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Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

nope. Evil elves likely, Dark Skinned ones. . . not to my knowlage.

Check out Kitsune's palladium pages for Dark Elves.

DarkWarriorKarg wrote:

Basilisk wrote:Damn, ever since Gary Gygax came up with the drow elves...

A quick footnote:
He didn't. He stole the idea from Norse mythology.
In their mythology, though, elves & dwarves are frequently confused with each other.

And the word "drow" is derived from the word "trow".

At Kitsune's website their is a write up.
Princedarkstorm
Warborn

I've seen more then enough of my share of homebrewed ones.

Why can't people be happy with the regular ones?

I prefer the concept of 40K and WHF's Dark Elves/Eldar just being a dominantly evil 'sect' of Elves/Eldar.

Just make an elf, and say he comes from a branch of elves with "dark" skin. Problem Solved.

Kreuzritter Puuh wrote:

Res Sin Kai wrote:I've seen more then enough of my share of homebrewed ones.

Why can't people be happy with the regular ones?

they just read the lastest drow novel Salvatore has churned out and want to be Drizzt.

30 Ha-Ha Points.

Kreuzritter Puuh wrote:

Res Sin Kai wrote:I've seen more then enough of my share of homebrewed ones.

Why can't people be happy with the regular ones?

they just read the lastest drow novel Salvatore has churned out and want to be Drizzt.

Drizzt Do who are them?

There are dark elves. stats the same as regular eleves. just like dark and light skinned humans have exsactly the same stats

Racist aginst drow I tell ya...

DarkWarriorKarg wrote:

Basilisk wrote:Damn, ever since Gary Gygax came up with the drow elves...

A quick footnote:
He didn't. He stole the idea from Norse mythology.
In their mythology, though, elves & dwarves are frequently confused with each other.

I think they probably knew who were Elves and who were Dwarfs, its the Christians who could not be bothered to keep things straight

Dark elves yea their just evil elves in rifts that works fine.

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

AllMightyRCB wrote:Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

That would be too much influence from D&D.

Much as I hate the game, D&D did have nifty races & monsters.
So don't be hating to strong...it's because of D&D you got Palladium fantasy

And what's so wrong about using the 'dark elves' as direct conversions?
Hmmmm?
Aside from stupid yankee copyright laws...
I swear..more lawyers than brains...

AllMightyRCB wrote:Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

Dear god I hope not. I'm having enough trouble killing off the normal elves.

Be true.
Be Human.
Kill Elves.

DhAkael wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

AllMightyRCB wrote:Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

That would be too much influence from D&D.

Much as I hate the game, D&D did have nifty races & monsters.
So don't be hating to strong...it's because of D&D you got Palladium fantasy

They did. Drow NOT being one of the better ones. Why? Because every player and their grandma want to play a Drow (a dark elf, twisted by magics), and hey, guess what....he's a lawful Good drow? WHAT?! PLAY AN ELF!!! Freaking munchkins!!!!! Show some originality! Seriously, in all my years playing D&D I've never seen a character generation party where at least one, if not more people, asked to play Drow.

I'm a D&D fan as much as I'm a palladium fan (Warforged rule!).

As for the original poster, as stated, there are versions in patheons and in phase world sourcebook 2 (I think) or you can play an elf with dark skin, nothing says you can't.

Dark Brandon wrote:

DhAkael wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

AllMightyRCB wrote:Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

That would be too much influence from D&D.

Much as I hate the game, D&D did have nifty races & monsters.
So don't be hating to strong...it's because of D&D you got Palladium fantasy

They did. Drow NOT being one of the better ones. Why? Because every player and their grandma want to play a Drow (a dark elf, twisted by magics), and hey, guess what....he's a lawful Good drow? WHAT?! PLAY AN ELF!!! Freaking munchkins!!!!! Show some originality! Seriously, in all my years playing D&D I've never seen a character generation party where at least one, if not more people, asked to play Drow.

I'm a D&D fan as much as I'm a palladium fan (Warforged rule!).

As for the original poster, as stated, there are versions in patheons and in phase world sourcebook 2 (I think) or you can play an elf with dark skin, nothing says you can't.

And people wonder why I'm so violently opposed to elves of any kind.

Danger wrote:

Dark Brandon wrote:

DhAkael wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

AllMightyRCB wrote:Are Dark Elves in any Rifts book?

That would be too much influence from D&D.

Much as I hate the game, D&D did have nifty races & monsters.
So don't be hating to strong...it's because of D&D you got Palladium fantasy

They did. Drow NOT being one of the better ones. Why? Because every player and their grandma want to play a Drow (a dark elf, twisted by magics), and hey, guess what....he's a lawful Good drow? WHAT?! PLAY AN ELF!!! Freaking munchkins!!!!! Show some originality! Seriously, in all my years playing D&D I've never seen a character generation party where at least one, if not more people, asked to play Drow.

I'm a D&D fan as much as I'm a palladium fan (Warforged rule!).

