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With the Tolkeen War having long concluded, the world of Rifts earth has settled into the traditional conflicts that mark the various regions of the world.

with that being said, what do you feel should be the next cataclysmic conflict or problem that begins to emerge on Rifts earth

Should Lazlo and The Coalition finally face off

should the NGR and Triax finally have their showdown with the gargoyle nation

Should the Xiticix or vampire nations of Mexico, overrun North America

Do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse finally conquer Africa

or do you have a conflict in mind that hasn't even been considered yet


What is the next major event that you want to see on Rifts earth
And why

As much as they've been hyped as an extinction level threat, the Xiticix must be addressed in a major way if time is moved forward. The timeline for their population growth is such that North America will be lost in only a couple decades without outside interference.

The Flooper Invasion.
We finally see the true evil behind these aliens' happy-go-lucky exteriors and learn the truth of what 'floop-floop-floop!' REALLY means.

Well, we already know what the next major event will be: the megaverse in flames book is coming out.

I'm kinda thinking it would nice to have some nice alien-on-monster action where humans are just caught in the middle. Such as a group of mages "arranging" for the Megaverse in Flames to drop on top the Xiticix.

Triax/NGR showdown with the garg's already went down. Operation Sea Storm in Triax2.

Please, please, please don't advance the time line any further.

Nothing good can come of it.

--flatline

flatline wrote:Please, please, please don't advance the time line any further.

Nothing good can come of it.

--flatline

While I agree, i've had enough of charging at that particular windmill in other threads

The minion war. We're playing it out now in my campaign. So far, Chi-towns under siege, half the City-State is infested with demons, the burbs are gone, Prosek is dead, Lil' Joe( the new Emperer) is holed up in the Lone Star Complex, Lazlo burns it's people already taken to be processed in the Foundries, the Fed of magic is engulfed by civil war with half the Feds aligning with the Demons, and the other half(lead by Dunscun) tries to hold the crumbling Feds together. Free Quebec is under siege and worse off then Chi-town. Kingsdale, New Lazlo and Merc Town are swollen with refugee's. The Pecos Empire is under siege by Atlantis as Ole' Splynnie uses Texas as a landing zone for millions of Kittani and Kadian troops. The Bugs are a complete none issue at this point as the Demons of Hades have reaped them all to power the Soulmancy factories in what was once Tolkeen.

And that was the entire point of the invasion of NA by Hades, resources. The Demons need Souls, PPE, and other resources to mass produce their new toys, and NA was chosen to be that place. Course so was Europe. Triax burns ( 65% causality rates), the Gargoyles are made to serve the Demon Lords again, the Brodkil are just more resources for Soulmancy.

In NA, the demons invaded using cults of witches and shifters, and emerging from the Rifts at Detroit, St.Louis, Green Bay, and Old Chicago. So far the Players are running around trying to slow or destroy the leaders of the Demon Armies, but it's rough since the Demon Princess in charge of the invasion is an Ancient Nightstalker Dragon.

taalismn wrote:The Flooper Invasion.
We finally see the true evil behind these aliens' happy-go-lucky exteriors and learn the truth of what 'floop-floop-floop!' REALLY means.

Wait... how'd you find out about the Floopocolypse!?

After Megaverse in Flames is done, I think Pestilence is still sneaking around out there, and when the disease is created for the Xiticix, he might enhance it or have it jump species.

/Sub

Subjugator wrote:After Megaverse in Flames is done, I think Pestilence is still sneaking around out there, and when the disease is created for the Xiticix, he might enhance it or have it jump species.

/Sub

Why would Pestilience even know about the xitixic? it's in africa with no reason at all to go to north america?

I would like the storyline to advance a few years after the Megaversal in Flames-book.

Lazlo is crumbling from the inside in the aftermath of the Demon/Devil War and how it will fall to criminal syndicates with its high crime-rate and Tolkeen Retribution Squads (as well as having said people being secretly being funded by Coalition Sates, Unity and Free Quebec.

Coalition States will after hey save North America need to rebuild ye again and their expansion is halted for quite a while, but more border villages and small owns along the edges of CS space will apply for membership in the Coalition.

