TW Device question

[yrtalien]

When creating a TW device using the optional RUE rules can you create something with a Device Level higher than your actual TW level?

Does device level set the level of the of the effect when you activate it say Eyes of Thoth with a 10 min / Lvl duration made at Device level 5. Would my 2nd level TW paying the activation cost on the monocle have a 20 min duration or a 50 minn duration?

Thanks a little confused but like my TW.

[eliakon]

When creating a TW device using the optional RUE rules can you create something with a Device Level higher than your actual TW level?

Does device level set the level of the of the effect when you activate it say Eyes of Thoth with a 10 min / Lvl duration made at Device level 5. Would my 2nd level TW paying the activation cost on the monocle have a 20 min duration or a 50 minn duration?

Thanks a little confused but like my TW.

No
Your Device level is the LOWER of your class level, or the level you set it to. You can't make a device that is a better mage than you are in other words.

And yes, device level controls ALL variables. The spell is cast at the Device level. So your 2nd level TW would make a monocle that lasts 20 minutes. Anyone that uses that monocle gets 20 minutes of duration. If Bob the 15th level TW makes an identical monocle with a DL of 15, then anyone using that one gets 150 minutes. This also affects range, damage, saves and anything else.

[yrtalien]

TY very much... exactly what I needed.

When creating a TW device using the optional RUE rules can you create something with a Device Level higher than your actual TW level?

Does device level set the level of the of the effect when you activate it say Eyes of Thoth with a 10 min / Lvl duration made at Device level 5. Would my 2nd level TW paying the activation cost on the monocle have a 20 min duration or a 50 minn duration?

Thanks a little confused but like my TW.

No
Your Device level is the LOWER of your class level, or the level you set it to. You can't make a device that is a better mage than you are in other words.

And yes, device level controls ALL variables. The spell is cast at the Device level. So your 2nd level TW would make a monocle that lasts 20 minutes. Anyone that uses that monocle gets 20 minutes of duration. If Bob the 15th level TW makes an identical monocle with a DL of 15, then anyone using that one gets 150 minutes. This also affects range, damage, saves and anything else.

[ShadowLogan]

No you can not create something with a Device Level higher than your actual TW Level

RUE pg32 under lexicon of Techno-Wizardry for Device Level: "This is the level at which the device functions, which by default is the level of the Techno-Wizard creator. This may be lowered to make the device faster and easier to build, but may not be increased beyond the level of the Techno-Wizard."

This means that your 2nd Level TW character can only make Device Level 1-2.

IMHO They could attempt to produce a higher device level item as a lower level device, but performance would suffer (since the spells would be at lower "strength"). Ex. a TW could make a TK Gun that is normally DL5, at DL2 strength.

[Mack]

I'll pile on here.

When creating a TW device using the optional RUE rules can you create something with a Device Level higher than your actual TW level?

No. The Device Level may not be higher than the TW who creates it.

Does device level set the level of the of the effect when you activate it say Eyes of Thoth with a 10 min / Lvl duration made at Device level 5. Would my 2nd level TW paying the activation cost on the monocle have a 20 min duration or a 50 minn duration?

The user's level is irrelevant. The effect would last for 50 minutes regardless of who activates it.

Thanks a little confused but like my TW.

No problem! The TW rules in RUE are not for the faint of heart. They take a considerable amount of time and energy to really understand.

[taalismn]

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No problem! The TW rules in RUE are not for the faint of heart. They take a considerable amount of time and energy to really understand.

So it's sometimes easier and faster to buy off-the-rack than do-it-yourself.

[Mack]

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No problem! The TW rules in RUE are not for the faint of heart. They take a considerable amount of time and energy to really understand.

So it's sometimes easier and faster to buy off-the-rack than do-it-yourself.

Undoubtedly. The TW rules are cumbersome, and the presentation often lacks clarity. Just understanding the formulas can take a while.

While I enjoy the TW class and what it brings to Rifts, only with reluctance would I ever recommend playing one. It's a class much better suited to being "Q" rather than "James Bond."

Here's a longer post on the subject, with my comments at the bottom.

[Mlp7029]

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No problem! The TW rules in RUE are not for the faint of heart. They take a considerable amount of time and energy to really understand.

So it's sometimes easier and faster to buy off-the-rack than do-it-yourself.

If you follow the pricing rule sin RUE which set the Black Market price at basically the materials cost with no labor cost included then it is definitely easier to buy off the shelf. My temporal wizard character has paid a couple of NPC TWs for item in Time Hole scrolls. Provided the TW can lift the equipment and material needed Time Hole works great for building items.