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Robotech: Valkyrie Project, a live-action Argentinian's Robotech fan film written by Jorge Luis Sucksdorf and directed by Cesar A. Turturro has finally been completed after almost two years in development. Cesar A. Turturro owns a studio called Creavision in which the RT live action production being developed strictly for non profit endeavors.

Mr Turturro and his studio has produced a documentary on Falkland Wars - '1982: Malvinas, the war from the air' aka 'History Channel Falklands Air War' for History Channel.

A viral teaser trailer for Robotech: Valkyrie Project appeared on Youtube on late 2012 and set the netizens abuzz with excitement. As of late, recent new 2nd trailer were uploaded late Nov 2013 with expected release of the fan film online by 31st Dec 2013.

Here is some of the preview poster for the fan film:

http://www.robotechx.com/images/stories/2012/rt_valk_project.jpg

Website:
http://www.robotechvalkyrieproject.com/
https://www.facebook.com/RobotechValkyrieProject

The first teaser trailer for Robotech: Valkyrie Project (as of 23 June 2012).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKND8f6QYCQ

The 1st trailer that set tongues a-wagging across the Internet (as of 31 Dec 2012).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fp8hhXaMfQ

The second teaser trailer for Robotech: Valkyrie Project (as of 8 Dec 2013).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDSAjA41LcI

The 2nd trailer that was uploaded on Christmas Day in full anticipation of the live action release (as of 25 Dec 2015).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6Y0b0soFOw

Ladies and Gentleman .... the first part of the Robotech: Valkyrie Project was uploaded on 31 Dec 2013. Clicky - clicky:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BlvPR9XeZik

While waiting for the 2nd installment of the said live action RT fan film, I'd like to share the works of an Ecuadorian animator Patricio "Pat" Mosquera who created three teasers for a fan animated video aptly named 'Robotech Skull Knights'. While RT Skull Nights has not yet be completed, it is interesting to note that Mr Mosquera is listed as one of the Animation Director for Robotech: Love Live Alive. For reference, please refer here (looked under 'Animation Department):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2906190/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

Robotech Skull Nights teasers:

- 1st Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvCJy5g2Vw

- 2nd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOWd3_Tip4

- 3rd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avuwG-L1Kg

Just for a sidenote, some talented RT fan released a short fan video of RT Shadow Chronicles before RTSC debuted on the market 7 years ago. Kinda interesting. Until now nobody really knew who created the video (if you guys know, please updated me, OK?)

The said video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exsWZy2Tp0o

FREAKING AWESOME!
cant wait to see the whole thing.
the first part ROCKS!

Looks great! Just wish it had at least English subs in it. It is also sad that a fan film can be made, but HG can't get it done.

Alpha 11 wrote:Looks great! Just wish it had at least English subs in it. It is also sad that a fan film can be made, but HG can't get it done.

It does has English sub. You need to click on the caption icon, set to English. The subs are available on each teasers, trailers and the episode too.

Protoculture wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:Looks great! Just wish it had at least English subs in it. It is also sad that a fan film can be made, but HG can't get it done.

It does has English sub. You need to click on the caption icon, set to English. The subs are available on each teasers, trailers and the episode too.

Thanks!

You tend to forget that though the Regult is the Zentraedi red-shirt, against regular stuff(especially civilians) they're pretty damn effective(especially with a sadistic or just plain angry thug behind the controls).

Protoculture wrote:While waiting for the 2nd installment of the said live action RT fan film, I'd like to share the works of an Ecuadorian animator Patricio "Pat" Mosquera who created three teasers for a fan animated video aptly named 'Robotech Skull Knights'. While RT Skull Nights has not yet be completed, it is interesting to note that Mr Mosquera is listed as one of the Animation Director for Robotech: Love Live Alive. For reference, please refer here (looked under 'Animation Department):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2906190/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

Robotech Skull Nights teasers:

- 1st Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvCJy5g2Vw

- 2nd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOWd3_Tip4

- 3rd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avuwG-L1Kg

Like I said before, the fans are making WAY more faster then HG. Maybe they should just hand over the film to the fans, then we would get it in a few years.

