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Hey everyone, I see a lot of player try to make half breed characters often to make them stronger but have you or your players ever made a character that was half breed with as many negatives as positives or more that actually weakened the character? If so, please share. Thanks. Also in your opinions would there be any half and half combinations that would be more likely to have an insanity? Thanks.

That term is generally considered to be offensive. You might instead go with the words hybrid or interspecies, particularly since this is meant in a fantasy context.

Taking a cue from some of the more common Earth hybrids, one could play around with designer plant people, who could quickly grow some marketable product like fruit, flowers, or pollen, but are left susceptible to disease, or barely able to move, or subject to having foreign plant stock grafted to their bodies. Alternatively, maybe canid humanoids underwent a time similar to the Victorian Era, where selective breeding led to all sorts of people with breathing problems or hip dysplasia or shorter lifespan as the result of generations of inbreeding, but were found cute or were optimised for a certain purpose. Perhaps felid humanoids are often forced into specific pairings by their dinosaurid overlords so as to create 2 infertile slave castes, with Ligerians prone to gigantism so as to be put to the use in the gladiatorial ring, while Pumapardites prone to dwarfism are sent to work as slaves in lunar mines.

The general rule is, Palladium has NO half-breed or hybrid races. The rule is based on logic, the chances of two different species mating successfully is near zero. An elf and a human my be similar in appearance, but they evolved on different worlds. They're no more compatible than a horse and a spider.

That said, if you want a hybrid, why not design a race with the attributes you want, and describe the new race as having the appearance of the two races combined? Examples:

The Trelves, Tall, strong, and mean, the Trelves resemble nothing more than a nine foot tall elf with tusks. They live under wooden bridges, and are the most beautiful monsters you will ever see.

Dwargons, short, gruff, bearded, and scaled, these winged builders breathe fire and have elaborate underground lairs filled with gold and jewels they've dug up themselves.

Wolfenpucks, a race of tiny fuzzballs that resemble 3 foot tall wolfen with faerie wings. Friendly and playful, wolfenpucks are drawn to adventure and excitement!

ITWastrel wrote:They're no more compatible than a horse and a spider.

We've already got flying carnivorous horses (dragondactyls), so if we ever end up with 8 legged carnivorous subterranean horses, I now know exactly who would be to blame....

ITWastrel wrote:The general rule is, Palladium has NO half-breed or hybrid races. The rule is based on logic, the chances of two different species mating successfully is near zero. An elf and a human my be similar in appearance, but they evolved on different worlds. ...snip

Except for the deific exception, it is specifically stated that there are no racial cross breeding within any gamebook written by PB. For the scientific reasons.
Side-note: the elvish race was created by the Old Ones and the Lizard Mage race.

Yes there are all those human sub-groups intermingling. These have bee discussed to green goo about four or five times in the past 20 years. you can probably find these discussions be sourcing these forums.

Thanks everyone. I was unaware half-breeds were not really a thing in palladium games. I guess that was just a house rule my group had. I did like the ideas shared though. Thanks.


I do want to address this and insert some logic.

Curbludgeon wrote:That term is generally considered to be offensive. You might instead go with the words hybrid or interspecies, particularly since this is meant in a fantasy context.

We are talking about imaginary characters in a fake setting. As none of these things actually exist, they cannot be offended. By this line of logic, using the term half-breeds to describe creatures or beings that don't actually exist is not offensive.

There's no need for insinuating my comment was illogical. The term "half breed" exists, and is consistently used in a derogatory context. Even the 19th century U.S. political faction of that name was derived as an insult. No one is suggesting that some fictional character, as a half elf, is offended on the behalf of all minotaurs or anything. If someone was publicly talking about dragons by way of crudely joking about their reproduction, a parent there with a small child could take issue with the language alone, independent of any referent.

Curbludgeon wrote:There's no need for insinuating my comment was illogical. The term "half breed" exists, and is consistently used in a derogatory context. Even the 19th century U.S. political faction of that name was derived as an insult. No one is suggesting that some fictional character, as a half elf, is offended on the behalf of all minotaurs or anything. If someone was publicly talking about dragons by way of crudely joking about their reproduction, a parent there with a small child could take issue with the language alone, independent of any referent.

I have to agree that some terms can be inherently offensive, no matter the context.

