Is the information on the SDF-3 missing....

[Sureshot]

From the deluxe edition of Robotech Shadow Chronicles?

I bought a copy a few days ago and I can't find any stats on the SDF-3. I hope I don't have to buy the manga version. Since it should have been in the deluxe edition. Not to mention having to buy two books to get all the information reeks of a money grab.

[drewkitty ~..~]

There are no Game stats for the Pioneer aka the SDF3.

The only data on it in print is in "The Art of the Shadow Chronicles" book.
There is artwork and a listing of crew and passenger numbers and it's length.

Based on the artwork (not totals & not game stats.)

Pioneer-A SDF-3
#1 "Anti-Spacecraft Defense Cannon" : These appear to be anit-mecha/fighter directed energy weapons. They seam to be clustered about the bridges of UEEF Starships, as their last line of defense against suicide attacks against the bridge: Unknown (its a big ship and I would expect some about the bridge)
#2 "Anti-Spacecraft guns" or "Single Barreled Point Defense Guns" : These weapons are missed named, for they are dual mounted, dual barreled, and Triple Bored weapons. These seam to be area denial weapons vs mecha, much like the Anti-Aircraft guns used by wet navies during WWII.: 16
#3 "Anti-Ship Guns" or "Triple-Beam Cannon Turret": These appear to be the main ship to ship weapons used by UEEF capital ships.: 40
#4 'Fast Response Alpha Launch Bay"(Capital): This looks like a modular section of ships that have been used in the larger UEEF capital ships. : 6
#5 "Synchro Cannon" (star-ship sized): Synchro Cannons Scaled up to take the place of the old Heavy Particle Beam 'main guns' of the Zent battle wagons.: 2 (the Pioneer is the only 'listed' UEEF starship to have two)

Note that these numbers are based on the artwork ing the RT:SC Art book and some of them may have inferential guesses in them. And there may be other weapon emplacements that did not show up in the artwork.

[The Beast]

From the deluxe edition of Robotech Shadow Chronicles?

I bought a copy a few days ago and I can't find any stats on the SDF-3. I hope I don't have to buy the manga version. Since it should have been in the deluxe edition. Not to mention having to buy two books to get all the information reeks of a money grab.

Try looking in this book.

[Sureshot]

Why would PB not publish stats for the SDF-3. At the very least if not in the core in a Rifter. Beast I know that the Sentinels book has the stats. Yet I don't have the book and would rather stick with the most up to date Robotech rpg material. It just seems strange to me. Unless they plan to republish the material with updates in a new book.

[Jorel]

There is no Robotech in the Rifter.

[The Galactus Kid]

They may not have been allowed as part of their original licensing deal. Looking forward to the stuff that will be in Marines and hopefully it will be included in a later book.

[auyl]

I figured that they didn't include the stats because of where the SDF-3 was left at the end of the Shadow Chronicles movie. It just wasn't in a position to be used in a plot.

[drewkitty ~..~]

From the deluxe edition of Robotech Shadow Chronicles?

I bought a copy a few days ago and I can't find any stats on the SDF-3. I hope I don't have to buy the manga version. Since it should have been in the deluxe edition. Not to mention having to buy two books to get all the information reeks of a money grab.

Try looking in this book.

The hardcover RT:TSC does not have the sdf-3 stats, only the carrier's stats. Which is why I did my count from the
art-book.

The Liberator (sdf-4) and the Shimakaze-Class BC's are in the genesis pits book. The weapon emplacements of the sdf-3 can be found stat'ed out there. But this is presuming that all the similar emplacements are 'typical'/'the same'.

[glitterboy2098]

they probably left the SDF-3's stats out because it didn't really play much of a role in the prelude comics or in shadow chronicles.. and like the super Shadowfighters, will likely play a big role in a future shadow chronicles film.

[The Galactus Kid]

and like the super Shadowfighters, will likely play a big role in a future shadow chronicles film.

If another film actually ever gets made...

[Jorel]

Bummer. How difficult would it be to just convert the Sentinels one?

[Tiree]

Bummer. How difficult would it be to just convert the Sentinels one?

I'm not sure - maybe this picture would help: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7836 ... ompare.gif

[DhAkael]

My rants about the douchebaggery of Harmony Gold are legion. THIS particular incident (re; no Rifter material allowed, no SDF-3 stats, no printing of the advanced Alpha/Beta's) is just a minor annoyance.
*shrug*
30 years only 90 minutes of original (very poor animation) as opposed to Macross True; 4 or 5 movies, almost as many series, video games up the wazoo.
Yeah.
I'm not holding out hope.

[Jorel]

Bummer. How difficult would it be to just convert the Sentinels one?

I'm not sure - maybe this picture would help: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7836 ... ompare.gif

aside from the 1st, which movies match up with which ships? Where is the Redux from?

[glitterboy2098]

Bummer. How difficult would it be to just convert the Sentinels one?

I'm not sure - maybe this picture would help: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/7836 ... ompare.gif

aside from the 1st, which movies match up with which ships? Where is the Redux from?

the redux is the shadow chronicles one, after it's refit to shadow tech and the removal of the fake shell that made it look zentraedi.

the first one is macross saga.
2nd one is the old size of the SENTINELS SDF-3 with the cosmetic shell to make it look zentraedi. (likely in the new canon the sentinels period one was a bit smaller)
3rd one is shadow chronicles SDF-3 with the shell removed and the ship itself rebuilt to use shadowtech.
4th one is the flagship of the UEEF fleet at the last battle of reflex point, seen in New Gen and Shadow chronicles.

[Jorel]

Thanks

[ShadowLogan]

Why would PB not publish stats for the SDF-3. At the very least if not in the core in a Rifter. Beast I know that the Sentinels book has the stats. Yet I don't have the book and would rather stick with the most up to date Robotech rpg material. It just seems strange to me. Unless they plan to republish the material with updates in a new book.

I don't recall off-hand if it was mentioned in the Main book (Manga definitely doesn't have ship stats), but the TMS SB and TRM SB both mention a dedicated book to spaceships. The project has since been canceled AFAIK.

[jaymz]

It was silly to not give the stats of the SDF-3. What if they want to play out other stuff? The SDF-3 played next to no ole in the original Sentinels story arc either but BAM we had stats.

Sureshot - The MDC stats wont be all that different (you just have to compare 2nd ed TSC ships to the ones in Sentinels to see that) you would just need to tweak the Weapons a bit.

[guardiandashi]

in a way it looks a lot like a "bigger izuki carrier" if those images are to scale.

[drewkitty ~..~]

in a way it looks a lot like a "bigger izuki carrier" if those images are to scale.

Data according to the RT:SC artbook data notes:
SDF-3: 1.24 km.
Ikazuchi: 608 m, 702 m w/ tail antenna.

[jaymz]

If anything it looks like a pair of SDF-4 Central Hulls

[Seto Kaiba]

It was silly to not give the stats of the SDF-3. What if they want to play out other stuff? The SDF-3 played next to no ole in the original Sentinels story arc either but BAM we had stats.

They probably don't want to write themselves into a corner and have to write their way out when if the next installment of Shadow Chronicles comes out... same reason they left the Super Shadow Fighters out.

[jedi078]

Bummer. How difficult would it be to just convert the Sentinels one?

Not very hard...