Alpha 11 wrote:

Protoculture wrote:While waiting for the 2nd installment of the said live action RT fan film, I'd like to share the works of an Ecuadorian animator Patricio "Pat" Mosquera who created three teasers for a fan animated video aptly named 'Robotech Skull Knights'. While RT Skull Nights has not yet be completed, it is interesting to note that Mr Mosquera is listed as one of the Animation Director for Robotech: Love Live Alive. For reference, please refer here (looked under 'Animation Department):
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2906190/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

Robotech Skull Nights teasers:

- 1st Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFvCJy5g2Vw

- 2nd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laOWd3_Tip4

- 3rd Teaser:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9avuwG-L1Kg

Like I said before, the fans are making WAY more faster then HG. Maybe they should just hand over the film to the fans, then we would get it in a few years.

That's because fans are generally more focused and driven, and companies frequently spend their time in a lot of tedious distracting discussion as various people vie for control and ensuring only their vision of what should be gets produced (including sadly some who'd like to actually sabotage things to ensure a rival looks bad).

Alpha 11 wrote:Like I said before, the fans are making WAY more faster then HG. Maybe they should just hand over the film to the fans, then we would get it in a few years.

That's because the fans, if they're doing it for non-profit purposes, don't have to contend with all of the contract and copyright-based restrictions on usage of the source material used in Robotech. With things as they are, if Harmony Gold had put out that exact same teaser trailer, they'd get sued down to their skivvies for copyright infringement over the usage of Macross designs.

Just to give you a general impression of why it takes Harmony Gold so much longer to get things done in the Robotech franchise, here's a brief rundown of what they have to worry about:

• Before they can even begin drafting a proposal for a new animated property, the Harmony Gold RT team has to get permission and a budget from senior management... who are, according to the staff's own account, not convinced Robotech is worth spending money on anymore.
  
• Once they've got the permission of senior management and a budget to do the development, they have to come up with some actual ideas for a new story and new designs... with a careful eye toward avoiding anything derivative of anyone else's copyrighted work, lest they land themselves a copyright infringement lawsuit.
  
• Everything they come up with has to be submitted to management for review and approvals, then shipped to legal to be vetted to ensure that nothing there is going to provoke a lawsuit... as Harmony Gold doesn't actually OWN any of the material in the animation of the original series, they have to get Tatsunoko's blessing to use Tatsunoko-owned IP and anything from Big West-owned properties has to be removed or redesigned until it's unrecognizable. (e.g. RTSC Rick Hunter.)
  
• After they've actually got their rough draft and story proposal, all that nonsense gets put into the review and rewrite process until they're convinced they've got a solid, presentable story ready for the animation process. (Basically, the previous two steps OVER AND OVER AGAIN... potentially ad infinitum.)
  
• They have to pitch all this stuff to management one last time to get a production budget and the necessary approvals to actually start farming the story treatment and concept art around to studios, with the aim of getting estimates for the cost of production.
  
• With a reasonably firm idea of what they want to make, they have to find a studio willing to make the bloody thing... a tall order considering the tiny budget they have to work with and the cost of an all-new production in this day in age... and then dredge up all the other talent they need to make the project a reality (voice actors, mechanical and character designers to polish the concept art into the final production versions, directors, and other key production crew) because they have precisely zero in-house talent.
  
• Once they've found a studio willing to work for peanuts and have all the staff they need on-hand, they have to draw up everybody's contracts, which in this day in age is always a mess because they have to delve into international law and the native law of wherever the studio is (it was in South Korea last time), as well as the screen actor's guild for the voice actors, and so on.
  
• After they're done dotting their i's and crossing their t's, they can finally start production.
  
• Once production of the animation and voice tracks are done, the work goes to editing.
  
• Once editing is mostly done, they have to find a distributor willing to accept their terms... which is apparently a VERY tall order, as industry scuttlebutt suggests their contract terms for distribution are more than slightly unreasonable for a franchise of such minuscule standing as Robotech.
  
• After they've finally got a distributor, then they have to wait for the discs to be authored digitally, the master copy to be made, and for the pressing of duplicates to begin, while they wait for packaging and shipping.
  
• They have to get management approval a few more times, to make sure management is A-OK with selling the product they've made.
  
• The new film finally ships.

Compare that to the production process for a fan-film...

• We got a rough idea of our story?
• We got someone who can draw?
• We got someone who can animate with CG?
• We got some volunteer voice actors?
• Let's wing that mother!

Alpha 11 wrote:[

Like I said before, the fans are making WAY more faster then HG. Maybe they should just hand over the film to the fans, then we would get it in a few years.

Indeed. The shot of the SDF/ASS-1 crashed in the mountains?
Pure gold.

