Quick FAQ: M203

[KillWatch]

What is the damage? modern weapons says 1d6x100. Actual missile launchers do similar damages, or less. Is this a typo?

[The Jack]

Ninjas & Superspies has the damage at 1d4x100, which is in line with the other heavy weapons listed (e.g. LAW is 1d6x100 and Recoilless Rifle is 1d10x100).

I would have thought it was a typo, too.

[KillWatch]

but we aren't talking about a shoulder fired weapon, its the underside of a rifle. it does nearly as much as a missile,... I will go with it. Some con player is going to be very happy, and something is going to go kablooy

[Killer Cyborg]

The Compendium of Modern Weapons is NOT directly compatible with the rest of Palladium, in that the damages listed in that book are almost always different from the damages for the same weapons as listed in any of Palladium's actual games.
The N&S number would be more official. Likewise, I believe that the damage listed in the original Rifts Book was also 1d4x100 SDC.
But this seems to have been due to an over-estimation of the weapon's damage.

RUE 329 lists the damage at a more reasonably 1d6x10 SDC to a 10' radius.

[jaymz]

HU GM Guide says the Damage for a Rifle Mounted M79 40mm Grenade launcher (which I would think is pretty much the equivalent of the M203) is 2d4x10sd. That is likely the most up to date book with SD weapons in it that is also for a game and not a reference book.

Edit - Personally I replace all the info in my games with that of the Compendium but that is a personal preference thing.

[jaymz]

but we aren't talking about a shoulder fired weapon, its the underside of a rifle. it does nearly as much as a missile,... I will go with it. Some con player is going to be very happy, and something is going to go kablooy

The Rifle mounted launcher fires the same grenades as the should fired model last I checked. I could be wrong though.

[KillWatch]

yes but I am talking missiles, like from a launcher, 2d4x100. But I am ok with that. But it kind of devalues the missiles

[jaymz]

yes but I am talking missiles, like from a launcher, 2d4x100. But I am ok with that. But it kind of devalues the missiles

Well think of it as the missile have SIGNIFICANTLY longer range....

[KillWatch]

true, but there seems to be a x100 ceiling. Why not x1000 or so? Is there any precedent for it?

[jaymz]

Ok I think you lost me now...

[KillWatch]

I mean that I haven't seen a weapon that has a x1000 multiplier. The biggest weapon I have seen in an SDC setting (see exluding the Macross Cannon) was sams and a few others that do 2d4x100

[The Beast]

The Compendium of Modern Weapons is NOT directly compatible with the rest of Palladium, in that the damages listed in that book are almost always different from the damages for the same weapons as listed in any of Palladium's actual games.
The N&S number would be more official. Likewise, I believe that the damage listed in the original Rifts Book was also 1d4x100 SDC.
But this seems to have been due to an over-estimation of the weapon's damage.

RUE 329 lists the damage at a more reasonably 1d6x10 SDC to a 10' radius.

IMO, the damages listed in the CoMW are more realistic than when listed in other books. Game-wise though you're probably better off using the other books.

[jaymz]

I mean that I haven't seen a weapon that has a x1000 multiplier. The biggest weapon I have seen in an SDC setting (see exluding the Macross Cannon) was sams and a few others that do 2d4x100

Ah ok. I think Rifts underseas actually had sdc weapons that did x1000 for the larger generic combat naval vessels...

[SpiritInterface]

The 40mm grenade of the M79/M203 has the same size warhead as a Mini-Missle or LAW. The advantage that Missiles have over grenade launchers is range and the ability to volley fire them.

[KillWatch]

really? I am going to have to look into that.

and about that volley thing,....

A hardware with a mock up of the jackhammer,... is just a bad time

[ArmySGT.]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

[The Beast]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

Too high or too low?

[ArmySGT.]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

Too high or too low?

Much to high for the 40mm, it contains not even a quarter the explosive payload the LAWS carries.

