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Taking a look at this spell from Mystic China.

Remove Heart (700 PPE)
Casting Time Required: Seven days and seven saves.

The odds of anyone surviving this spell seem very low.
Is there some hack or cheat I don't know about to fail your saving throw versus magic.

I figure on normal rolls of a d20 with sever rolls in a row an average run of it will probably see a 16 or higher out of one of the seven rolls.

I just got it.

Looking at the attribute Physical Endurance or P.E. those characters with a P.E. of 3 or 4 have a -4 to save vs magic.

They are the only ones you can fail their save unless they roll a natural 20.
So the spell "Remove Heart" is for super sick people. You get your heart replace by magic and then...

Well, I am not too sure of that. Maybe your endurance is Supernatural?

Come to think of it, What are the bonus with having this spell successful performed?

I mean basically your heart can't stop. No heart disease or stroke. limited immunity to critical strikes.

IF the character had a P.E. of 4 but had their heart removed through this spell I'd probably make their P.E. supernatural.

The character is impervious to diseases that may attack the heart and blood (since it 'pass' through the heart) as well as being impervious to fatigue, +3 to save vs horror factor, +5 to save vs pain, +5 to save vs possession, +5 to save vs drugs and poison, and +2 to save vs magic potions.

I'd also drop the penalities for having a P.E. below 8 and add 1d6 hit points per level.

Really, it is for sickk people because unless you are incredibly lucky on your rolls you will die from 3d6 times 10 damage to hit points.

Maybe a late detox juicer would do it.

darthauthor wrote:Taking a look at this spell from Mystic China.

Remove Heart (700 PPE)
Casting Time Required: Seven days and seven saves.

The odds of anyone surviving this spell seem very low.
Is there some hack or cheat I don't know about to fail your saving throw versus magic.

I figure on normal rolls of a d20 with sever rolls in a row an average run of it will probably see a 16 or higher out of one of the seven rolls.

That always struck me as one of those spells clearly written with Villians in mind and not Heroes. By which I mean it's there to justify an immortal, endlessly regenerating bad guy for the GM to use as a reoccuring villian, and the unlikelyhood to survive is there to keep the players from trying it themselves.

darthauthor wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 8:29 pm Is there some hack or cheat I don't know about to fail your saving throw versus magic.

Mystic China is lacking in that AFAIK but if you go into the wider Megaverse of sourcebooks there's a Rifts spell called Ensorcel (page 144 of Book of Magic, introduced in Federation of Magic) which creates a situation of "completely vulnerable (no save) against the magic of the spell caster"

Of course that spell only lasts about 20 minutes so you'd have to re-cast it every day before doing each step of the Remove Heart spell to keep the effect active, or else have some way of making an Ensorcel permanent against a foe, such as a permanence ward or that demon magic in WB35 which involves burning souls for the permanence.

darthauthor wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:34 pm I just got it.

Looking at the attribute Physical Endurance or P.E. those characters with a P.E. of 3 or 4 have a -4 to save vs magic.

I can't find this rule in N&SS but if you got it from page 284 of Rifts Ultimate Edition I think it's a great idea to export the Penalties for Low Attributes to all systems.