[quote="Seto Kaiba"][/quote]

You forgot lining up sponsors for those oh-so-subtly placed commercial flashes...Bets the 'Petit Cola' machines would be extinct in favor of Coca-Cola red or the Pepsi Death-star?

taalismn wrote:You forgot lining up sponsors for those oh-so-subtly placed commercial flashes...Bets the 'Petit Cola' machines would be extinct in favor of Coca-Cola red or the Pepsi Death-star?

Eh... that's only a concern if the new project under development is a series that'll air on television (or a movie that isn't direct-to-video) and only then if they have a sponsor that's so confident in the project they're willing to throw a little extra money at it to have their brand prominently featured. In short, it's something Robotech will never have to worry about...

(That particular brand of intrusive advertising is surprisingly rare in the anime industry. Usually it's more the other way around, with the use of "bland name" equivalents when they want to show a character's, say, drinking a cola but they can't use the Coca-Cola name or distinctive logo. 'bout the only examples where advertisers got their logos into a series itself in a really blatant way were the two seasons of the Code Geass series, which were in bed with Pizza Hut.)

Seto Kaiba wrote:

taalismn wrote:You forgot lining up sponsors for those oh-so-subtly placed commercial flashes...Bets the 'Petit Cola' machines would be extinct in favor of Coca-Cola red or the Pepsi Death-star?

Eh... that's only a concern if the new project under development is a series that'll air on television (or a movie that isn't direct-to-video) and only then if they have a sponsor that's so confident in the project they're willing to throw a little extra money at it to have their brand prominently featured. In short, it's something Robotech will never have to worry about...

I was talking live-action films, but thanks for the clarification points.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

taalismn wrote:You forgot lining up sponsors for those oh-so-subtly placed commercial flashes...Bets the 'Petit Cola' machines would be extinct in favor of Coca-Cola red or the Pepsi Death-star?

Eh... that's only a concern if the new project under development is a series that'll air on television (or a movie that isn't direct-to-video) and only then if they have a sponsor that's so confident in the project they're willing to throw a little extra money at it to have their brand prominently featured. In short, it's something Robotech will never have to worry about...

(That particular brand of intrusive advertising is surprisingly rare in the anime industry. Usually it's more the other way around, with the use of "bland name" equivalents when they want to show a character's, say, drinking a cola but they can't use the Coca-Cola name or distinctive logo. 'bout the only examples where advertisers got their logos into a series itself in a really blatant way were the two seasons of the Code Geass series, which were in bed with Pizza Hut.)

I've seen it in anime were they are at a fast food place, and you know its MacDanolds, but they just change the name a little.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:Like I said before, the fans are making WAY more faster then HG. Maybe they should just hand over the film to the fans, then we would get it in a few years.

That's because the fans, if they're doing it for non-profit purposes, don't have to contend with all of the contract and copyright-based restrictions on usage of the source material used in Robotech. With things as they are, if Harmony Gold had put out that exact same teaser trailer, they'd get sued down to their skivvies for copyright infringement over the usage of Macross designs.

Just to give you a general impression of why it takes Harmony Gold so much longer to get things done in the Robotech franchise, here's a brief rundown of what they have to worry about:

• Before they can even begin drafting a proposal for a new animated property, the Harmony Gold RT team has to get permission and a budget from senior management... who are, according to the staff's own account, not convinced Robotech is worth spending money on anymore.
  
• Once they've got the permission of senior management and a budget to do the development, they have to come up with some actual ideas for a new story and new designs... with a careful eye toward avoiding anything derivative of anyone else's copyrighted work, lest they land themselves a copyright infringement lawsuit.
  
• Everything they come up with has to be submitted to management for review and approvals, then shipped to legal to be vetted to ensure that nothing there is going to provoke a lawsuit... as Harmony Gold doesn't actually OWN any of the material in the animation of the original series, they have to get Tatsunoko's blessing to use Tatsunoko-owned IP and anything from Big West-owned properties has to be removed or redesigned until it's unrecognizable. (e.g. RTSC Rick Hunter.)
  
• After they've actually got their rough draft and story proposal, all that nonsense gets put into the review and rewrite process until they're convinced they've got a solid, presentable story ready for the animation process. (Basically, the previous two steps OVER AND OVER AGAIN... potentially ad infinitum.)
  
• They have to pitch all this stuff to management one last time to get a production budget and the necessary approvals to actually start farming the story treatment and concept art around to studios, with the aim of getting estimates for the cost of production.
  
