VF Speed Issue That's been Bugging me
Posted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 8:11 am
Why do the later generation Veritech Fighters have higher speeds in their alt (non-fighter) modes than the VF-1 in almost every case (the only two exceptions are AGAC Helicopter treated as a guardian AND the Beta in guardian)? Yet in Fighter Mode they only have 35-70% the speed of the VF-1 at its listed altitudes? This just seems to make little sense to me to put emphasis on alt-mode speed, and it would seem to run counter to the idea of a technological backslide given these are arguably the least aerodynamic modes so should have lower speeds in comparison to the more aerodynamic VF-1. Any technologies the later VFs could have for G/B modes should in theory also work for F mode (and better in F mode I suspect)
For reference I am using 2E RPG/RT.com Infopedia classification for alt modes AND Speeds for all modes (I am using the slightly higher numbers in the 2E RPG for the VF-1 outside of Sea Level, otherwise they all match?). Results compared to the VF-1 in a given mode (VFH-10 and VF-8 do not have official "Guardian" modes by the official thinking, even though Marie specifically calls the Logan's alt mode "guardian", and the AGAC well a helicopter has physics that limit its airspeed):
-VFA-6H/I/S/X is ~136% in Guardian mode, and ~160% in Battloid mode
-VFA-6Z is 155% in Guardian mode, and ~190% in Battloid mode
-VBF-9A/S is equal in Guardian mode, but ~250% in Battloid mode
-VFH-10 is ~155% in Battloid mode (if we treat it's helicopter mode as comparable to Guardian it only has ~77%)
-VF-8 is ~180% in Battloid mode (though if we go by the dialogue it is Guardian mode, and would be 70%)
This means that if the Battloid mode stats are used as reference, then the other mecha should be similarly faster than the VF-1 in their other modes to. Battloid mode seems appropriate as canonically they all have one. So what do the later VFs look like if we use Battloid mode ratios to adjust the G/F modes? And for simplicity use the Sea Level speed in Fighter mode and retain the same altitude ratios (so if at 10k you are 40% faster than at sea level under the canon stats, adjusting it you'd still be 40% faster than sea level with the "fanon" stat). Well this is what they would look like (Quick and dirty Mach speed at various listed altitudes is approx. 1 Mach per 1000kph):
VF-1 is Unchanged
VFA-6H/I/X/S
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 2755kph (3250kph with Z model)
10k meter: 4760kph (5553kph with Z model)
30k meter: 7516kph (8803kph with Z model)
Guardian Mode: 804kph all altitudes (948kph with Z model)
VFB-1A/S
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 4257kph
18k meter: 11738kph
45k meter: 54131kph (Ballistic, which would actually allow the Beta to achieve Earth Escape Velocity easily)
Guardian Mode: 1242kph all altitudes
VFH-10
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 2649kph
30k meter: 4398kph
Guardian Mode: As Helicopter
VF-8
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 3091kph
10k meter: 6624kph
Guardian Mode: No Guardian Mode (by HG's Official line)
For reference I am using 2E RPG/RT.com Infopedia classification for alt modes AND Speeds for all modes (I am using the slightly higher numbers in the 2E RPG for the VF-1 outside of Sea Level, otherwise they all match?). Results compared to the VF-1 in a given mode (VFH-10 and VF-8 do not have official "Guardian" modes by the official thinking, even though Marie specifically calls the Logan's alt mode "guardian", and the AGAC well a helicopter has physics that limit its airspeed):
-VFA-6H/I/S/X is ~136% in Guardian mode, and ~160% in Battloid mode
-VFA-6Z is 155% in Guardian mode, and ~190% in Battloid mode
-VBF-9A/S is equal in Guardian mode, but ~250% in Battloid mode
-VFH-10 is ~155% in Battloid mode (if we treat it's helicopter mode as comparable to Guardian it only has ~77%)
-VF-8 is ~180% in Battloid mode (though if we go by the dialogue it is Guardian mode, and would be 70%)
This means that if the Battloid mode stats are used as reference, then the other mecha should be similarly faster than the VF-1 in their other modes to. Battloid mode seems appropriate as canonically they all have one. So what do the later VFs look like if we use Battloid mode ratios to adjust the G/F modes? And for simplicity use the Sea Level speed in Fighter mode and retain the same altitude ratios (so if at 10k you are 40% faster than at sea level under the canon stats, adjusting it you'd still be 40% faster than sea level with the "fanon" stat). Well this is what they would look like (Quick and dirty Mach speed at various listed altitudes is approx. 1 Mach per 1000kph):
VF-1 is Unchanged
VFA-6H/I/X/S
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 2755kph (3250kph with Z model)
10k meter: 4760kph (5553kph with Z model)
30k meter: 7516kph (8803kph with Z model)
Guardian Mode: 804kph all altitudes (948kph with Z model)
VFB-1A/S
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 4257kph
18k meter: 11738kph
45k meter: 54131kph (Ballistic, which would actually allow the Beta to achieve Earth Escape Velocity easily)
Guardian Mode: 1242kph all altitudes
VFH-10
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 2649kph
30k meter: 4398kph
Guardian Mode: As Helicopter
VF-8
Fighter Mode
Sea Level: 3091kph
10k meter: 6624kph
Guardian Mode: No Guardian Mode (by HG's Official line)