Do you think City of Caseade can wokr as it's own book?

[gaby]

Do you think City of Caseade can wokr as it,s own book?
They need to Add few more Npcs,Maps,All the Spicial Training updates from Rifter.

What do you think is needed to make a City of Caseade,s book?

[drewkitty ~..~]

Based on PB's past work I would expect any book of that area to be a regional book. Whit several cities within it. This is besides that I think it was covered in the New West and Spirit West books...at least in a general since of the aspects of those two books covered.

It might be interesting if there was there was some sort of 'places of interest' that happened between now the play era.
Maybe the real 'lady of the lake' move from England to one of the lakes in the region. [Or maybe Nessy move to one of the lakes.] Or maybe there was an Arcology that was isolated and mostly untouched by the coming to the rifts.
Or their was a D-rift that moved the region as a whole in time from the coming of the rifts to the play era. So suddenly there is a population of the CS in the backwoods with their pre-rifts culture intact. Or part of the Altess military base on the dimensionally unstable planet got moved there.

[Daniel Stoker]

What's City of Caseade?


Daniel Stoker

[Warshield73]

Setting books are tricky and if I were you I would look at Century Station for ideas as to what to add.

A few things I think it would need
- First and foremost is originality. You need new Corporations, new NPCs, new villains. Should go without saying but I'm saying it.
- Second and this is going to sound stupid it needs to be Heroes Unlimited. You need some things that connect it to the other books like corporations or NPCs but at least a few. Even connections to other PB properties like Wilks, Triax, KLS, Cyberworks.
- Maps with descriptions and a few specific locations.
- Police NPCs. Good, bad and the average.
- City government. The elected officials, rivals, and the unofficial power players.
- History. Why is place special and why am I adventuring here.
- Finally it needs a guide for what player characters are appropriate for the setting since it is supposed to be a more street level game.

Just a few thought but I really liked what was in Rifter 84.

[Curbludgeon]

Mr. Stoker, The Dark City of Cascade is an article found in Rifter 84. Originally an advertised book based on a proposal from Erick Wujick, it details a Heroes Unlimited city that exchanges an emphasis on superpowers for more mundane crime with supernatural background elements. It's not too dissimilar from a fictional Detroit where the Fermi 1 accident was due to the plant being on a ley line, subsequently attracting Entities. While organized crime, as directed by a group of semi-anonymous Arbiters, is both so ubiquitous and efficient that Cascade serves as a regional hub for brokering illicit deals, rather than any sort of Robocop resistance comes in the form of the occasional hunted vigilante.

I honestly hope Palladium doesn't try to publish a Cascade City book. Setting books live or die on two things: engaging elements, and good advice on how to apply them. It's all too easy to make shovelware of the former, particularly given the inflated footprint PB character stats often have, and the latter is often only thrown in as an afterthought. I also strongly suspect a Cascade book would lean towards Wujicksploitation. Better, perhaps, that if a new HU book gets made it could be more broadly applicable.

If one has access to them, I'd recommend taking a look at the Noir and Iron Age sourcebooks for Mutants & Masterminds 2nd edition. While they contain plently of archetypes one could reference when writing up NPCs for a Cascade game, much like with GURPS books the best part is the system-agnostic advice on how best to capture such a setting's theme.

[drewkitty ~..~]

What's City of Caseade?


Daniel Stoker

When I googled it it came up with city in Idaho.
And now looking back I totally when rifts in my text...*rolleyes @ self*
Thou the OP could of given some 'context' to the question that was asked.

Setting books are tricky and if I were you I would look at Century Station for ideas as to what to add.

If you are writing up a city book (any)...yup.

[Stone Gargoyle]

Dark City of Cascade in the Rifter article is not developed enough to get its own book. What I would like to see is a Cities Unlimited book that tells me how to make my own cities for my campaigns.

[zerombr]

yeah its not too developed, I didn't want to get too deep in it for just a rifter article. Honestly I'm not sure what more I'd add to really fill it out.

[Soldier of Od]

I definitely think Cascade would work as it's own book - with some expansion. The obvious thing to do is to include as an extra all of the revised Physical/Special Training class write ups in the recent Rifters, as these are connected to the article about the city. If there are any training classes not already written about there (are can't remember if the articles covered them all), then add those.

I recently GM'd a one-shot set in the city of Cascade, using pre-generated low-level heroes, most of whom were made using the Rifter articles. It was a lot of fun!

[zerombr]

I definitely think Cascade would work as it's own book - with some expansion. The obvious thing to do is to include as an extra all of the revised Physical/Special Training class write ups in the recent Rifters, as these are connected to the article about the city. If there are any training classes not already written about there (are can't remember if the articles covered them all), then add those.

I recently GM'd a one-shot set in the city of Cascade, using pre-generated low-level heroes, most of whom were made using the Rifter articles. It was a lot of fun!

Oh that warms my heart to hear you enjoyed it! And yeah I figured if it was a small sourcebook I'd do exactly that, but I feel I need to really push deeper into the city itself, I am just not sure what to add. Minutia is something I struggle with. I want to do a section regarding the Down, because that could be a ton of fun, but not sure what else.

[Soldier of Od]

I definitely think Cascade would work as it's own book - with some expansion. The obvious thing to do is to include as an extra all of the revised Physical/Special Training class write ups in the recent Rifters, as these are connected to the article about the city. If there are any training classes not already written about there (are can't remember if the articles covered them all), then add those.