• With a reasonably firm idea of what they want to make, they have to find a studio willing to make the bloody thing... a tall order considering the tiny budget they have to work with and the cost of an all-new production in this day in age... and then dredge up all the other talent they need to make the project a reality (voice actors, mechanical and character designers to polish the concept art into the final production versions, directors, and other key production crew) because they have precisely zero in-house talent.
  
• Once they've found a studio willing to work for peanuts and have all the staff they need on-hand, they have to draw up everybody's contracts, which in this day in age is always a mess because they have to delve into international law and the native law of wherever the studio is (it was in South Korea last time), as well as the screen actor's guild for the voice actors, and so on.
  
• After they're done dotting their i's and crossing their t's, they can finally start production.
  
• Once production of the animation and voice tracks are done, the work goes to editing.
  
• Once editing is mostly done, they have to find a distributor willing to accept their terms... which is apparently a VERY tall order, as industry scuttlebutt suggests their contract terms for distribution are more than slightly unreasonable for a franchise of such minuscule standing as Robotech.
  
• After they've finally got a distributor, then they have to wait for the discs to be authored digitally, the master copy to be made, and for the pressing of duplicates to begin, while they wait for packaging and shipping.
  
• They have to get management approval a few more times, to make sure management is A-OK with selling the product they've made.
  
• The new film finally ships.

Compare that to the production process for a fan-film...

• We got a rough idea of our story?
• We got someone who can draw?
• We got someone who can animate with CG?
• We got some volunteer voice actors?
• Let's wing that mother!

Wow, that is bad. Its times like this I wish I was like a billionair and I would buy Robotech, then pay them so we could use Macross stuff in Robotech. I really wouldn't care if I made a profit on it, as long was we at least broke even, or close at least.

Alpha 11 wrote:[

Wow, that is bad. Its times like this I wish I was like a billionair and I would buy Robotech, then pay them so we could use Macross stuff in Robotech. I really wouldn't care if I made a profit on it, as long was we at least broke even, or close at least.

I think it's kinda beyond money at this point. By now I think it's festered into 'head on a platter' sort of personal between the concerned parties.

Alpha 11 wrote:I've seen it in anime were they are at a fast food place, and you know its MacDanolds, but they just change the name a little.

Yeah, that would be the "bland name" equivalent thing that I mentioned. The studio (or studios) making a series don't have the brand's permission to use their name and logo, so they come up with their own, slightly skewed riff on the familiar name and appearance to get the point across without infringing on anyone's rights. That would be how we got things like "MacrossNald's" in Macross, "Heirekin" beer in Black Lagoon, the "PFP" portable game system in The World God Only Knows, or "Hescafe" coffee and "Mational" light bulbs in Ouran High School Host Club.

Cases of actual in-show product placement are much rarer, like Code Geass's frequently recurring Pizza Hutt delivery boys (and C.C. ordering a plushie of Pizza Hutt's Japanese mascot), or the brief but very visible appearance of a Family Mart (a Japanese convenience store chain) in Macross Frontier: the False Songstress.

Alpha 11 wrote: Wow, that is bad. Its times like this I wish I was like a billionair and I would buy Robotech, then pay them so we could use Macross stuff in Robotech. I really wouldn't care if I made a profit on it, as long was we at least broke even, or close at least.

Eh... I think taalismn has the right of it, at least partly. I don't think there was ever honestly any point at which money would've solved the problem. Macross has always been very successful, and its creators have made no secret of the fact that they look on Robotech's existence with a mixture of "Why would anyone do that?" confusion and dismay. Even if you did strike up a licensing agreement with Macross's Japanese owners, it'd remove one obstacle and add two more in its place by then requiring that everything ALSO be sent to Big West and Studio Nue for approvals too before it went to release. Fan films are about the only way to use Macross material in new Robotech stuff and keep your sanity in the bargain.

As much as a license to one of Japan's hottest anime properties would cost, I doubt even breaking even on a low-volume, low-awareness franchise like Robotech would be possible. They have enough of a hard time doing that with limited-edition high-profit-margin direct sales these days.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:I've seen it in anime were they are at a fast food place, and you know its MacDanolds, but they just change the name a little.

