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While I was trying to calculate how powerful a Dominator Star Fortress is compared to Three Galaxies ships I ran into a familiar problem, we have no idea how big any of the fleets are in the Phase World setting. For me this leads to a lot of world building issues but the two biggest are: 1-How many ships from a given fleet are you going to encounter (ex. when you are in TGE space how often do you see a Smasher Flotilla or in CCW space when pirates attack a station or colony how many ships show up to help) 2-How big are the battles and what is the scale from normal to disaster in terms of ship losses.

For the purposes of this discussion I want to focus on the CCW and the TGE. We have numbers for some of the others. It says the UWW has 30,000, The Altess 2,500 and the Golgan 50,000. These numbers are all vague and we don’t know how that breaks down by type for most of them. But, without Knowing the numbers for the CCW and TGE we really can’t evaluate these. Also, it will get confusing if we start throwing around numbers for four or five different groups.

I went through all the books and these are the numbers I was able to find, for both individual ship classes and fleets for what we might call rated ships so Corvettes and up or Sub-capital and capital only, not worried about fighters and shuttles.

CAF Fleet

The biggest issue with this number is we don’t know if it includes the IDFs (Independent Defence Forces). I assume it doesn’t, as that would make that Discovery Corp number really ridiculous. If the IDF number is not included then how many ships are we talking and what is the breakdown?


CAF Fleet Organization


TGE Fleet


TGE Fleet Organization

So two questions:

First, did I miss any numbers for these two in any of the books? If so, please provide a reference.

Second, if you created your own Order of Battle that contradicts the books, as I did, what were those numbers and how did you come up with them? If not, what do you think of mine in the next post compared to what we get from the books?

Years ago, before even the Anvil Galaxy book came out, I sat down and created a general map of the Three Galaxies based off the information it the first two books. At that point a few friends of mine helped me come up with a OoB based largely on the US Navy, circa 2000, and the Honor Harrington novels.

I started with the CCW as I decided the CCW fleet and overall military would be smaller than the TGE but have more capital grade ships. So I came up with my CCW numbers and just made the TGE numbers a certain percentage greater.

From this I was able to create a basic chart, military personnel and ship numbers by general type, based on the population, economic power and militarization of a given group.

All my numbers come from a comparison to the US Navy based on size of population

CCW


TGE


To clarify in DB 3, pg. 98 & 102, it says that the CCW favored BBs and CVs with the TGE favoring Dreadnoughts and that the Doombringer was the largest ship in the Three Galaxies but it never said it was the only Dreadnought. As I said all my numbers were created before Anvil Galaxy. I saw nothing in DB 5 or 6 that altered my numbers and by the time 12, 13 and 14 came out I was too set in my system to change anything.