Half-breed may have once been a completely innocuous term, but since the 1800s it's been used by racists and to denigrate multiracial children.

My mother has described the horrid treatment she endured growing up biracial. To her, the term half-breed might as well be the N-word. If you ever want to see a tiny, very angry, septuagenarian, just say half-breed within earshot of my mama.

Since the discussion has turned toward one about offensive language....

That the term is " generally considered to be offensive" is the part I'd have to disagree with. Yes, it can be offensive when used in the context of trying to being insulting. Just like using the words infantile, and juvenile are not inherently offensive, except when they are being used to insult someone.

If taking the grumpy ones logic he should be complaining to himself for his own use offensive language. Since he is not, he is just being hypocritical in his own statements, since his deeds say it is alright to insult and troll others.

Side note: the slang word derived from name Nigeria in England has the meaning: goldbricker (my dad had a boss from England and he carried around a English dictionary with him to show people this), and in chinese it is their 'thinking sound' much like the American aaahhh (this was in the news in the early part of December).

drewkitty ~..~ wrote: If taking the grumpy ones logic he should be complaining to himself for his own use offensive language. Since he is not, he is just being hypocritical in his own statements, since his deeds say it is alright to insult and troll others.

Not to be a jerk, but "the grumpy one" identifies as a "They/Them". They have it in their personal information that pops up under their picture when they post.

Thom001 wrote:Thanks everyone. I was unaware half-breeds were not really a thing in palladium games. I guess that was just a house rule my group had. I did like the ideas shared though. Thanks.


I do want to address this and insert some logic.

Curbludgeon wrote:That term is generally considered to be offensive. You might instead go with the words hybrid or interspecies, particularly since this is meant in a fantasy context.

We are talking about imaginary characters in a fake setting. As none of these things actually exist, they cannot be offended. By this line of logic, using the term half-breeds to describe creatures or beings that don't actually exist is not offensive.

I agree, the politically correct need to take a breath.
The world was a better place when cry-babies weren't pandered to, including in fantasy and sci-fi settings. The episodes of STD I've seen are a prime example of what happens when things are allowed to go as far as they can.

That said, I can see why Palladium doesn't allow for half-breeds of various races. Sure in a lot of settings, half-elves are fairly integral, as are half-orcs; but Palladium went partially away from Tolkien with half-elves, and forged their own path. Of course they went along with the elves being a diminishing race, but whatever...

ITWastrel wrote:The general rule is, Palladium has NO half-breed or hybrid races. The rule is based on logic, the chances of two different species mating successfully is near zero. An elf and a human my be similar in appearance, but they evolved on different worlds. They're no more compatible than a horse and a spider.

Outside of specific cases (Deific or due to Licensed Property*) the result when two races that are compatible for breeding is that the off spring will be a full member of one race not some mix of the two.

*Licensed Property is forced on Palladium due to the properties setting calling for it (example Robotech and Macross 2 lines both had hybrid offspring characters) that did not follow the Palladium rule of the off spring being fully one race of the parent in terms of attributes and such. 1E Robotech treated Dana as a fluke (one-of-kind IIRC), but 2E did allow for it as did the Macross 2 line.

Captain_Nibbz wrote:

drewkitty ~..~ wrote: If taking the grumpy ones logic he should be complaining to himself for his own use offensive language. Since he is not, he is just being hypocritical in his own statements, since his deeds say it is alright to insult and troll others.

Not to be a jerk, but "the grumpy one" identifies as a "They/Them". They have it in their personal information that pops up under their picture when they post.

If Curbludgeon don't want people 'not to care' if the pronoun use to short cut wording instead of Curbludgeon's screen name, then Curbludgeon shouldn't insult others left and right.

Curbludgeon has named Curbludgeon rightly. And earned a place on my foe list, due to Curbludgeon's Curbludgeony words here in this board. Curbludgeon has reaped what Curbludgeon sewed.

Maybe in a few years if Curbludgeon doesn't live out Curbludgeon's screen name....

I am truly saddened by the people in this thread disregarding a person's pronouns, and those decrying respect for other people.

Respecting someone's pronouns is a simple way to say "I respect you as a person." You may not understand or even care about their journey, but as a human being it's paramount to respect each other.*

Being "politically correct" isn't about keeping "crybabies" happy, it's about giving literally everyone respect as a human being. Perhaps some of you forgot that part. Just because the redhat maga-morons were in charge of the US for a while doesn't mean the rest of the world must accept their racist, sexist, closed minded bigotry.