Unity will annex New Hope and other small villages along the north shore of Lake Otairo and apply to become a new Coalition State.

Kingsdale & Whykin war (More things to do for mercenaries)

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Subjugator wrote:After Megaverse in Flames is done, I think Pestilence is still sneaking around out there, and when the disease is created for the Xiticix, he might enhance it or have it jump species.

/Sub

Why would Pestilience even know about the xitixic? it's in africa with no reason at all to go to north america?

He wouldn't. He'd know about the disease that is created to kill them...because he'd feel the pulse of a new killer disease.

/Sub

Xiticix seem the most plausible target for an event, given the NA focus of the franchise and the timeline (as said above). On a pure wishlist kinda deal...I'd love to see the human empires of North America, South America, Europe, and Africa (sure, they'd basically have to be created since the Africa book.....well anyway), along with Naruni, True Atlanteans, and a gaggle of pissed of Faerie Lords and other assorted slave races from beyond band together to get all Fortress America on Atlantis.

Won't happen....but it'd be fun to see the blood run thick on the golden streets of Splynn.

Hell, maybe even a devil's bargain with Mexico - because that's the worst idea ever, and thus, ideal for this kinda situation.

A new plague sweeps across the planet killing 95%of all males. The swimsuit edition characters take over.

Bill wrote:A new plague sweeps across the planet killing 95%of all males. The swimsuit edition characters take over.

Buwahahahahaha..oh wait...crap...

I like advancing the timeline. New ideas are great.

Also, I can still ignore the story if want to.

Alrik Vas wrote:I like advancing the timeline. New ideas are great.

Also, I can still ignore the story if want to.

I agree with this 100%

omg, advancing the timeline in other parts of the world? Surely that's just madness!

I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

I'd say, Megaverse in Flames obviously. It's only like 8 years overdue, which I guess technically is on time for palladium. It doesn't matter anyhow, it's already like 114 or 115 P.A. in my game. Any books that come out now would require starting over, so they'll be ignored and not purchased.

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

Blastaar wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

I hate chaos earth and do my best to pretend that it never was published. Rifts was already wonky before it was released. Afterwards things started getting 'retconned' and that just made it even worse.

Blastaar wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

No, not at all. 1 P.A. takes place roughly 200 years after the Time of Chaos. It's the accepted end of the Dark Ages of Man.

That's my whole point. The rifts have finally died down to current levels, the Federation of Magic is in the ruins of Chicago. The Coalition States are just starting up, complete with d-bees and mages in their ranks. The NGR is starting to rebuild factories and retaking their patch of Europe. It's the beginning of the resurgence of civilization. Why not address that era?

The earliest part of the canon Rifts chronology starts around 102 P.A., with the Mechanoid Invasion thanks to Archie-3. I don't know of anything placed earlier than that. So that's a century of fuzzy history. We've got bits and pieces, but nothing concrete, such as what kind of armor Joseph Prosek the First wore.

And as I recall, Chaos Earth is officially considered a different timeline than Rifts, even though nobody really treats it that way.

DhAkael wrote:

Bill wrote:A new plague sweeps across the planet killing 95%of all males. The swimsuit edition characters take over.

Buwahahahahaha..oh wait...crap...

Time to see if there's any gender-changing magic...

Ravenwing wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

I hate chaos earth and do my best to pretend that it never was published. Rifts was already wonky before it was released. Afterwards things started getting 'retconned' and that just made it even worse.

How did Chaos Earth conflict with Rifts Earth?

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:

Ravenwing wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

I hate chaos earth and do my best to pretend that it never was published. Rifts was already wonky before it was released. Afterwards things started getting 'retconned' and that just made it even worse.

How did Chaos Earth conflict with Rifts Earth?

Personally I feel in chaos earth they pushed moving the remaining NEMA force to the Chicago area to be the foundation of the chi-town, vs rather then it coming together years later. And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

SmilingJack wrote:With the Tolkeen War having long concluded, the world of Rifts earth has settled into the traditional conflicts that mark the various regions of the world.

with that being said, what do you feel should be the next cataclysmic conflict or problem that begins to emerge on Rifts earth

Should Lazlo and The Coalition finally face off

should the NGR and Triax finally have their showdown with the gargoyle nation

Should the Xiticix or vampire nations of Mexico, overrun North America

Do the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse finally conquer Africa

or do you have a conflict in mind that hasn't even been considered yet


What is the next major event that you want to see on Rifts earth
And why

I rather have players reshape the world, vs any mega plot.
Just give me the entire equipment list and the tactics each side will use, I can handle the rest.

