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Kagashi wrote:the flavor text says they start with much more. Comparing the PPE differences between the normal Peryton to an Energy Wizard, Id give them 15 spells to start.

silvermoon383 wrote:

Kagashi wrote:the flavor text says they start with much more. Comparing the PPE differences between the normal Peryton to an Energy Wizard, Id give them 15 spells to start.

I can find no reference to an Energy Wizard having more spells at Level 1, either in the rules or the flavor text. All I've found is references to the Wizards having access to more spells because of the greater PPE pool.

Kagashi wrote:But there are no levels of spells, just a list of spells. So you would have to modify the Rifts Mystic somehow. Additionally, are you giving them an extra magic spell per level over the Rifts Mystic since Energy Wizards do not have psionics? Like the Dewtani in Dbees of North America?

silvermoon383 wrote:

Kagashi wrote:the flavor text says they start with much more. Comparing the PPE differences between the normal Peryton to an Energy Wizard, Id give them 15 spells to start.

I can find no reference to an Energy Wizard having more spells at Level 1, either in the rules or the flavor text. All I've found is references to the Wizards having access to more spells because of the greater PPE pool.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:How many 'Energy' spells are there in the marines book?

Kagashi wrote:There are no Robotech specific spells that one might assume would be included like "Sense Protoculture" and very little spells that would make sense in a high tech environment like Frequency Jamming, Negate Mechanics, or tech-like effects like Space Magic type spells like Sticky Feet to prevent space faring Perterions from floating away from hulls of ships or even Breathe without Air. Seriously.

Lt Gargoyle wrote:why would they think to mask protoculture? It not till after the 21st mars division arrives that they discover the Invid can sense protoculture. same with sense it. Unless they are trying to tap the energy from them.

I do like the other spells. you may have just made my preyton energy wizard day.

glitterboy2098 wrote:

Kagashi wrote:There are no Robotech specific spells that one might assume would be included like "Sense Protoculture" and very little spells that would make sense in a high tech environment like Frequency Jamming, Negate Mechanics, or tech-like effects like Space Magic type spells like Sticky Feet to prevent space faring Perterions from floating away from hulls of ships or even Breathe without Air. Seriously.

the pertyonians are a largely medieval level society with limited exposure to technology even under the master's and invid's rule. nor did they travel into space much before the UEEF arrived and liberated their world.

so why would they have spells that negate technology or help them in space travel? their spells were developed to fight other pertyonians in the many conflicts on their own planet. exposure to technology and spacefaring is a very recent thing for them. them having magic developed specifically to fight the invid and help in space would be like a roman legion of 100 AD having plans in place to counter Cruise Missiles and airstrikes.

Kagashi wrote:

glitterboy2098 wrote:

Kagashi wrote:There are no Robotech specific spells that one might assume would be included like "Sense Protoculture" and very little spells that would make sense in a high tech environment like Frequency Jamming, Negate Mechanics, or tech-like effects like Space Magic type spells like Sticky Feet to prevent space faring Perterions from floating away from hulls of ships or even Breathe without Air. Seriously.

the pertyonians are a largely medieval level society with limited exposure to technology even under the master's and invid's rule. nor did they travel into space much before the UEEF arrived and liberated their world.

so why would they have spells that negate technology or help them in space travel? their spells were developed to fight other pertyonians in the many conflicts on their own planet. exposure to technology and spacefaring is a very recent thing for them. them having magic developed specifically to fight the invid and help in space would be like a roman legion of 100 AD having plans in place to counter Cruise Missiles and airstrikes.

Never really read the comic or novels beyond thumbing through, but I'm basing this off of the older write up that their technology is equivalent to 2020, which means space faring, MDC, FLT capabilities. But as both the old Sentinels write up, and the modern Marines write up describes, this "Magic" might be just an unexplained science. Regardless, their ships were capable, even if not doing it regularly, able to achieve space flight. Thats not very 'medieval' technologically, although their society may be patterned after a medieval one (Feudalism with a clear hierarchy of power) . I see it a lot like Thor Dark World where the Asguardians call it magic, but Jane Foster can explain the devices they use scientifically.

Magic, like technology, evolves with need. With the Masters, then the Invid occupation, their magic would evolve as their opposition to the conquering entities would continue. Thus the ability to cause an Invid Shocktroopers arm to stop functioning, or jam a bioroid's ability to use radar would be extremely useful and makes sense when considering the evolution of warfare during occupation.

Anyway, thats my thought process.

