekira Sudacne wrote:you'd think so, but according to SoT, they don't.Not to mention adult dragons can teleport around pretty easily if they want to leave shelter =/
All the more reason that Tolkeen's Freehold is a threat that must be eliminated, justifying the CS' motives.
Tor wrote:I expect the CS to be smart and target dragons, I just don't get why dragons would make themselves so targetable. Hopping down the bunny trail's a horrible artillery target to scout out.Nekira Sudacne wrote:Why you should argue for dragons to play "smart" and not the CS is beyond me. this is exactly what light artillery is designed to deal with.I can only think this is a result of insanity and mental instability. Perhaps this is a result of prolonged use of shadow dragons.Nekira Sudacne wrote:you'd think so, but according to SoT, they don't.Not to mention adult dragons can teleport around pretty easily if they want to leave shelter =/
All the more reason that Tolkeen's Freehold is a threat that must be eliminated, justifying the CS' motives.
Tor wrote:In situations with that kinda risk they shouldn't be flying about in EITHER form, get some expendable minion to do it =/Nekira Sudacne wrote:The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home. All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.Glistam wrote:I favor the underdog - the Forest Runner dragon hatchling is my choice.Akashic Soldier wrote:my favorite Dragon would have to be the Castle Builders. My only complaint with them is that they have a long serpentine bod
I'm wearing my Rifts classes, are these new dragons in PF? Why they no include them in D&G?
kaid wrote:Tor wrote:In situations with that kinda risk they shouldn't be flying about in EITHER form, get some expendable minion to do it =/Nekira Sudacne wrote:The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home. All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.Glistam wrote:I favor the underdog - the Forest Runner dragon hatchling is my choice.Akashic Soldier wrote:my favorite Dragon would have to be the Castle Builders. My only complaint with them is that they have a long serpentine bod
I'm wearing my Rifts classes, are these new dragons in PF? Why they no include them in D&G?
The thing to remember about dragons especially adults is while artillery could in theory kill it is very very difficult to do especially with something like artillery. For an Adult dragon you are talking about a being with thousands of MDC with the ability teleport very long distances in the blink of an eye with high degrees of accuracy. Given that why not fly around in dragon from if something actually seems like it may be a threat teleport away any damage that was done unless it was done with U rounds will heal up in a trivial amount of time. That which does not kill a dragon outright is a mild annoyance.
Nekira Sudacne wrote:kaid wrote:Tor wrote:In situations with that kinda risk they shouldn't be flying about in EITHER form, get some expendable minion to do it =/Nekira Sudacne wrote:The obvious tradeoff is you only use them in situations where it may be you lose 4000 MDC before you can retreat back home. All it takes is for intel on where the artillery division is to be wrong and even the toughest beings get blown up.Glistam wrote:I favor the underdog - the Forest Runner dragon hatchling is my choice.Akashic Soldier wrote:my favorite Dragon would have to be the Castle Builders. My only complaint with them is that they have a long serpentine bod
I'm wearing my Rifts classes, are these new dragons in PF? Why they no include them in D&G?
The thing to remember about dragons especially adults is while artillery could in theory kill it is very very difficult to do especially with something like artillery. For an Adult dragon you are talking about a being with thousands of MDC with the ability teleport very long distances in the blink of an eye with high degrees of accuracy. Given that why not fly around in dragon from if something actually seems like it may be a threat teleport away any damage that was done unless it was done with U rounds will heal up in a trivial amount of time. That which does not kill a dragon outright is a mild annoyance.
I never forgot, my point is that Dragons as written simply don't seem to bother learning even rudimentary tactics.
You think eliminating dragons who are doomed to become evil by relying on Shadow Dragons isn't a good thing for the earth in the long run? There's enough evil dragons as it is.Nightmask wrote:you know there is simply no justifying what the CS did.
If by pity you mean a quick death vs a slow torturous one...Tor wrote:You think eliminating dragons who are doomed to become evil by relying on Shadow Dragons isn't a good thing for the earth in the long run? There's enough evil dragons as it is.Nightmask wrote:you know there is simply no justifying what the CS did.
Being that adult dragons can all dimensionally teleport, if they're on earth, it's because they choose to be here, making them invaders.
The CS will take pity on D-bees transported against their will, ones who aren't evil mages with the power to leave, the power to destroy earth once more. Like dog-boys they are free to work for the CS, but being that they are not as trusted (due to being less proven) they cannot serve military roles like dog boys and must instead serve as labourers under close human observation.
Tor wrote:Nightmask wrote:you know there is simply no justifying what the CS did.
You think eliminating dragons who are doomed to become evil by relying on Shadow Dragons isn't a good thing for the earth in the long run? There's enough evil dragons as it is.
Being that adult dragons can all dimensionally teleport, if they're on earth, it's because they choose to be here, making them invaders.
The CS will take pity on D-bees transported against their will, ones who aren't evil mages with the power to leave, the power to destroy earth once more. Like dog-boys they are free to work for the CS, but being that they are not as trusted (due to being less proven) they cannot serve military roles like dog boys and must instead serve as labourers under close human observation.
Ah, but isn't all mortal life a slow torturous death?Damian Magecraft wrote:If by pity you mean a quick death vs a slow torturous one...
Why were the Tolkeenites sheltering evil dragons?Nightmask wrote:Whether or not the dragons were doomed to become evil is irrelevant, it wasn't the dragons that the CS was after it was EVERYONE in Tolkeen, from adult to infant in the crib, with the sole desire to kill them.
I expect the CS was just probing their defenses and trying to exhaust their forcefields (the RCSG probably knew aaaalll about it).Nightmask wrote:They did not launch nukes at the lairs of said dragons they launched them at the heart of the populated citystate of Tolkeen where the majority of people were humans and many of them non-magik using. It was purely a 'you are not us therefor that entitles us to kill you and take all that you own for ourselves' situation.
I don't agree, where does it say that the CS will by default kill every single d-bee? Those who don't use magic can be pitied (even if they must be dominated/exported/enslaved for human safety) as they didn't come voluntarily. Magic using humans can be pitied for being misguided. Where is the potential for members of the CS feeling pity and empathy for their enemies denied? Perhaps the violence the CS uses is a harsh but necessary-seeming choice.Nightmask wrote:Also again you clearly aren't reading the books. The CS has no pity or compassion for D-bees, does not care if they or their ancestors were transported to Earth and had lived there for thousands of years, does not care if they or a magic user is good or evil because their indoctrination process makes it clear that ALL D-bees and magic users are to be considered evil monsters to kill without remorse or concern for whether or not they might be good.
So? Magic is unstable and brought about the Rifts. This is the gosh-darned truth.Nightmask wrote:ALL citizens are taught to believe that any d-bee or magic user that looks good is only engaging in some convoluted ruse and will eventually kill them in some horrific fashion.
I doubt ALL citizens do. Random quackbots are no danger. It's moreso those that show the ability to influence other's opinions and cause trouble with their lies.Nightmask wrote:Citizens that disagree where the secret police find out quickly get 'reeducted' or disappear into a cell or grave somewhere never to be mentioned again by those who knew them lest they get the same treatment.
True, let's steer it back.Nightmask wrote:EDIT: glancing at things again this isn't even the thread for that kind of discussion, it completely goes off track regarding favorite dragons.
Am guessing Japan or China?The Galactus Kid wrote:Skikome Kido Mi
