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could on build a techno-wizardry device that would allow someone to use biomancy or work genetics like splicers armors and bio tech things / cloning so on and so on ?

Probably not. Maybe if you had access to fleshsculpting magic, biomancy, and genetic/eugenic technology but techno-wizardry dosen't really go in that direction.

The TW would have to partner with a biomancer, Fleshsculpter, or another mage that has the spells needed to make the device.


"Can PC's make such devices?" I would not let them.
"Can NPC's make such devices?" yes, but I would not let the pc's steal one.

I thought Biomancers hated Techno-Wizards almost as much as Necromancers since they're all techy.

Though I could be wrong since TW stuff is usually better for the environment than normal tech.

I was not answering the question without any inter-speciality conflict interjected into the answer.

Tor wrote:I thought Biomancers hated Techno-Wizards almost as much as Necromancers since they're all techy.

Though I could be wrong since TW stuff is usually better for the environment than normal tech.

Depends upon the 'fanaticism level' of a particular Biomancer.

As statted out in the Rifts: South America book, that goes anywhere from the tolerant 'I accept Technology as yet another facet of the universe but I don't want to be stuck inside some smelly noisy city myself' stance all the way to 'those Amish people over there are STILL too technological for my tastes, let's wage war on them and forcibly convert them to our ways' extremism.

cornholioprime wrote:

Tor wrote:I thought Biomancers hated Techno-Wizards almost as much as Necromancers since they're all techy.

Though I could be wrong since TW stuff is usually better for the environment than normal tech.

Depends upon the 'fanaticism level' of a particular Biomancer.

As statted out in the Rifts: South America book, that goes anywhere from the tolerant 'I accept Technology as yet another facet of the universe but I don't want to be stuck inside some smelly noisy city myself' stance all the way to 'those Amish people over there are STILL too technological for my tastes, let's wage war on them and forcibly convert them to our ways' extremism.

While the most tolerant sort accept technology as part of life I don't think it left any option for Biomancers themselves to go along with using technology or helping in building it.

I don't think Biomancy could work in a TW device: TW devices are supposed to follow form and function. I.e.:"See" spells are built into glasses, goggles, visors and the like. "Tech" is not "Life" and as such, even if a Biomancer was willing to work with a Techno Wizard, the magics would be incompatible.

RiftJunkie wrote:I don't think Biomancy could work in a TW device: TW devices are supposed to follow form and function. I.e.:"See" spells are built into glasses, goggles, visors and the like. "Tech" is not "Life" and as such, even if a Biomancer was willing to work with a Techno Wizard, the magics would be incompatible.

We use tech to produce, aid, and augment life all the time. There's no reason why (other than finding a willing Biomancer) that a Techno-Wizard couldn't create say a techno-wizard land-detoxifier that caused increased soil fertility using that 9th level Biomancer spell. One could even try selling it like that, the TW and Biomancer teaming up to create devices to more effectively clean up a blighted landscape than the Biomancer could do on his own.

RiftJunkie wrote:I don't think Biomancy could work in a TW device: TW devices are supposed to follow form and function. I.e.:"See" spells are built into glasses, goggles, visors and the like. "Tech" is not "Life" and as such, even if a Biomancer was willing to work with a Techno Wizard, the magics would be incompatible.

Except that Biomancy explicitly can. RUE page 134 says that Amber or Opal are the gems required. Likewise, Nature Magic spells take Garnet or Onyx.

Nature and technology are not mutually exclusive in Rifts.

Good point about the Opals, but the possibility still doesn't get around the difficulty of finding a willing Biomancer who would want their magic harnessed by a non-biomancer who might abuse it.

That's probably why we should see resurrection guns being mass-produced.

cornholioprime wrote:those Amish people over there are STILL too technological for my tastes, let's wage war on them and forcibly convert them to our ways

You sure you want to try that?

Tor wrote:Good point about the Opals, but the possibility still doesn't get around the difficulty of finding a willing Biomancer who would want their magic harnessed by a non-biomancer who might abuse it.

difficult but not impossible. There are many options, from striking up a long friendship to having a mind melter subtly bring one around to your desired way of thinking, depending on where you fall on the ethics scale.

I'm sure many a Principled Mind Melter could come around to an 'end justifies means' way of thinking for a resurrection gun.

Tor wrote:I'm sure many a Principled Mind Melter could come around to an 'end justifies means' way of thinking for a resurrection gun.

Mind expanding on that? what does a mind melter have to do with a resurrection gun?

Svartalf wrote:

Tor wrote:I'm sure many a Principled Mind Melter could come around to an 'end justifies means' way of thinking for a resurrection gun.

Mind expanding on that? what does a mind melter have to do with a resurrection gun?

He was referring to the previous post that depending on your ethics you could use mindcontrol to 'convince' a Biomancer to help you.