I recently GM'd a one-shot set in the city of Cascade, using pre-generated low-level heroes, most of whom were made using the Rifter articles. It was a lot of fun!

Oh that warms my heart to hear you enjoyed it! And yeah I figured if it was a small sourcebook I'd do exactly that, but I feel I need to really push deeper into the city itself, I am just not sure what to add. Minutia is something I struggle with. I want to do a section regarding the Down, because that could be a ton of fun, but not sure what else.

I bet if you started to write a more detailed version of the Down, during the process you would end up thinking of more stuff that would work for the rest of the city and ideas would spread from there. Then write an adventure for the back of the book!

[The Oh So Amazing Nate]

I fully support a Dark City of Cascade book and would put in a pre-order for it. ( I suppose I could just send you the money directly via paypal). I had a huge amount of fun when you ran our characters through it. You gave us just enough of a taste for the different regions and areas of the city that it made my imagination's mouth water wanting more details.

Write it up, compile it. Add maps, npc's (You already have 1/2 a doxzen police npc's if I recall), and places of interest. Heck, add the Big Brown Hound and his humorously antagonistic relationship with CCPD
Det.'s Yindel and D'acosta(?)

I think if you flesh out the different regions you should have enough for a moderate sized book.

[zerombr]

your approval fills me with joy. Many thanks to the Hound and his compatriots.

[gaby]

I will love a Book on 3 H.U,s Cities,One of them being Caseade from Rifter 84,I also Hope they add Updated Special Trainering types from Rifter.

[Stone Gargoyle]

I will love a Book on 3 H.U,s Cities,One of them being Caseade from Rifter 84,I also Hope they add Updated Special Trainering types from Rifter.

They don't need to tack the special training types from Rifter to everything. They need to have a special Training Unlimited book for those. That way people won't have to buy it if they don't want to. I have already said they need a citybuilder book. In the past they have made premade settings books with each city having its own book, such as Century Station and Gramercy Island. Something like that would also be acceptable.

[zerombr]

instead of a city builder, I think there's more use for a book about how superhuman activities work. Like, I can't tell you much about how a money laundering operation goes, so maybe a section that does a generic explanation about how 20 types of organizations work. "Oh for this sort of weapons sales, you'd need a distribution, and transporting, and manufacturing etc..."

Might just be me, lol

[Warshield73]

instead of a city builder, I think there's more use for a book about how superhuman activities work. Like, I can't tell you much about how a money laundering operation goes, so maybe a section that does a generic explanation about how 20 types of organizations work. "Oh for this sort of weapons sales, you'd need a distribution, and transporting, and manufacturing etc..."

Might just be me, lol

I think a book of generic things like this would work well for all the modern games - HU, BTS, even Nightbane and Ninjas & Superspys

Add in a generic sherriffs department, a generic city hall, generic gun store, etc.

[Stone Gargoyle]

instead of a city builder, I think there's more use for a book about how superhuman activities work. Like, I can't tell you much about how a money laundering operation goes, so maybe a section that does a generic explanation about how 20 types of organizations work. "Oh for this sort of weapons sales, you'd need a distribution, and transporting, and manufacturing etc..."

Might just be me, lol

So a how-to guide on crimes for the GM. Brilliant!

[zerombr]

glad you think so, Stone. Maybe if this gets some more support, maybe that's what I need to do next.

[Stone Gargoyle]

glad you think so, Stone. Maybe if this gets some more support, maybe that's what I need to do next.

I'd buy it. But books are so slow in getting published I'm not going to hold my breath.

[gaby]

With Palladium books ending Rifter,I think it,s time to add a few New Books to Not Just Rifts but H.U,PFrpg abd BtS.

Do you thin they will do it?

[Stone Gargoyle]

With Palladium books ending Rifter,I think it,s time to add a few New Books to Not Just Rifts but H.U,PFrpg abd BtS.

Do you thin they will do it?

You're trying to hijack this thread. Stop it.

[taalismn]

With Palladium books ending Rifter,I think it,s time to add a few New Books to Not Just Rifts but H.U,PFrpg abd BtS.

Do you thin they will do it?

This broad a topic change really should go to the All Things Palladium or Palladium Wishlist forums, since it asks questions of what PB's plans should be given the current RPG economy.

[gaby]

Sorry.

[Stone Gargoyle]

With Palladium books ending Rifter,I think it,s time to add a few New Books to Not Just Rifts but H.U,PFrpg abd BtS.

Do you thin they will do it?

This broad a topic change really should go to the All Things Palladium or Palladium Wishlist forums, since it asks questions of what PB's plans should be given the current RPG economy.

Given the fact that Kevin has already said they are working on more books, does it even need to be discussed? We all know Kevin wants to put out more books, he just doesn't get them out in a timely manner if at all.

[dataweaver]

I would buy a City of Cascade book; but not for the City of Cascade itself. I would buy it for being, in effect, “Training Unlimited”: a book that focuses on those heroes that have Physical Training and Special Training; and where uber-competence dominates, not hypertechnology, supernatural abilities, mutations, or other exotic powers. The closest you should get to the supernatural should be the stage magician's illusions; the closest you should get to hypertech should be the secret agent's gadgets; and the closest you should get to exotic abilities should be the ancient master's martial arts.

Cascade itself only interests me as a worked example of a setting dominated by training; and I'd frankly be more interested in a Training Unlimited book with a Cascade City appendix than in a Cascade City book.