Mech-Viper Prime wrote: And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

Hold on a sec. The Republicans only claim to have influenced Chi-Town. The book doesn't say if they actually did or not.

I agree with Mack.

Just as Al Gore claiming to have invented the Internet. Just because they teach that to their soldiers does not mean that it is true.
It is called Propaganda and to instill a sense that "It is we who gave Chi Town their ability to produce SAMAS by giving them the Chi Town Library, it is our responsability to make it right by ousting the Proseks. We do not attack them or start a war with them, we just save the people from leaders who misused what we gave them. We are just saving them and liberating them"

Mack wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote: And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

Hold on a sec. The Republicans only claim to have influenced Chi-Town. The book doesn't say if they actually did or not.

True they claim but under operation chi-town coup seems there is some truth to this claim

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Mack wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote: And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

Hold on a sec. The Republicans only claim to have influenced Chi-Town. The book doesn't say if they actually did or not.

True they claim but under operation chi-town coup seems there is some truth to this claim

I agree that they were up to something. I just don't know if they were actually responsible for any real events (minor or major), or simply took credit for events outside of their influence.

Mack wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Mack wrote:

Mech-Viper Prime wrote: And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

Hold on a sec. The Republicans only claim to have influenced Chi-Town. The book doesn't say if they actually did or not.

True they claim but under operation chi-town coup seems there is some truth to this claim

I agree that they were up to something. I just don't know if they were actually responsible for any real events (minor or major), or simply took credit for events outside of their influence.

Samas's Blue prints being found a public library, it would be like you or I going to a public library and finding blue prints to the new stealth helicopter, then add in Joseph the first never talked about killing the great dunscon, just adds to it.
Now if the republicans had the resources to do all of this, before the altantis forces almost wipe them out, if they had the resources then it could be a possibility, if not then its a baseless claim.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Well, we already know what the next major event will be: the megaverse in flames book is coming out.

Keep the dream alive /snort! Haha just kidding yup the megaverse in flames I think is the next big setup point at least for north america. Given that one future source books is listed as CS heroes of humanity it sounded like the CS plays a big role in fending off the demonic invasion and perhaps mellows out a bit in the process perhaps at least allowing the vanguard back into its good graces.

Mech-Viper Prime wrote:

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:

Ravenwing wrote:

Blastaar wrote:

wyrmraker wrote:I would like them to move backwards, as opposed to forwards. Get historical with it. Start at 1 P.A. Ask serious questions like "What were CS soldiers wearing during the Campaign of Blood?", "What is the historical timeline of Lazlo and the other magic states?".
Those sorts of things, I feel, need to be answered. Stop moving forward and provide a proper history of the modern era.

Isn't this the setting for Chaos Earth? the beginning of the rifts

I hate chaos earth and do my best to pretend that it never was published. Rifts was already wonky before it was released. Afterwards things started getting 'retconned' and that just made it even worse.

How did Chaos Earth conflict with Rifts Earth?

Personally I feel in chaos earth they pushed moving the remaining NEMA force to the Chicago area to be the foundation of the chi-town, vs rather then it coming together years later. And then add the republicans retcon of the founding of the chi-town, just adds to the mess.

There is no reason it cannot be both. Sure NEMA moved forces to chicago A> because it was far away from the coast B> in about as tectonically stable part of the country they could find given the crazy stuff going on with the coming of the rifts and C> centrally located in the country.

There is no evidence that the nema forces actually become the CS. It is equally likely that the NEMA forces fought bravely and in the end scattered or died. The military bunkers and bases and legends of them led others a century or more later to build enclaves to protect their high tech troves and those enclaves eventually grew to become the CS states.

I also don't see the republicans as being much of a retcon. All they would have had to do is basically point survivors at known bases/depots that may have survived the apocalypse which would be common in an area where NEMA had consolidated forces.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Well, we already know what the next major event will be: the megaverse in flames book is coming out.