Kagashi wrote:I'm sure their hands were tied with certain aspects. For example, the word "Sentinels" is nowhere to be found in the book, and the word still appearing in Prelude. Somewhere down the line, HG lost the rights to the word? Perhaps this is why the world info is so vague.

Kagashi wrote:I just realized the Perytion tech from 1st edition was not included in 2d edition...luckily we got reprints from the core book instead. But it would have been a good opportunity to introduce some of their tech into 2d edition, then give them PPE power systems (similar to, but not calling it Techno Wizardry). Then Negate Magic and Dispel Magic Barriers might be a little more useful.

I think the conversions are simple enough. Bump up the damages of the lasers by a D6 and double the MDC of each craft. Add in some sort of Ley Line power system (infinite on ley lines, limited off ley lines and/or powered by the Peryton's internal reserve of PPE like a TW device).

Lt Gargoyle wrote:

Kagashi wrote:I just realized the Perytion tech from 1st edition was not included in 2d edition...luckily we got reprints from the core book instead. But it would have been a good opportunity to introduce some of their tech into 2d edition, then give them PPE power systems (similar to, but not calling it Techno Wizardry). Then Negate Magic and Dispel Magic Barriers might be a little more useful.

I think the conversions are simple enough. Bump up the damages of the lasers by a D6 and double the MDC of each craft. Add in some sort of Ley Line power system (infinite on ley lines, limited off ley lines and/or powered by the Peryton's internal reserve of PPE like a TW device).

I can fully see them as techno style wizards and would likely allow them to be kinda like that.

Kagashi wrote:

Lt Gargoyle wrote:

Kagashi wrote:I just realized the Perytion tech from 1st edition was not included in 2d edition...luckily we got reprints from the core book instead. But it would have been a good opportunity to introduce some of their tech into 2d edition, then give them PPE power systems (similar to, but not calling it Techno Wizardry). Then Negate Magic and Dispel Magic Barriers might be a little more useful.

I think the conversions are simple enough. Bump up the damages of the lasers by a D6 and double the MDC of each craft. Add in some sort of Ley Line power system (infinite on ley lines, limited off ley lines and/or powered by the Peryton's internal reserve of PPE like a TW device).

I can fully see them as techno style wizards and would likely allow them to be kinda like that.

We need to game again.

Kagashi wrote:I would add the following spells to the existing 34 spells in Marines:

Combat Magic:
Farseeing
Nightvision
Infrared Vision
TK Bullet Attack
Laser Blast
Force Bolt
Startburst
Syphon PPE (Protoculture) from Object (aka, drain Protoculture cells/e-clips)
Blast Shield
Electromagnetic Attack
Shockwave

Space Magic:
All spells level 1-12 (nothing with a PPE cost of more than 280, which is the absolute max PPE base of an Energy Wizard at level 15)

Invocations:
Manipulate Objects
Breath w/o Air
Telekinesis
Energy Field
Frequency Jamming
Sub Particle Acceleration (can charge Protoculture batteries, but with the same 15% chance of exploding)
Energy Sphere
Negate Mechanics
Null Sphere

New Invocations specifically for Robotech:
Sense Protoculture
Mask Protoculture emissions

All these spells either have value in a high tech, space faring game (which is the main setting for Robotech as a whole), or have to do with energy. You can add in any flame or fire spell as they can be considered energy too. I'd stay clear of any fantasy style spells like turning dead, talismans, creating scrolls, summoning, and so on because to me, it goes against the feel of Robotech. I would also stay clear of any empowerment or bodily enhancing spells like Superhuman Strength since it really doesn't have to do with being high tech or energy based, but they could easily be justified as simply being part of the society and I could see it making sense in a society which uses magic to enhance their abilities. After all, Giant is a spell in the 34 canon spells. That one makes sense since the majority of enemies an Energy Wizard would go up against are piloting giant mecha.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:Space Magic...when you say All do you mean just the SM in F3G or Do you mean ALL the SM from the F3G, the rifters, and from AU and AUGG?

How would you modify the F3G space magic to reflect that it is being cast in a harder sci-fi setting where the ion storms and other 'natural space phenomena' are more spread out and don't have the same effects as in the 3G?

SPA, nah..they would not charge PC e-clips in my opinion. That would make the spell a PC producing spell.

How would you write the text for the new RT spells you purposed?
Would the 'Sense PC' really be 'sense PC emissions'? (would think sensing emissions would be 1 mile per level.)
Would there be a 'Sense IFOL' spell? (I would think this one would be long ranges like 10 miles per level.)