Yeah, that would be the "bland name" equivalent thing that I mentioned. The studio (or studios) making a series don't have the brand's permission to use their name and logo, so they come up with their own, slightly skewed riff on the familiar name and appearance to get the point across without infringing on anyone's rights. That would be how we got things like "MacrossNald's" in Macross, "Heirekin" beer in Black Lagoon, the "PFP" portable game system in The World God Only Knows, or "Hescafe" coffee and "Mational" light bulbs in Ouran High School Host Club.

Cases of actual in-show product placement are much rarer, like Code Geass's frequently recurring Pizza Hutt delivery boys (and C.C. ordering a plushie of Pizza Hutt's Japanese mascot), or the brief but very visible appearance of a Family Mart (a Japanese convenience store chain) in Macross Frontier: the False Songstress.

Alpha 11 wrote: Wow, that is bad. Its times like this I wish I was like a billionair and I would buy Robotech, then pay them so we could use Macross stuff in Robotech. I really wouldn't care if I made a profit on it, as long was we at least broke even, or close at least.

Eh... I think taalismn has the right of it, at least partly. I don't think there was ever honestly any point at which money would've solved the problem. Macross has always been very successful, and its creators have made no secret of the fact that they look on Robotech's existence with a mixture of "Why would anyone do that?" confusion and dismay. Even if you did strike up a licensing agreement with Macross's Japanese owners, it'd remove one obstacle and add two more in its place by then requiring that everything ALSO be sent to Big West and Studio Nue for approvals too before it went to release. Fan films are about the only way to use Macross material in new Robotech stuff and keep your sanity in the bargain.

As much as a license to one of Japan's hottest anime properties would cost, I doubt even breaking even on a low-volume, low-awareness franchise like Robotech would be possible. They have enough of a hard time doing that with limited-edition high-profit-margin direct sales these days.

But at least I would try.

Another thing I would do, would be to LET MACROSS INTO THE US AND GET IT DUB!! The only thing I would try to do is get HG to do the dubbing, though I wouldn't push it to hard, if it looked like it would cause trouble to the rest that I was trying to do.

Alpha 11 wrote:Another thing I would do, would be to LET MACROSS INTO THE US AND GET IT DUB!! The only thing I would try to do is get HG to do the dubbing, though I wouldn't push it to hard, if it looked like it would cause trouble to the rest that I was trying to do.

Now THAT carries its own set of problems quite apart from the whole Robotech production thing.

As you know, a big part of Macross is its soundtrack... that's typically one of the best-selling items that comes out alongside a new series. The obvious result of that overwhelming popularity is that those music rights, at least limited access to which are usually required to distribute a series abroad (so all the music in the series can be used), are prohibitively expensive in some cases. The very oldest shows and OVAs may be exempt for various reasons, but the rights to the music for Macross 7's various titles and Macross Frontier's various titles are going to be a bank-breaker because of how much material they made and how popular it was (or is).

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:Another thing I would do, would be to LET MACROSS INTO THE US AND GET IT DUB!! The only thing I would try to do is get HG to do the dubbing, though I wouldn't push it to hard, if it looked like it would cause trouble to the rest that I was trying to do.

Now THAT carries its own set of problems quite apart from the whole Robotech production thing.

As you know, a big part of Macross is its soundtrack... that's typically one of the best-selling items that comes out alongside a new series. The obvious result of that overwhelming popularity is that those music rights, at least limited access to which are usually required to distribute a series abroad (so all the music in the series can be used), are prohibitively expensive in some cases. The very oldest shows and OVAs may be exempt for various reasons, but the rights to the music for Macross 7's various titles and Macross Frontier's various titles are going to be a bank-breaker because of how much material they made and how popular it was (or is).

If you mean dubbing the music, I don't think I would. If that's not it, then I'm confused. I'm not getting what you're saying. Sorry.

Alpha 11 wrote:If you mean dubbing the music, I don't think I would. If that's not it, then I'm confused. I'm not getting what you're saying. Sorry.

No, I mean that getting the rights to use the original Japanese soundtracks for some of Macross is gonna be insanely expensive because the artists are so prolific and the music is so popular. The original series isn't a problem because of when it was made, but the cost of obtaining the music rights to shows like Macross 7 and Macross Frontier for broadcast outside Japan is going to be INSANE. With Hummingbird (the band that played Fire Bomber's music) being insanely prolific and May'n (Sheryl Nome) being insanely popular as a result of Macross Frontier, the cost of the music alone would probably stop licensing dead even if Harmony Gold didn't.

episode 2 has been released....but the English dubs are not out yet.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:If you mean dubbing the music, I don't think I would. If that's not it, then I'm confused. I'm not getting what you're saying. Sorry.

