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Tor wrote:It's a pretty sweet level, you could even (since it doesn't include any limitation preventing it) cast a spell at a HIGHER level than the god in question, if it were a god with rather low-level spellcasting abilities.

Priests aren't even limited to learning spells that the god knows nowadays. Apparently even if the god doesn't know a spell, he can impart it to a priest, which is why Viracocha's priests can do all that elemental stuff (not even Illapa's priests can do air elemental spells, LOL). In classic PRPG the priests were limited to casting spells the god knew, had to pick your patron more carefully then I s'pose.

This really adds cool reasons why gods (especially less-magerific ones) would desire priests.

Thinyser wrote:

Tor wrote:It's a pretty sweet level, you could even (since it doesn't include any limitation preventing it) cast a spell at a HIGHER level than the god in question, if it were a god with rather low-level spellcasting abilities.

Priests aren't even limited to learning spells that the god knows nowadays. Apparently even if the god doesn't know a spell, he can impart it to a priest, which is why Viracocha's priests can do all that elemental stuff (not even Illapa's priests can do air elemental spells, LOL). In classic PRPG the priests were limited to casting spells the god knew, had to pick your patron more carefully then I s'pose.

This really adds cool reasons why gods (especially less-magerific ones) would desire priests.

So the priestess in our group (who is 4th level) worships Isis (who knows all wizard spells, even spells of legend).
She (the priestess) is the secondary character of our Player who plays the Longbowman as his primary PC. We told him he either attacks or heals just to simplify matters for him since its only his time playing PFRPG. Anyhow I don't want to short change him by not fully utilizing her (the priestess') abilities. Being that the goddess has taken an active interest in our group (we are the chosen that the Jeridu prophesies spoke of) I don't think she will mind regular use of non miracle prayers.

Wondering if a normal priest (one not favored and under the god's wing as ours has been) would get unlimited access to this freakishly strong ability?

Grug wrote:You are correct, according to canon they can attempt it as often as they want.

As a gm though, I wouldn't make it as rare as miracles. But it differently would be something that as a gm if it got out hand (hey Arrin it's kind of dark in here, ask Thoth for globe of daylight, Arrin I'm thirsty and hungry ask Thoth for create bread and milk.) I'm going to have Thoth become very disappointed inyou.
Know if Arrin is only asking for help like so,"Oh great Thoth, the demon lord of cupcakes & frosting is about to destroy us. I ask you grant the spell finger of Lictalon." Then the player would get more leeway.

Sidenote: It would only be 49% at level five, you never add the + per level for level one... For anything in PFRPG. Not sure why, it's just what the book says.

glitterboy2098 wrote:i think grug has a point.. it's a prayer, so your asking for divine intervention. if it happens too often, or for poor reasons, the deity is liable to get upset with you and either stop helping you like that, or make your life difficult in other ways.

Thinyser wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:i think grug has a point.. it's a prayer, so your asking for divine intervention. if it happens too often, or for poor reasons, the deity is liable to get upset with you and either stop helping you like that, or make your life difficult in other ways.

I totally agree that would be a "realistic" way to control its (ab)use by characters, and probably a more correct way to have written the rules regarding these more potent prayers, and probably how I would house rule it I suppose. However by the rules as written its clear the prayers should work any time the character prays and makes their % check for success. The % indicates the god's chance of hearing and paying heed to the priest enough to respond by granting the request.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

Thinyser wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:i think grug has a point.. it's a prayer, so your asking for divine intervention. if it happens too often, or for poor reasons, the deity is liable to get upset with you and either stop helping you like that, or make your life difficult in other ways.

I totally agree that would be a "realistic" way to control its (ab)use by characters, and probably a more correct way to have written the rules regarding these more potent prayers, and probably how I would house rule it I suppose. However by the rules as written its clear the prayers should work any time the character prays and makes their % check for success. The % indicates the god's chance of hearing and paying heed to the priest enough to respond by granting the request.

Not exactly.
Look at the percentile as a skill check. Or better yet, a Mental Affinity check.
The GM gets a lot of say in when, where, and how you can use your skills, attribute checks, etc.
You can't just say, "I use my Mental Affinity to take over the world." The GM decides when it is or is not appropriate for you to roll, and the GM decides what is within the scope of your abilities.
If you want to use a Spell of Legend to avoid flipping on a light switch, the GM can (and should) decide that no, you don't even get to roll the dice for that.

Thinyser wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:i think grug has a point.. it's a prayer, so your asking for divine intervention. if it happens too often, or for poor reasons, the deity is liable to get upset with you and either stop helping you like that, or make your life difficult in other ways.

I totally agree that would be a "realistic" way to control its (ab)use by characters, and probably a more correct way to have written the rules regarding these more potent prayers, and probably how I would house rule it I suppose. However by the rules as written its clear the prayers should work any time the character prays and makes their % check for success. The % indicates the god's chance of hearing and paying heed to the priest enough to respond by granting the request.

I suppose if the god gets angry for being disturbed for trifling matters then he can either lower the priests level as a punishment (example of Maryanne's character) or lower their % of success (effectively the god stops listening to the priest as much) but I think that any of the goodly gods would give a warning before punishment. Something along the lines of "Stop praying for Bread and Milk every morning and get your own breakfast or you shall no longer be graced by my responses!"

Giant2005 wrote:

Thinyser wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:i think grug has a point.. it's a prayer, so your asking for divine intervention. if it happens too often, or for poor reasons, the deity is liable to get upset with you and either stop helping you like that, or make your life difficult in other ways.

I totally agree that would be a "realistic" way to control its (ab)use by characters, and probably a more correct way to have written the rules regarding these more potent prayers, and probably how I would house rule it I suppose. However by the rules as written its clear the prayers should work any time the character prays and makes their % check for success. The % indicates the god's chance of hearing and paying heed to the priest enough to respond by granting the request.

I suppose if the god gets angry for being disturbed for trifling matters then he can either lower the priests level as a punishment (example of Maryanne's character) or lower their % of success (effectively the god stops listening to the priest as much) but I think that any of the goodly gods would give a warning before punishment. Something along the lines of "Stop praying for Bread and Milk every morning and get your own breakfast or you shall no longer be graced by my responses!"

That isn't actually how it works. What you are describing are miracles, not prayers.
Prayers are all handled automatically and the God doesn't even know when or why they are happening unless he is personally auditing a particular Priest for whatever reason. Under normal circumstances, it is left entirely in the hands of the Priest.
The above is detailed on page 88 of Dragons and Gods.

Grug wrote:I still stand by my original post, especially after reading the second paragraph under the heading of 'Exchanging ppe for priest powers, on pg.88 of the Dragon & gods book.

say652 wrote:Not to mention Zues unless you're a hot chick wouldn't count on much help there.

Tor wrote:

say652 wrote:Not to mention Zues unless you're a hot chick wouldn't count on much help there.

Are you sure?