[SpiritInterface]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

the m72 LAWS rocket itself weighs 2.2 pounds so at most the warhead weighs 5-6 oz in a shaped charge. Where as the m433 projectile weighs .5 pounds so the warhead weighs 3-4oz.

Since explosives do not have geometric effect having twice much doesn't mean that it does twice as much damage. The main advantage the LAWS has is that it uses an anti-armor shaped charge so it has a smaller blast area over a 40mm HEDP but has a better AR penetration.

If you want to go the hyper technical route just go with the Compendium of Modern Weapons.

[SpiritInterface]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

Too high or too low?

Much to high for the 40mm, it contains not even a quarter the explosive payload the LAWS carries.

Not according to Janes Infantry Weapons 2005.

[Jefffar]

I love how we can quote such wildly different stats for the same item and all be right by the books.

The actual payload of a 40mm Grenade Launcher is not much bigger than a golfball. The rest of the grenade is taken up by the fuse. There is no way this should have a x100 modifier. The grenade is slightly less potent than a hand grenade in fact. So I'd go with the 1D6x10 version myself.

[ArmySGT.]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

Too high or too low?

Much to high for the 40mm, it contains not even a quarter the explosive payload the LAWS carries.

Not according to Janes Infantry Weapons 2005.

A citation without facts...... An original approach.

Do see how it was getting anywhere.

[Jefffar]

Let's try some facts then.

According to this data sheet: a 40mm M433 High-explosive dual purpose (HEDP) grenade that may be fired from an M203 grenade launcher has 45 grams of explosive. That's about 1.6 ounces.

According to the Military Analysis Network: M67 Fragmentation Hand Grenade has 6.5 ounces of explosive, so about 4 times as much explosive as a the 40mm.

Haven't found the warhead weight for an M72 LAW yet.

[Jefffar]

There are proposed grenade launchers that actually use their barrel as a magazine. Empty barrels can be un-clipped form the weapon and replaced. Metal Storm is the leader in such designs.

[jaymz]

@Jefffar - HU GM Guide would agree with you J. The 40mm GL in that book does 2d4x10

[ArmySGT.]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

the m72 LAWS rocket itself weighs 2.2 pounds so at most the warhead weighs 5-6 oz in a shaped charge. Where as the m433 projectile weighs .5 pounds so the warhead weighs 3-4oz.

Since explosives do not have geometric effect having twice much doesn't mean that it does twice as much damage. The main advantage the LAWS has is that it uses an anti-armor shaped charge so it has a smaller blast area over a 40mm HEDP but has a better AR penetration.

If you want to go the hyper technical route just go with the Compendium of Modern Weapons.

HEDP stands for High Explosive Dual purpose. That means it has an area fragmentation effect for anti personnel AND due to the shaped charge warhead a very light Anti-Armor or Anti-Bunker capability with a penetration of approximately 2 inches at 90 degrees into rolled homogenous steel.

[SpiritInterface]

The M203 fires 40mm grenades with a maximum range of 400m and max effective range of 350, with an minimum arming distance of 17 meters.

It is the equivalent of a M26 or M67 handgrenade. The fragmentation radius is approximately 5 meters (5x3=15 feet).
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/40.htm

Most common munition issued to troops is the High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m433.htm

The Light Anti-Armor Weapon System (LAWS) is a 66mm, disposable, one shot, shoulder fired weapon, that is obsolete against Main Battle Tanks, and even some Infantry Fighting Vehicles.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m72.htm

Essentially what I am saying is the damage is wayyyyyyyyyyy off. The amount of explosive in each is no where near close.

The 40mm HEDP round complete is half a pound, so give it a 4-6 oz of explosive. The 66mm LAWS on the other hand is a little more than two pounds for just the rocket without the launcher, thus giving it an explosive payload of atleast a pound, more probably.

Too high or too low?

Much to high for the 40mm, it contains not even a quarter the explosive payload the LAWS carries.

Not according to Janes Infantry Weapons 2005.