No, I mean that getting the rights to use the original Japanese soundtracks for some of Macross is gonna be insanely expensive because the artists are so prolific and the music is so popular. The original series isn't a problem because of when it was made, but the cost of obtaining the music rights to shows like Macross 7 and Macross Frontier for broadcast outside Japan is going to be INSANE. With Hummingbird (the band that played Fire Bomber's music) being insanely prolific and May'n (Sheryl Nome) being insanely popular as a result of Macross Frontier, the cost of the music alone would probably stop licensing dead even if Harmony Gold didn't.

Ooohhhhh..., got you. Thanks for expanding the explanation. But still, if I had the money, I would still do it.

sirkermittsg wrote:episode 2 has been released....but the English dubs are not out yet.

The live action? Cool! Thanks!

sirkermittsg wrote:episode 2 has been released....but the English dubs are not out yet.

Link for episode 2? I prefer subs anyway

jaymz wrote:

sirkermittsg wrote:episode 2 has been released....but the English dubs are not out yet.

Link for episode 2? I prefer subs anyway

The second part of the Robotech: Valkyrie Project was uploaded on 10 Jan 2014. Clicky - clicky (Now with English subs):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkCshtRRHJM

its turning out to be a good series.

Protoculture wrote:

jaymz wrote:

sirkermittsg wrote:episode 2 has been released....but the English dubs are not out yet.

Link for episode 2? I prefer subs anyway

The second part of the Robotech: Valkyrie Project was uploaded on 10 Jan 2014. Clicky - clicky (Now with English subs):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkCshtRRHJM

Subs not working.

Lt Gargoyle wrote:its turning out to be a good series.

Agree!

Really? they worked for me, odd.

jaymz wrote:Really? they worked for me, odd.

Tried again, did work. The cc button just will not respond to me.

https://www.facebook.com/RobotechValkyr ... 6743296205

From the Facebook page of Robotech Project Valkyrie

"Surprisingly received this morning, a C & D (cease and desist) (cease and desist) for the rights to Robotech which is owned by Harmony Gold and we have to take down all links of the project, including this page. We're now looking into the details and try to reach an agreement to end the 3rd episode. All project team felt very proud to have done this, and with the support of Harmony Gold. We deeply regret not being able finish at this time, but we will keep you informed through various fan sites. WANT TO THANK ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU GAVE."

This is just ridiculous.

Thank you Harmony Gold. This is the 2nd fan project, both were of excellent potential quality and presentation, you have shut down while all you have done is effectively let your Robotech Franchise languish other than Palladium publishing the only real new material for it. And so many fans that support you wonder why more and more of us Fans are giving up.

Thank you Palladium for at least giving those of us that want new material, new material to read, use, enjoy and yes even debate and argue about.

jaymz wrote:https://www.facebook.com/RobotechValkyrieProject/posts/800536743296205

From the Facebook page of Robotech Project Valkyrie

"Surprisingly received this morning, a C & D (cease and desist) (cease and desist) for the rights to Robotech which is owned by Harmony Gold and we have to take down all links of the project, including this page. We're now looking into the details and try to reach an agreement to end the 3rd episode. All project team felt very proud to have done this, and with the support of Harmony Gold. We deeply regret not being able finish at this time, but we will keep you informed through various fan sites. WANT TO THANK ALL THE SUPPORT THAT YOU GAVE."

This is just ridiculous.

Thank you Harmony Gold. This is the 2nd fan project, both were of excellent potential quality and presentation, you have shut down while all you have done is effectively let your Robotech Franchise languish other than Palladium publishing the only real new material for it. And so many fans that support you wonder why more and more of us Fans are giving up.

Thank you Palladium for at least giving those of us that want new material, new material to read, use, enjoy and yes even debate and argue about.

You're not surprised at it are you? I expected it given some people delight in shooting themselves in the foot and making sure that not only do they not get anywhere on something but no one else does anything either even if it would benefit them financially in the long run. From what I've seen just reading feedback on here it seems that Robotech is one of those Franchises with the wrong people (as in having the wrong motivations) running things hence why so little ever gets seen regarding it.

Surprised? No. Still pissed off at HG? Yes.

jaymz wrote:Surprised? No. Still pissed off at HG? Yes.