?????

How can that possibly be the next major event when its the current major event???

kaid wrote:There is no reason it cannot be both. Sure NEMA moved forces to chicago A> because it was far away from the coast B> in about as tectonically stable part of the country they could find given the crazy stuff going on with the coming of the rifts and C> centrally located in the country.

There is no evidence that the nema forces actually become the CS. It is equally likely that the NEMA forces fought bravely and in the end scattered or died. The military bunkers and bases and legends of them led others a century or more later to build enclaves to protect their high tech troves and those enclaves eventually grew to become the CS states.

I also don't see the republicans as being much of a retcon. All they would have had to do is basically point survivors at known bases/depots that may have survived the apocalypse which would be common in an area where NEMA had consolidated forces.

Could be, but I feel he wanted to rush the idea that sawyer people turn into chi- town then cs chi-town.
Chi-town at one time had 12 glitter boys now if they were NEMA rebuilds or non NEMA is open to debate, turn add in the claims of them finding the samas blueprint, that were planted by the republicans for them is open to debate as well, but like I said before that is like finding the blueprints of the new stealth copter in the public libary.

I'm wondering if the "Megaverse in flames' Might not "Partially solve" the Xits problem. The Demons and Devils rift onto earth in Northern NA, and they and the Bugs go to war over that area. The minions defeat and kill off most of the bugs at great losses to their own numbers.

Then when the bugs are no longer the pressing problem, the much much much weakened Demons and Devils are set upon by the CS and Lazlo and the Fed, and only due to having lost millions and millions to the Xits, do they eventually lose to the Earth forces.

Which also get trashed and have to go home and lick their own wounds.

PERHAPS... with one of the magic groups saving the CS's hide in the war and making the CS start to re-evaluate their 'Anti magic/anti dbee' mindset. Even if it's just a grass roots thing starting to gain traction.

Ninjabunny wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'm wondering if the "Megaverse in flames' Might not "Partially solve" the Xits problem. The Demons and Devils rift onto earth in Northern NA, and they and the Bugs go to war over that area. The minions defeat and kill off most of the bugs at great losses to their own numbers.

Then when the bugs are no longer the pressing problem, the much much much weakened Demons and Devils are set upon by the CS and Lazlo and the Fed, and only due to having lost millions and millions to the Xits, do they eventually lose to the Earth forces.

Which also get trashed and have to go home and lick their own wounds.

PERHAPS... with one of the magic groups saving the CS's hide in the war and making the CS start to re-evaluate their 'Anti magic/anti dbee' mindset. Even if it's just a grass roots thing starting to gain traction.

Mmost we could hope for is a more Traix/NGR approach.

Perhaps, but if poppa Prosek died in the war, Young Prosek is a bit more open minded. Could happen.

My main thing was I think the Minions and the Bugs are going to fight each other and weaken both sides, 'before' those on earth Rally to basically push them back/off earth.

I can't think that you can leave the minion war raging, as all the future supplements would need to address it. I think the Megaverse in flames has to have some sort of finality to it, meaning the Demons and Devils have to lose or some how be made to see Rifts earth as unprofitable.

heck those "Megaversal Superpowers" Might step in. The same ones that don't let any one Sploog get TOO much control over the planet? Maybe they swoop in and end the fight.

Ninjabunny wrote:Young Joe is more evil then Papa though, he would exploit it to an evil self "servicing" end.

How is Young Joe more evil than Papa? I know he runs the PR corps but why 'more evil'?

Ninjabunny wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:

Ninjabunny wrote:Young Joe is more evil then Papa though, he would exploit it to an evil self "servicing" end.

How is Young Joe more evil than Papa? I know he runs the PR corps but why 'more evil'?

Updated stats have Karl Miscreant and Joesph Diabolic.. not near my books I shall later post if I recalled correct or not.

I thought he was Aberrant or even unprincipled.

Which books is he found in? I have my books at hand but honestly forget where he's located in them.

Ok. CS War Campaign has Joseph Prosek II As Aberrant, pg 215.

I remember him as diabolic too. Think it was in the first sourcebook. If they changed it in CWC that works. I'd rather young Joe have a shred of honor.