Don't mistake loud bigotry for allowed bigotry, please.

Sadly, I expected better here.

*Even if they're a bit grumpy.

I don't get why a "political correctness gone mad" spiel gets so often followed by spamming language previously recognized as being questionable. It's almost a form of verbal coal rolling; it's doesn't so much "own" another person as seem confusingly performative.

Even if the phrase in the thread title didn't have two centuries of well-known problematic use behind it, it's still not the accurate term for what's described in this thread. My intitial statement wasn't intended as contentious, or inventing something out of whole cloth.

I'd be interested in a outer space setting with two sapient species diverging from a recent common ancestor that don't reproduce due to social reasons. An example of such might be the Badoon from Marvel Comics, where the male and female populations split long ago and reproduce with technology. Perhaps the long forgotten reason these groups don't intermingle is some trait such that a double recessive allele leads to some atavistic throwback only now remembered as a folkloric cryptid.

What you quoted Pry was me just using his screen name each time I would of used it or a pronoun.

And no I didn't turn his screen name into a descriptor, that person chose a screen name that accurately describe himself. Don't try to put any blame on me, for his own choices.

And note, I didn't say he attacked me in this topic, but that he was being hypocritical in his claims that certain words are insulting (even if not intended to be), when he himself has used words on this board intending them to be insulting. That he was insulting me in the times I noticed him being insulting has no bering wether or not he did the insulting.

ITWastrel wrote:I am truly saddened by the people in this thread disregarding a person's pronouns, and those decrying respect for other people.

Respecting someone's pronouns is a simple way to say "I respect you as a person." You may not understand or even care about their journey, but as a human being it's paramount to respect each other.*

Being "politically correct" isn't about keeping "crybabies" happy, it's about giving literally everyone respect as a human being. Perhaps some of you forgot that part. Just because the redhat maga-morons were in charge of the US for a while doesn't mean the rest of the world must accept their racist, sexist, closed minded bigotry.

Don't mistake loud bigotry for allowed bigotry, please.

Sadly, I expected better here.

*Even if they're a bit grumpy.

From what I've seen of the politically correct, it's about showing respect to people who agree with them fully.
Otherwise they're racist, sexist maga-morons, as you've said.

Fenris2020 wrote:
From what I've seen of the politically correct, it's about showing respect to people who agree with them fully.
Otherwise they're racist, sexist maga-morons, as you've said.

So what you are saying is that it is alright to treat others as dirt if they don't agree with you? Cause that is how it reads to me.

Or were you being sardonic and meaning that 'it is all a big joke'?

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Fenris2020 wrote:
From what I've seen of the politically correct, it's about showing respect to people who agree with them fully.
Otherwise they're racist, sexist maga-morons, as you've said.

So what you are saying is that it is alright to treat others as dirt if they don't agree with you? Cause that is how it reads to me.

Or were you being sardonic and meaning that 'it is all a big joke'?

That's exactly how the politically correct treat people who don't agree with them 100%, yes.
And it is a joke. Just not a very funny one

Fenris2020 wrote: Just not a very funny one

And here I agree with you.

At this point we're treading pretty far into "Sound Off" territory, and very far from the original topic. If anyone actually wants to have this conversation I suggest posting a thread over there. Otherwise, it would seem that this topic has found a resolution to the original question.

Captain_Nibbz wrote:At this point we're treading pretty far into "Sound Off" territory, and very far from the original topic. If anyone actually wants to have this conversation I suggest posting a thread over there. Otherwise, it would seem that this topic has found a resolution to the original question.

Whatever the hell Sound Off is, sure

Fenris2020 wrote:

Captain_Nibbz wrote:At this point we're treading pretty far into "Sound Off" territory, and very far from the original topic. If anyone actually wants to have this conversation I suggest posting a thread over there. Otherwise, it would seem that this topic has found a resolution to the original question.

Whatever the hell Sound Off is, sure

Sound Off is the off-topic political board on these forums. They have it set to hidden because there is a long history of fighting and trolling on it. You have to request access and be approved by a Mod. Check under your board settings on your profile to request access if your interested.