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DSKauai wrote:snip...

it's considered Psychic fire, with Psionics and ISP being distinct but related to Magic.

Is there canon a reference for this?

say652 wrote:i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

say652 wrote:i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Umm, Invunerability renders one immune to magical energy attacks, fire specifically included. so none of a bursters psionics would hurt an invunerable character, weather they are psionic attacks or not.

I see a lot of people miss it, but it's there, the same paragraph that says invunerable characters are vunerable to magic attacks specify that magic energy is not included and they still take no damage from fireballs.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

say652 wrote:i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Umm, Invunerability renders one immune to magical energy attacks, fire specifically included. so none of a bursters psionics would hurt an invunerable character, weather they are psionic attacks or not.

I see a lot of people miss it, but it's there, the same paragraph that says invunerable characters are vunerable to magic attacks specify that magic energy is not included and they still take no damage from fireballs.

jester_79 wrote:Question. What does heroes unlimited have to do with invulnerability? its a bestowed power by a god, yes. But it is not the power of invulnerability itself is it? They are immune to regular fire, so any psionicly fueled flame that is still doing SDC damage shouldn't hurt them. They are minor MDC creatures now. So as long as the flames can do MD damage, they are vulnerable to them? That's just how I interpret the power, abilities, and the question posed.

say652 wrote:hence why i ruled spending 6isp on a 2d6md blast WILL harm an invulnerable character.

say652 wrote:um NO. it is listed under the power it offers no protection vs PSIONICS OR MAGIC both inflict full damage.

say652 wrote:i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

say652 wrote:hence why i ruled spending 6isp on a 2d6md blast WILL harm an invulnerable character.

Ummm

say652 wrote:um NO. it is listed under the power it offers no protection vs PSIONICS OR MAGIC both inflict full damage.

You just claimed that the power says it offers no protection aginst magic fire. Hence my pointing out it did. also

say652 wrote:i house ruled it that the SDC damage is "normal" fire but the MD blasts are psionic fire. i house ruled this for a burster in heroes unlimited, that way they can damage invulnerable characters but not at 6d6sdc for 2isp. according to the original RCC write up all burster powers are considered psionic in nature i toned them down to level the playing field.

You clearly idnicates here was that your houserule was that only the MD fire blasts are magic and this "toned the bursters down". if you were houseruling that they could harm invunerable characters, that would be beefing them up, not toning them down.
in hu anywho i needed to rationilize spending 6 isp for a 2d6 sdc blast.......... hey how about this........this blast harms invulnerable characters, yea thats it.

That, or you just mangled the wording.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Try reading the full paragraph. emphasis mine.

"The character is only, truly, vulnerable to psionics, spell magic, magic illusions and magic weapons, all of which have full effect. However, energy type magic, like fire balls, does no damage"

Page 278 Heroes Unlimited second edition. seriously. always been there

dragonfett wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Try reading the full paragraph. emphasis mine.

"The character is only, truly, vulnerable to psionics, spell magic, magic illusions and magic weapons, all of which have full effect. However, energy type magic, like fire balls, does no damage"

Page 278 Heroes Unlimited second edition. seriously. always been there

This still has nothing to do with the Burster because the Burster's fire is NOT MAGIC!!! Seriously! It is Psionic!

say652 wrote:sdc fires are "normal"fires i.e. cannot harm mdc materials. by spending triple the isp cost you can now harm mdc materials at 2d6 md increments.