Mecha HTH Abilities

[Mike1975]

Is it ok to post some here? I just need clarification on a few things since they make little sense to me as written. I like some of the changes in 2nd edition, but the format in 1st edition was easier for me to find and read.

I want to show a few example to make sure I'm doing this right.

VF Veritech Pilot Level 2
Add HTH Expert for Level 2
Add MOS bonuses
Add MECT bonuses for level 2 (Same as Alpha Fighter?)
Total?

Also the Shadow Stuff shows with higher bonuses on the Alpha one way over another so it's another reason I would like to show an example with APM, Strike, Dodge bonuses.

[Rimmerdal]

Is it ok to post some here? I just need clarification on a few things since they make little sense to me as written. I like some of the changes in 2nd edition, but the format in 1st edition was easier for me to find and read.

I want to show a few example to make sure I'm doing this right.

VF Veritech Pilot Level 2
Add HTH Expert for Level 2
Add MOS bonuses
Add MECT bonuses for level 2 (Same as Alpha Fighter?)
Total?

Also the Shadow Stuff shows with higher bonuses on the Alpha one way over another so it's another reason I would like to show an example with APM, Strike, Dodge bonuses.

looks about right. don't forget any bonuses from the apptitudes.

[Mike1975]

Example 1:
Let's say I have a VF veritech pilot that is level 2.
HTH Expert
4 APM, +2 Roll, +3 Dodge, +3 Parry
He has no attribute or aptitude bonuses.
MOS Alpha Fighter +1 Dodge, +1 initiative
VF Specials +1 Initiative, +3 Parry, +3 Dodge, +4 Auto Dodge(Flying), +3 Roll
MECT +1 APM, +2 Initiative, +1 Parry, +2 Dodge, +1 Roll

Total 5 APM, Initiative +3, Roll +6, Dodge +9, +10 Auto Dodge in Fighter, +7 Parry, +4 Stike (HTH Only)

Is this right or am I missing something?

[Rimmerdal]

Seems right to me. though I thought there was a a strike for gunpods too. they might use assault rifle or energy rifle Profficency but not sure thats offical or was a house rule the GM I played with used.

[glitterboy2098]

gunpods would use Weapon Systems and WP:heavy MD weapons skills for extra bonuses, same as most large mecha/vehicle mounted weapons.

now if used like a rifle by a Zentraedi, it might count as something else, GM's call.

[Rimmerdal]

gunpods would use Weapon Systems and WP:heavy MD weapons skills for extra bonuses, same as most large mecha/vehicle mounted weapons.

now if used like a rifle by a Zentraedi, it might count as something else, GM's call.

Right like the shotgun style gunpod zent have which operates like a shotgun essentionally.

[Mike1975]

So I need to add +1 to the strike for WP in Heavy MD Weapons at level 2 and another +1 at level 4 correct?

So I have Total 5 APM, Initiative +3, Roll +6, Dodge +9, +10 Auto Dodge in Fighter, +7 Parry, +4 Stike (HTH Only), +1 Strike w/all Veritech weapons and another +1 when firing the GU-11 itself.

[Mike1975]

The biggest PITA is how many pages I have to look through to find all this information and put it together!

[Rimmerdal]

LOL! get used to it. its the Pallidium way. But hey, your all set up. now kill a few Zent and Invid and make us proud.

[Mike1975]

Now that I got this down I can go back to my spreadsheet that adds up all the bonuses for each HTH, MOS, and Mecha Bonuses for a character and finalize the conversions from the RPG to Tactics.

Much appreciated. A couple more questions.

Alphas on other Veritech do no have the base bonuses that the VF has above and beyond the MECT bonuses correct?

On page 105 of Shadow Chronicles it shows the MECT bonuses for the Alpha. On page 100 it shows bonuses for Shadow Devices. The Shadow Alpha says Dodge +6 when device is activated. I read this as +6 in Battloid and +8 when flying. Am I correct? I think it's jsut badly written in the Shadow Alpha Text

[glitterboy2098]

the VF-1 has some extra fighter mode bonuses due to the souped up control system it uses, which it can lose if it takes too much damage. ASC mecha usually have something similar already included in their MECT and retain it even when damaged. (IIRC)
the Alpha gets just what is in its MECT.. evidently the UEEF didn't go in for the extra powerful control systems, which give ASC veritechs and the VF-1 extra ability in fighter mode.

as for the shadow fighter thing... will look at my books when i get home.

[Mike1975]

Awesome, thanks.

[glitterboy2098]

looking at my copy, the wording indicates that the +6 replaces the normal dodge bonus.

[Tiree]

I would like to note: AutoDodge Bonus only uses "AutoDodge Bonus" and "PP Bonus" to get a total Bonus.

[Mike1975]

Thanks Tiree, I'll update my stuff

[Mike1975]

Question, Battlepods show +2 for strike and in the Zen desciption it says all of their units get +2 to strike also. Is this cumulative? Seems a wee bit too much.

[Mike1975]

The Logan and Ajacs have "Special" Combat skills besides their MECT but the Hovertanks does not?

[Tiree]

The Logan and Ajacs have "Special" Combat skills besides their MECT but the Hovertanks does not?

If that is due to their 'Fly by Wire' then it is accurate

[Mike1975]

Masters Sourcebooks Pages 84 and 90 show "Special" bonuses. I do not see anything saying it is due to the fly by wire though. The Hovertank does not have any of these bonuses where I think it would make sense for the Tank for have them also.

Also, another question. Do the invid get any bonuses besides what is listed for the unit descriptions for the Scouts, Armored Scouts, Troopers, Shocktroopers, and Command Units? In the old book there was stats for individual invid depending upon their eveolutionary stage. This is now in from the second edition?

[Rimmerdal]

Invid don't get added . as the mecha is made with the stages in mind already I would think.

[Mike1975]

That is what I figured so I used the unmodified Invid stats for the Tactics Conversions