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So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

Does the armor description state the flight pack can be removed? I imagine it can with proper tools, but what does the book say?

I'd say that no, the flight systems can not be removed from the power armor without destroying the main body of the power armor. And once it is removed, I would say that it is non-compatible with other power armors and body armors. (At least not with out some serious penalties to the Jury Rig skill)

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

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Not all the PA and robots in RUE say to use robot combat in the stat box this is just inconsistent editing.
The lack of it is not justification to use a different pilot skill. The skill to pilot PA is pilot robot/PA, robot combat basic and expert are for fighting. So the skill to fly the PA would still be pilot PA, and personally I would not be such a mean GM as to not allow bonus to the PA for taking robot combat. The skill fling PA elite table list the fling titian, if anything it would be more reasonable for some one to say you can only fight in hand to hand with the ones that say use it if you have the robot combat skill.

Blue_Lion wrote:

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

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Not all the PA and robots in RUE say to use robot combat in the stat box this is just inconsistent editing.
The lack of it is not justification to use a different pilot skill. The skill to pilot PA is pilot robot/PA, robot combat basic and expert are for fighting. So the skill to fly the PA would still be pilot PA, and personally I would not be such a mean GM as to not allow bonus to the PA for taking robot combat. The skill fling PA elite table list the fling titian, if anything it would be more reasonable for some one to say you can only fight in hand to hand with the ones that say use it if you have the robot combat skill.

Well the reason it was a question in the first place was the term exoskeleton, prior to the Northern Gun reprint the only exoskeleton I can think of off the top of my head was the Gladius (I think that was the name, Boba Fett lod armor) which stated expressly that it could be used without the PA skill.

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

While it doesn't list it in the write up for the full mecha, if you read the "Robot Combat (Elite): Flying Power Armor" description on pg352 it includes the Flying Titan in its description as one of numerous examples listed under types.

That would indicate that you use the Pilot Robots & Power Armor skill with RCE: Flying Power Armor. Now you don't necessarily need the skill to wear a suit of power armor as armor, but to fully utilize it you need the appropriate skill. I don't think the Pilot Jet Packs skill would be an appropriate stand-in, though a case might be made for Flight System Combat (Juicer) at penalty possibly (personally I would allow it at -30% penalty and all FSC bonuses are 1/2 given that FSC systems are similar to PA IMHO).

See, reading the text helps.

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

You use the power armor skill, because it is a power armor. I might let someone with the pilot jet pack skill figure things out, but I would give them a penalty to their skill because, while the power armor uses a flight pack, it's got a lot of other features that could really mess up your flight.

I'd say it would be possible to pull the flight pack off a titan and use it elsewhere, but it would be difficult; it's not a snap-off, snap-on situation, but a "remove a significant portion of the power armor's structure (including the only place likely to hold the power source), then figure out a way to incorporate that into another suit of armor, including bodging up some controls that are usually integral."

Possible, since Rifts is essentially Junkyard Wars with Nazis and Dragons, but not simple.

Jury rig is one thing, robot or mechanical engineer with a shop is much better

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

The Flying titan has an Augmented PS of 24. (RUE 2nd printing) Use the Augmented PS damage table to find the h2h Strike damages.

The FT is listed as to be part of the Flying PA PA Combat E.

In the RMB the flight systems was the whole of the FT. The pilot wore Body armor to which the FT "strapped" onto.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

The Flying titan has an Augmented PS of 24. Use the Augmented PS damage table to find the h2h Strike damages.

The FT is listed as to be part of the Flying PA PA Combat E.

In the RMB the flight systems was the whole of the FT. The pilot wore Body armor to which the FT "strapped" onto.

Which printing is that in?
In my current copy (Second Printing) it has robotic legs, a main body MDC and all the other features of a power armor.

As for use....
I would say that if your using a jet pack then you use the jet pack skill. So if you put a jet pack on a Sampson and are flying around you roll against BOTH Pilot: PA and Pilot: Jet Pack to fly it.
If your flying a purpose built flying power armor you roll against Pilot: PA since that is a built in control system

And if you want to custom build a special suit using parts of multiple suits that is what an operator with the robot engineer skill was created for, that is not any sort of jury rig skill.....

drewkitty wrote:In the RMB the flight systems was the whole of the FT. The pilot wore Body armor to which the FT "strapped" onto.

Based on what? Because I'm looking at the writeup and I don't see anything that suggests this beyond maybe the MDC by Location list, but that really doesn't fly given that the Samson (preceding it) and Samas Power Armor use the same basic approach (no arm/leg stats). In fact the only Power Armor in the RMB with leg/arm stats is the Glitterboy. Even WB2 (first WB w/PA) is hit/miss with limb assignments, and I don't think it gets any better until one gets closer to the WB11 revision when Body Armor acquired limb/head locations that was previously missing.

As far as I know it was always PA but lacked built in main weapon.

isawarenshi wrote:So per the RUE while the flying titan says it can do mdc melee damage it does not state in the stat block you use robot combat basic or elite. Would that mean you could use the flying titan with the pilot jet pack skill as opposed to the pilot power armor skill? Or do you think it would be possible to pull the flight pack off the titan to use on other types of non exoskeleton armor?

Flying titan is light flying power armor so it works the same as SAMAS combat does. The flight pack is likely detatchable in the same way the SAMAS one is but its a specialty jet pack built to lift power armor. Even if jury rigged to work at all I am not certain how safe or possible it would be to use the pack without the power armor.


Flying titan is very light power armor along the lines of some of the newer NG2 ones and the terrain hopper armor. Minimal armament and light armor. Basically an inexpensive flying scout power armor. Until additions of things like the blue/red hawk from the NG and the bandito arms samas variants it was one of the few truly flying PA that was generally accessible on the open market.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:In the RMB the flight systems was the whole of the FT. The pilot wore Body armor to which the FT "strapped" onto.

My apologies I was working from memory and I was incorrect.

The Flying Titan was pretty much the only PA that stock could load SRMs, even now there aren't that many.

Flying Titan + naruni force field + 2xFIWS = awesome.

The SRM's is one of the main reason I always use the Flying Titan as my go to power armor. FIWS is the Forearm Integrated Weapon System from Juicer Uprising, right?

I wouldn't have a problem either using Bionic Weapons to further augment the FTPA since those systems can be used in making 'bots (SB1o/r).

Personally I'd also upgrade the lasers for more potency, or look to augment them with a separate system.

dragonfett wrote:The SRM's is one of the main reason I always use the Flying Titan as my go to power armor. FIWS is the Forearm Integrated Weapon System from Juicer Uprising, right?

That they are, forearm mounted particle beams and vibro claws.

ShadowLogan wrote:I wouldn't have a problem either using Bionic Weapons to further augment the FTPA since those systems can be used in making 'bots (SB1o/r).

Personally I'd also upgrade the lasers for more potency, or look to augment them with a separate system.

What about adding a combat computer to the lasers so they can auto-fire at incoming missiles?

I don't see why you couldn't technically add a computer control for anti-missile defense, though you would need to sacrifice the lasers (or another system) to do it for that melee action period.

We have examples of PA sized bots, and those bots can't all be computer/sensor. We also have examples of automated guns on a PA (Juicer Uprising), and even automated guns that are much smaller (capable of being wielded by PA), so again we see it can be done.

Aren't the lasers forward facing? If you've got to angle them anyway, they might as well use your action and bonuses.

No the FTPA's lasers are not fixed, they are "A tiny laser turret" "mounted on the underside of each wing" per the text description of the system in question.

Well, then time for a software upgrade.