A citation without facts...... An original approach.

Do see how it was getting anywhere.

As I stated, the m72 LAWS rocket itself weighs 2.2 pounds which includes the rocket body, pop out fins, rocket motor, shaped charge reflector plate and fused nosecone so at most the warhead weighs 5-6 oz in a shaped charge.

Where as the m433 projectile weighs .5 pounds which includes a thin metal body and fuse so the warhead weighs 3-4oz.

Comparing an Anti-tank rocket with its much smaller blast radius to an anti-personal grenade is a little foolish.

As I also said is unless you are going to use the compendium of modern weapons, or some other system that gets into very detailed breakdowns like caliber, bullet weight, and muzzle velocity, getting nit picky over the books making generalizations is a waste of time.

[Jefffar]

spiritInterface, scroll up, a 40mm HEDP grenade has 1.6 oz of explosives

[jaymz]

Standard 40mm HEDP grenade should be treated roughly as a hand grenade with better range. This should NOT be treated like an antitank weapon.

This is truth...IMHO having used both.

Do they not have Anti-armour type rounds the can use though?

Also remember most people do not have experience in using the real thing and can only go by what they see on TV.

[jaymz]

Would it be possible to create such rounds?

[ArmySGT.]

As I stated, the m72 LAWS rocket itself weighs 2.2 pounds which includes the rocket body, pop out fins, rocket motor, shaped charge reflector plate and fused nosecone so at most the warhead weighs 5-6 oz in a shaped charge.

Where as the m433 projectile weighs .5 pounds which includes a thin metal body and fuse so the warhead weighs 3-4oz.

Comparing an Anti-tank rocket with its much smaller blast radius to an anti-personal grenade is a little foolish.

As I also said is unless you are going to use the compendium of modern weapons, or some other system that gets into very detailed breakdowns like caliber, bullet weight, and muzzle velocity, getting nit picky over the books making generalizations is a waste of time.

So you guess? This is how you arrive at a 40mm HEDP round is the same in effect as a 66mm M72 LAW??

Really. Sitting in front of a computer..... A world wide source for information, one that if you ask the right questions, then verify those answers against multiple sources, will provide the data requested.

Instead your reaching in up to your elbow and pulling an answer out of your butt.

Since when has the "Compendium of Modern Weapons" been anything but speculative fiction? When did a game supplement written by RPG hobbyists become a definitive source on modern or any other era military hardware?

The internal volume of both contains EMPTY space. This is a necessity as both the 40mm HEDP and the M72 LAW are SHAPE CHARGED warheads...........

This picture is of the much older M72--- The M72 is now up to M72A10 with the M72A6/A7 being what is fielded.
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... /M72_1.gif

The 40mm HEDP is an Anti Armor round, just not an Anti-Tank round.... It is intended for engaging the top, rear, and side armor of lightly armored vehicles, such as the BTR series. Its other purpose is (remember dual purpose) is as an anti personnel fragmenting round.

So does that handy "Janes Defense -Guide to Infantry Weapons-2005" have a figure for warhead weight (i.e. explosive charge weight) or only the weight of the warhead without propellant charge?

Every source so far has cited the same source for the M72 Law. Field Manual (FM) 3.23.25

I will have the warhead data as soon as I locate the appropriate EOD manual that will have weight and explosive type.

[Neo]

I'm am trained in UXO disposal, and an M203 round is no where close to an anti-tank weapon. Now I dont have the actual publication with me, so my answers might be a little off.

From what I can remember the dual purpose referred to the method if initiation. When you fire the round and it exits the launcher it spins. It is then armed by the centrifugal force, once armed an internal timed fuse starts counting down. The round then explodes one of two ways, impact (fusing is like a HESH round) or the timed fuse. Hence dual purpose fuse. The same type of fuse is used in most mortar rounds, but the timed aspect is initiated by inertia and not the spinning of the warhead/fuse.

