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It seems you've gotten the question answered already, but I'm throwing my 2 cents in anyway. Glitterboy2098 identified Macross II as happening 50 years after DYRL; he's about 20+ years off, the anime specifically says that its been 80 years since the Macross (the name of the SDF-1) crashed on Earth.

Zerebus wrote:The "Super Veritech" SAP fighters were introduced while the SDF-1 was away in space. I am uncertain as of the date of construction, and I expect to get pounded by those who follow the new "canon" for Robotech for being inaccurate when I say that it appeared that the Super VFs were only used by the SDF-1's forces.

As for VF-1MS........ you can't mean the Metal Siren of Macross II, can you? That thing was introduced as a prototype DURING the Marduk invasion, and entered service in full immediately afterward.

EDIT: The SAP Special for Macross II doesn't appear to have a "special" date of service attached to it. Actually, if you watch the animation closely, you will find that the SAP Special and the SAP are THE SAME FIGHTER AND SAP PACK in different configurations. That being the case, and given that the UN Spacy of Macross II was already using "super packs" on their veritech fighters, it is safe to assume that both SAP models entered service at the same time as the VF-2SS.

AlexanderDeath wrote:Quick Note to add to Dairugger:

The NTSB Super Packs for the VF-1 Valkyrie Veritech Armored Soldier-Fighter where in development during the origonal Valkyries prototype trials. Prior to the advent of the Macross: Zero series, this was still true - during Macross: Zero, they show Roy testing the "Armored Soldier" and "Booster Soldier" NTSB conformal Fuel and Weapons packages on the origonal Valkyrie prototype.

Production by Stonewell-Bellcom began shortly after survivors from the Macross Island incident where rescued by the SDF-1 after its jump to the far side of Pluto. The Engineering team that was saved, after helping re-design the interior of the SDF-1's Cargo bays and power systems to accomidate the city, went to work on a manufactoring complex. The Complex, though it could produce Valkyries at a limited rate, was ment to design spare parts, munitions, and the formerly Prototype NTSB Packs to augment the Macross's limited armory status and Valkyrie Defense Squadrons. It was easier to improve the quality of the Valkyrie's, then to simply build more of them, especially since the kill ratio was 8:1 - 8 Battlepods for every 1 Destroyed or Damage Valkyrie in the bay for repairs.

Prior to the Bombardment however, Stonewell-Bellcom was already involved in project "Nova", which it was coordinating, admitly rather defunctly, with Earth. From the Nova Project, the allegid "Jotun" was born, and then the Lightning III, and several other designs that would later come into production aboard the Macross, that we see in Macross & DYRL, but not in Robotech, for obvious reasons.

After the Bombardment, and the destruction of the Stonewell-Bellcom facilities and personel on Earth, which had also been producing the NTSB packs for nearly 8,000x the number of squadrons on Earth, then what the Macross had station aboard it (which is why most of the EDFS - Earth Defense Force Squadrons, where not equiped with them yet), the remaining Stonewell-Bellcom survivors on the Macross, went to work to reintiate the company, helping seed other companys like Shinshi, General-Galaxy, Mitsumada and 3-Star, and of course, conglomerating with ORTEC industries, who had build the ARMD Platforms and such, and survived the bombardment by not being on Earth, decided that: Though the NTSB Conformal Armor, Weapons and Fuel packages where nifty, and somewhat cost effective, the VF-1 was to limited to fight a war where the enemies numerical advantage was superflously to great for just the Valkyrie alone. So they redesigned the current NTSB packs with generation 2 suites to keep the thousands of Valkyries already in service, acting until enough replacements of the Lightning III where complete.

But then the Lightning III never got wide use after the dissaperance of the Megaroad-1 Missions (which oddly enough translates into what happend in the Sentinels with the SDF-3 - being that the Megaroad was the SDF-3 and all as far as Macross goes) - and so Stonewell turned its eyes in other directions for a while, and let Shinshi Aeronautic Industries have the contract for developing the Thunderbolt, and where happy with the design, especially after Max and Mirya put the 2 prototype to such incredible trials during M-1,2,and 3, which was from about 2012, to about 2018, the Zentraedi rebellion and uprising.

Now as far as Macross II goes - the SAP-Valkyrie SS went into design just after the war, and was completed just after the Zentraedi VF-XX was complete for use about 15 years from the end of Space War 1. Prior to that, the Icarus was designed, to suppliment Earths Squadrons by being a quasi-Transatmospheric craft, that could free up true Aerospace valkyries to engage outside Earths gravity well, while they handled the rest - it was cost effective cause that ment they didnt have to give Icarus pilots any real zero-G combat training for both the fighter's, and the soldier modes. This is what prompted the development of the VF-1MS Metal Siren - The Earth was starting to become very Anti-War, and very Anti-UN Spacy, that ment enrollment rates where dropping, and that translates into fewer combat pilots. Add that in with the fact their current fighter designs are entering near 60 to 70 years old, and that Zentraedi attacks havnt slacked off yet as was expected, and your CLG - combat Lost Grouping - Jumps catastrophically to nearly 40% expected casualties per battle: Frankly, thats unacceptable.

So how to fix this? Make an even STRONGER 1 Man-Fighter, that a Team of 3 can do as much damage as a small Corvette, or 2 conventional squadrons of even more expensive VF-2SS units, and add in the stylings of a New Pop Icon for people to rally behind - and not only does the UN Spacy get a new fighter? But new pilots to go with it, and public opinion that didnt consist of a Metro-Sexual Harikrishna Illiterate Zentran screaming over a loud speaker "LONG LIVE CULTUA!" to throngs of people who dont care what happens 1 way or another, in order to get people to wake up and realise: There is a war going on out there, and people are dieing, and we need your help, but arent allowed to actually ask you for it.

wow - thats a lot of data, I hope that helps your efforts to understand also.

Tetsuya wrote:To answer your question: no. The SAP is purely Macross-II fiction. Alex was most likely referring to the FAST Packs used by the Valkyrie's and other Variable Fighters in the Macross universe.

The "Super Veritech" seen in the Robotech RPG is just a VF-1 with the original, series 1 FAST armaments.

FAST stands for Fuel, Armor, and Sensor Tactical Packs.

for the most part they consist of conformal fuel tanks on the legs, arm armor/armaments, and the back-pack style booster/missile launcher.

There are a variety of them available after the original's made their debut in Space War One, many of which are backwards compatible all the way to the VF-1.