I was under the impression that HG was ok with it. Did they change their mind? And ya, take about shooting themselves in the foot! There are a bounce of Star Wars, Star Trek fan made stuff out on youtube, but they aren't being shut down, so what is HG deal?

Hell there is a website that hosts a BUNCH of SW fanfilms. Blacksheep Productions is working on an ongoing series for cring out loud (still waiting on episode three) called IMPS. Imperial Military Personnel Stories. Same gusy that did Troops. The Cops spoff using stormtroopers on Tattooine. Hell they even had THE voice of Optimus Prime narrating it yet HG shuts these gusy down oye.

Alpha 11 wrote:

jaymz wrote:Surprised? No. Still pissed off at HG? Yes.

I was under the impression that HG was ok with it. Did they change their mind? And ya, take about shooting themselves in the foot! There are a bounce of Star Wars, Star Trek fan made stuff out on youtube, but they aren't being shut down, so what is HG deal?

Nah, they did the exact same thing to Robotech Genesis too... they waited until the 11th Hour, then sent a cease and desist after the group had already started to release content. In hilariously ironic fashion, Harmony Gold's volunteer moderators then tried to deflect the various questions about it on Robotech.com by claiming that I had somehow orchestrated it via Harmony Gold's (nonexistent) legal department... while somehow also being persona non grata on their website.

My heart goes out to the lads who worked on this... they put a lot of time and effort into this, and did a damn fine job of it, only to get burned by Harmony Gold at the last minute.

Not surprised at all. If there is a way HG can make Robotech fans angry it jumps at the chance it seems.

MilkManX wrote:Not surprised at all. If there is a way HG can make Robotech fans angry it jumps at the chance it seems.

It's a very Stalin-esque solution to their problems with their fans... no more fans, no more problems.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Alpha 11 wrote:

jaymz wrote:Surprised? No. Still pissed off at HG? Yes.

I was under the impression that HG was ok with it. Did they change their mind? And ya, take about shooting themselves in the foot! There are a bounce of Star Wars, Star Trek fan made stuff out on youtube, but they aren't being shut down, so what is HG deal?

Nah, they did the exact same thing to Robotech Genesis too... they waited until the 11th Hour, then sent a cease and desist after the group had already started to release content. In hilariously ironic fashion, Harmony Gold's volunteer moderators then tried to deflect the various questions about it on Robotech.com by claiming that I had somehow orchestrated it via Harmony Gold's (nonexistent) legal department... while somehow also being persona non grata on their website.

My heart goes out to the lads who worked on this... they put a lot of time and effort into this, and did a damn fine job of it, only to get burned by Harmony Gold at the last minute.

Wow, you need to teach me how you did that! And that is weird. Because I thought I heard that they had given their blessing to the making of it. Guess not.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

MilkManX wrote:Not surprised at all. If there is a way HG can make Robotech fans angry it jumps at the chance it seems.

It's a very Stalin-esque solution to their problems with their fans... no more fans, no more problems.

At this rate, that will happen.

Alpha 11 wrote:Wow, you need to teach me how you did that! And that is weird. Because I thought I heard that they had given their blessing to the making of it. Guess not. [...]

Yeah, funny ain't it? Some of the volunteer mods over on Robotech.com have tried to make me into the Robotech fandom's private boogeyman. They attribute all sorts of fun stuff to my sinister influence. Apparently it never crossed their minds that if I had enough influence to get Harmony Gold to arbitrarily shut down fan-films, I should have more than enough authority that those same mods would be FORCED to reinstate my Robotech.com user account.

It's mega-weird that Harmony Gold sent the makers of this a cease-and-desist after giving the project free publicity and generally expressing support for it. One of the volunteer mods put a great deal of worthless verbiage behind the rather ridiculous idea that it wasn't Harmony Gold's decision, but rather some pencil pusher at Warner Bros putting the kibosh on the fan film as a way of "protecting" the live-action movie they're (not actually) making.

I think the most likely explanation is that whatever Harmony Gold volunteer or staffer was the chief supporter of the fan film got paranoid about possible legal consequences from Big West's partners, since the Valkyrie Project fan film uses unaltered Macross designs.

Alpha 11 wrote:

Seto Kaiba wrote:

MilkManX wrote:Not surprised at all. If there is a way HG can make Robotech fans angry it jumps at the chance it seems.

It's a very Stalin-esque solution to their problems with their fans... no more fans, no more problems.

At this rate, that will happen.