An M203 round is NOT a shaped charge (again it's built like a HESH), it is filled wit PETN which is the same kind of explosive that is found in the M67 fragmentation grenade. The reason there is less explosive is because the M203 round does not have a steel fragmentation casing. The M203 is a HE (High Explosive) round, not a Frag round although it does create secondary fragmentation.

You can have many different types of rounds I have see smoke rounds, starburst rounds and have even heard of smart rounds. However to have an M203 HEAT round would be foolish, the amount of penetration you could get would not be enough to make it effective. This is why no one uses HEAT hand grenades anymore.

[Jefffar]

Would it be possible to create such rounds?

The HEDP is essentially a HEAT round with a small fragmentation sleve around it already. It can penetrate enough armour to wreck an APC, but it really can't do more. A deadicated 40mm HEAT would only do slightly better, perhaps enough to threaten IFVs if it hits a weak point.

Incidentally, the 66mm M72 LAW doesn't have the power to get through a modern tank either (mercenaries using them in the Angolan Civil War reported difficulties killing WWII era T-34 tanks with them!). Generally the minimum you want on a weapon to kill a tank is about 80 - 90mm with some anti-tank rockets and missiles being 120 and even 150mm in caliber.

[Neo]

This is why having the pubs helps, Supreme is right. HEDP does look like a HEAT round, I still dont know why anyone would use one since it would be very ineffective.

[jaymz]

Would it be possible to create such rounds?

The HEDP is essentially a HEAT round with a small fragmentation sleve around it already. It can penetrate enough armour to wreck an APC, but it really can't do more. A deadicated 40mm HEAT would only do slightly better, perhaps enough to threaten IFVs if it hits a weak point.

Incidentally, the 66mm M72 LAW doesn't have the power to get through a modern tank either (mercenaries using them in the Angolan Civil War reported difficulties killing WWII era T-34 tanks with them!). Generally the minimum you want on a weapon to kill a tank is about 80 - 90mm with some anti-tank rockets and missiles being 120 and even 150mm in caliber.

So something like a 90mm Recoilless rifle or some such...

[Icefalcon]

Sidebar: While we're on the subject, I have noticed that many of the underbarrel grenade launchers have a multi-round ammo capacity that they shouldn't have.

I don't have the books in front of me, but the Free Quebec standard army laser rifle has a GL with 3-4 round I think, and that bad-ass Juicer rifle from Juicer Uprising also has 3-4 rounds. The problem is: there is no place in the launcher to hold this ammunition.

Looking at the artwork of these weapons, it appears that they use the tubular magazine design that you find in a pump shotgun to store the extra grenade rounds.

[jaymz]

@Little Snuzzles - I wouldn't try to hard to justify the stats with the art.....that just leads to headaches....

[Icefalcon]

@Little Snuzzles - I wouldn't try to hard to justify the stats with the art.....that just leads to headaches....

Actually that was me but you are correct.

[jaymz]

@Little Snuzzles - I wouldn't try to hard to justify the stats with the art.....that just leads to headaches....

Actually that was me but you are correct.

Oh yeah, I know Ice....but the only way to know whether or not the launchers would have room would have been for L/S to compare them to the art. My apologies, i should have been more specific in my statement.

[Icefalcon]

@Little Snuzzles - I wouldn't try to hard to justify the stats with the art.....that just leads to headaches....

Actually that was me but you are correct.

Oh yeah, I know Ice....but the only way to know whether or not the launchers would have room would have been for L/S to compare them to the art. My apologies, i should have been more specific in my statement.

No worries. I should remember that the art does not always match the description of the item in question. It is good to be reminded once in a while.

[jaymz]

@Little Snuzzles - I wouldn't try to hard to justify the stats with the art.....that just leads to headaches....

Actually that was me but you are correct.

Oh yeah, I know Ice....but the only way to know whether or not the launchers would have room would have been for L/S to compare them to the art. My apologies, i should have been more specific in my statement.

It's hard to tell if you are being serious or completely sarcastic.