I always want to let my players make the moves and decisions in the world. I like the adopt the idea of "Time of Tumult" from Exalted - there is a 10 year span where big events happen, and see how the player characters alter or steer those events. I start my games in 102 P.A. (I use RUE, but I like starting back in classic Rifts timeline).

Then I wonder what they can accomplish?

Really, I don't care what Palladium releases. I like when they have books (like Vampire Kingdoms) that present a looming menace, and leave it up to the GM and players to play through. Not define. It's why I RP.

I think it would be nice to maybe devote a Rifter issue to developing several likely, and maybe unlikely, scenarios for the near future of Rifts Earth, both in North America and the rest of the inhabited world.

ScottBernard wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Well, we already know what the next major event will be: the megaverse in flames book is coming out.

?????

How can that possibly be the next major event when its the current major event???

It's not the current major event. Megaverse in flames isn't out yet.

Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'm wondering if the "Megaverse in flames' Might not "Partially solve" the Xits problem. The Demons and Devils rift onto earth in Northern NA, and they and the Bugs go to war over that area. The minions defeat and kill off most of the bugs at great losses to their own numbers.

Then when the bugs are no longer the pressing problem, the much much much weakened Demons and Devils are set upon by the CS and Lazlo and the Fed, and only due to having lost millions and millions to the Xits, do they eventually lose to the Earth forces.

Which also get trashed and have to go home and lick their own wounds.

I'll be honest. I never saw the xitixic as much of a global threat. a pair of temporal raiders with 4d transformation could wipe them out pretty darn easially. they have 0 defence aginst it. Just have them go 4d, explore until they find the queens chamber, drop off some nukes there, pop back 4d to escape the explosion. Lather, rinse, repeat. with some logistical backing and funding from Lazlo they could have the xitixic exterminated in under a year.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'm wondering if the "Megaverse in flames' Might not "Partially solve" the Xits problem. The Demons and Devils rift onto earth in Northern NA, and they and the Bugs go to war over that area. The minions defeat and kill off most of the bugs at great losses to their own numbers.

Then when the bugs are no longer the pressing problem, the much much much weakened Demons and Devils are set upon by the CS and Lazlo and the Fed, and only due to having lost millions and millions to the Xits, do they eventually lose to the Earth forces.

Which also get trashed and have to go home and lick their own wounds.

I'll be honest. I never saw the xitixic as much of a global threat. a pair of temporal raiders with 4d transformation could wipe them out pretty darn easially. they have 0 defence aginst it. Just have them go 4d, explore until they find the queens chamber, drop off some nukes there, pop back 4d to escape the explosion. Lather, rinse, repeat. with some logistical backing and funding from Lazlo they could have the xitixic exterminated in under a year.

How many insanities would they pick up with such flagrant use of 4D Transformation?

--flatline

flatline wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

Pepsi Jedi wrote:I'm wondering if the "Megaverse in flames' Might not "Partially solve" the Xits problem. The Demons and Devils rift onto earth in Northern NA, and they and the Bugs go to war over that area. The minions defeat and kill off most of the bugs at great losses to their own numbers.

Then when the bugs are no longer the pressing problem, the much much much weakened Demons and Devils are set upon by the CS and Lazlo and the Fed, and only due to having lost millions and millions to the Xits, do they eventually lose to the Earth forces.

Which also get trashed and have to go home and lick their own wounds.

I'll be honest. I never saw the xitixic as much of a global threat. a pair of temporal raiders with 4d transformation could wipe them out pretty darn easially. they have 0 defence aginst it. Just have them go 4d, explore until they find the queens chamber, drop off some nukes there, pop back 4d to escape the explosion. Lather, rinse, repeat. with some logistical backing and funding from Lazlo they could have the xitixic exterminated in under a year.

How many insanities would they pick up with such flagrant use of 4D Transformation?

--flatline

Plenty, but several psychics with cure insanity can remove them. you'd need quite a few, sinse each permanent cure requires 2d6 ISP to be permanetly sacrafised, but it's a small cost to pay for elimating the xitixic, and a serious effort by a major power like lazlo could round up a dozen or so volenteers.