Sure it will... that proverbial ball's been rolling for decades now. Every failure to bring forth the promised [sequel to/continuation of] the Robotech series and every piece of poor-quality merchandise they kick out the door drives that many more fans away from the franchise. The decay we're seeing now is, I think, the start of Robotech's terminal decline.

The Palladium RPG is about the only thing they can point to that's a (mostly) unqualified success.

Harmony Gold again shooting themselves in the foot with the fans while doing nothing with the franchise.

I was wandering if Big West might have had something to do with is. But with the way you said it, if they had had a problem with it, wouldn't they have sent the message, and not HG? Tis a said day to be a Robotech fan.

Arnie100 wrote:Harmony Gold again shooting themselves in the foot with the fans while doing nothing with the franchise.

Hey now, shooting themselves in the foot is a time-honored tradition going back at least as far as their development work on Robotech II: the Sentinels and Robotech: the Untold Story...

Alpha 11 wrote:I was wandering if Big West might have had something to do with is.

Pfft... not bloody likely. Big West is from Japan, where the anime industry in general is considerably less uptight about fan works. If they let huge volumes of fan works of every type go without complaint over there, it'd be pretty preposterous for them to arbitrarily shut down one fan film from Argentina.

Still, I think the most likely explanation does involve Big West... albeit indirectly.

Harmony Gold was actively endorsing the Robotech: Valkyrie Project fan film for a while there. It could easily have been that someone at Harmony Gold finally noticed that, by officially endorsing it, an opportunity existed for Big West and Studio Nue to misinterpret their (promotional) involvement in that fan film as giving it their official sanction and support. Harmony Gold probably didn't want to (further) provoke the Japanese copyright holders by giving them the false impression that they were using that fan film to do an end-run around the law.

That, I think, may be the explanation for why Harmony Gold supported the film as long as they did and then suddenly changed their minds and killed it... one good lawsuit from the Japanese owners of that material would kill Robotech dead.

Alpha 11 wrote:But with the way you said it, if they had had a problem with it, wouldn't they have sent the message, and not HG? Tis a said day to be a Robotech fan.

If Big West had a problem with the fan film, they'd have sent the cease and desist themselves... they don't exactly have a good working relationship with Harmony Gold. If Harmony Gold sent it, then they were the ones who took umbrage. If it'd been Warner Bros, as some crackpots on Robotech.com are speculating, then the cease and desist notice would've come from Warner Bros.

Seto Kaiba wrote:

Arnie100 wrote:Harmony Gold again shooting themselves in the foot with the fans while doing nothing with the franchise.

Hey now, shooting themselves in the foot is a time-honored tradition going back at least as far as their development work on Robotech II: the Sentinels and Robotech: the Untold Story...

Alpha 11 wrote:I was wandering if Big West might have had something to do with is.

Pfft... not bloody likely. Big West is from Japan, where the anime industry in general is considerably less uptight about fan works. If they let huge volumes of fan works of every type go without complaint over there, it'd be pretty preposterous for them to arbitrarily shut down one fan film from Argentina.

Still, I think the most likely explanation does involve Big West... albeit indirectly.

Harmony Gold was actively endorsing the Robotech: Valkyrie Project fan film for a while there. It could easily have been that someone at Harmony Gold finally noticed that, by officially endorsing it, an opportunity existed for Big West and Studio Nue to misinterpret their (promotional) involvement in that fan film as giving it their official sanction and support. Harmony Gold probably didn't want to (further) provoke the Japanese copyright holders by giving them the false impression that they were using that fan film to do an end-run around the law.

That, I think, may be the explanation for why Harmony Gold supported the film as long as they did and then suddenly changed their minds and killed it... one good lawsuit from the Japanese owners of that material would kill Robotech dead.

Alpha 11 wrote:But with the way you said it, if they had had a problem with it, wouldn't they have sent the message, and not HG? Tis a said day to be a Robotech fan.

If Big West had a problem with the fan film, they'd have sent the cease and desist themselves... they don't exactly have a good working relationship with Harmony Gold. If Harmony Gold sent it, then they were the ones who took umbrage. If it'd been Warner Bros, as some crackpots on Robotech.com are speculating, then the cease and desist notice would've come from Warner Bros.

I've said it before, but if I could, I would buy HG to get more Robotech done. Those fools can't do anything. And if I have to get on my hands and knees and go over glass for the people in Japan so we could use ALL of Robotech as we would need, I'd do it in a heart beat. I get the feeling they are not even trying anymore at HG.