About the headaches? Serious. There are WAAAAYYYY too man things that just do not match up statwise to their art

About anything else? Both

[SpiritInterface]

spiritInterface, scroll up, a 40mm HEDP grenade has 1.6 oz of explosives

Ok, so... What kind of explosives? If you are going to get that nitpicky. Since Comp B has a different explosive potential than C4 or Semtex.

The LAWS rocket may have twice as much in a shape charge, which significantly alters it blast dynamics. Since explosives aren't geometric having twice as much doesn't make it twice as powerful.

[SpiritInterface]

So you guess? This is how you arrive at a 40mm HEDP round is the same in effect as a 66mm M72 LAW??

Really. Sitting in front of a computer..... A world wide source for information, one that if you ask the right questions, then verify those answers against multiple sources, will provide the data requested.

Instead your reaching in up to your elbow and pulling an answer out of your butt.

Since when has the "Compendium of Modern Weapons" been anything but speculative fiction? When did a game supplement written by RPG hobbyists become a definitive source on modern or any other era military hardware?

The internal volume of both contains EMPTY space. This is a necessity as both the 40mm HEDP and the M72 LAW are SHAPE CHARGED warheads...........

This picture is of the much older M72--- The M72 is now up to M72A10 with the M72A6/A7 being what is fielded.
http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/infa ... /M72_1.gif

The 40mm HEDP is an Anti Armor round, just not an Anti-Tank round.... It is intended for engaging the top, rear, and side armor of lightly armored vehicles, such as the BTR series. Its other purpose is (remember dual purpose) is as an anti personnel fragmenting round.

So does that handy "Janes Defense -Guide to Infantry Weapons-2005" have a figure for warhead weight (i.e. explosive charge weight) or only the weight of the warhead without propellant charge?

Nope, but neither does any of the US Army training manuals or any other source.

Every source so far has cited the same source for the M72 Law. Field Manual (FM) 3.23.25

I will have the warhead data as soon as I locate the appropriate EOD manual that will have weight and explosive type.

Field Manual (FM) 3.23.25 doesn't provide any information on the explosives in the m72, ok.

As to guessing, you were the one who stated that a 2.2 lb rocket had 2 lb of explosives.

Either way, unless you are going to get hyper technical it is a moot point. If you don't like what the book says ignore it or change it. All I said was that the writers for simplicity lumped the 40mm grenade round with the mini missile and the LAWS.

We could endlessly debate this it doesn't matter. I mean what would the damage of a 40mm HEDP using enhanced K-HEX be compared the a conventional m72 LAWS or a RPG-28?

[jaymz]

Well.....I can honestly say Palladium does actually differentiate between the two. 40mm Grenade and 66mm LAW.

HU GM Guide - 40mm Grenade - 2d4x10, 66mm LAW - 1d6x100.

[Icefalcon]

Well.....I can honestly say Palladium does actually differentiate between the two. 40mm Grenade and 66mm LAW.

HU GM Guide - 40mm Grenade - 2d4x10, 66mm LAW - 1d6x100.

This is the damage that I would go by.

[Icefalcon]

As a side note, the damage is also listed as 2d4X10 in the Dead Reign book for "launched grenades".

[jaymz]

As a side note, the damage is also listed as 2d4X10 in the Dead Reign book for "launched grenades".

Makes sense as prior to DR, the HU GM guide is the most recent publication with normal modern weapons listed in it iirc

[Icefalcon]

As a side note, the damage is also listed as 2d4X10 in the Dead Reign book for "launched grenades".

Makes sense as prior to DR, the HU GM guide is the most recent publication with normal modern weapons listed in it iirc

So it looks like all of the newer sources are agreeing to the 2d4x10 damage for a 40mm launched grenade.

[jaymz]

Yep

[ArmySGT.]

So per the latest variation of Heroes Unlimited Palladium writers have seen there is a difference, maybe they did not read the Compendium of Modern Weapons..........