As for the original poster, as stated, there are versions in patheons and in phase world sourcebook 2 (I think) or you can play an elf with dark skin, nothing says you can't.

And people wonder why I'm so violently opposed to elves of any kind.

*Happy dance*
Oh goody! Another thread that never ends due to conflicting viewpoints
Heh...I have Dark Elves in my game..one thing; they are NOT good. The best they ever become is anrachist, with any "good" seeming ones being abberant
To give 'em some flavour (and more workable NPC status) they are based loosely on the descriptions given in the D20 'Dragonstar' series.
You want an infiltration expert? Send in the Drow.
Want information extracted in the old-fashioned way, but have the "subject" undamaged (at least visably)? Use a Drow female! Best interrogators in the megaverse that don't use psionics.
Need that governor silenced? A dark elf assassin should be able to do the trick!

The Dark Covens of the UWW, and some of the 'fringe' memebers of the UWW proper have a few of these rare and elusive Elves.
Heck, the TGE has their silhouettes, why cant the UWW have something just as good (or bad as the case may be)?:P

Not that Human (or humanlike) experts in these fields can't do the same job; they just don't have the "style"

DhAkael wrote:*Happy dance*
Oh goody! Another thread that never ends due to conflicting viewpoints
Heh...I have Dark Elves in my game..one thing; they are NOT good. The best they ever become is anrachist, with any "good" seeming ones being abberant
To give 'em some flavour (and more workable NPC status) they are based loosely on the descriptions given in the D20 'Dragonstar' series.
You want an infiltration expert? Send in the Drow.
Want information extracted in the old-fashioned way, but have the "subject" undamaged (at least visably)? Use a Drow female! Best interrogators in the megaverse that don't use psionics.
Need that governor silenced? A dark elf assassin should be able to do the trick!

The Dark Covens of the UWW, and some of the 'fringe' memebers of the UWW proper have a few of these rare and elusive Elves.
Heck, the TGE has their silhouettes, why cant the UWW have something just as good (or bad as the case may be)?:P

Not that Human (or humanlike) experts in these fields can't do the same job; they just don't have the "style"

No.

After seeing the cover of World Book Atlantis, I just assumed that elves in the Palladium game systems could have any of the ethnic, and racial characteristics that a normal human could. The elf on the cover of the book appears to be African-American, or just African.

Dark Brandon wrote:

DhAkael wrote:*Happy dance*
Oh goody! Another thread that never ends due to conflicting viewpoints
Heh...I have Dark Elves in my game..one thing; they are NOT good. The best they ever become is anrachist, with any "good" seeming ones being abberant
To give 'em some flavour (and more workable NPC status) they are based loosely on the descriptions given in the D20 'Dragonstar' series.
You want an infiltration expert? Send in the Drow.
Want information extracted in the old-fashioned way, but have the "subject" undamaged (at least visably)? Use a Drow female! Best interrogators in the megaverse that don't use psionics.
Need that governor silenced? A dark elf assassin should be able to do the trick!

The Dark Covens of the UWW, and some of the 'fringe' memebers of the UWW proper have a few of these rare and elusive Elves.
Heck, the TGE has their silhouettes, why cant the UWW have something just as good (or bad as the case may be)?:P

Not that Human (or humanlike) experts in these fields can't do the same job; they just don't have the "style"

No.

DhAkael wrote:

Dark Brandon wrote:

DhAkael wrote:*Happy dance*
Oh goody! Another thread that never ends due to conflicting viewpoints
Heh...I have Dark Elves in my game..one thing; they are NOT good. The best they ever become is anrachist, with any "good" seeming ones being abberant
To give 'em some flavour (and more workable NPC status) they are based loosely on the descriptions given in the D20 'Dragonstar' series.
You want an infiltration expert? Send in the Drow.
Want information extracted in the old-fashioned way, but have the "subject" undamaged (at least visably)? Use a Drow female! Best interrogators in the megaverse that don't use psionics.
Need that governor silenced? A dark elf assassin should be able to do the trick!

The Dark Covens of the UWW, and some of the 'fringe' memebers of the UWW proper have a few of these rare and elusive Elves.
Heck, the TGE has their silhouettes, why cant the UWW have something just as good (or bad as the case may be)?:P

Not that Human (or humanlike) experts in these fields can't do the same job; they just don't have the "style"

No.

No, as in...lets not hijack this thread with posts like this. If you want to talk about dark elves, you can always start another thread.

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No, as in...lets not hijack this thread with posts like this. If you want to talk about dark elves, you can always start another thread.[/quote]

Oh...okay then!

Kreuzritter Puuh wrote:
they just read the lastest drow novel Salvatore has churned out and want to be Drizzt.

Yeah. I've played in a group with a guy who loves to make characters based off of movies and books he's read. Devil May Cry 3, Tri-Gun, Vampire Hunter D, Blade, Yuyu Hakashu, YuGiOh, that acurse-ed Drow Drizzt, ect.

The shadowmeld that usually ties with them. It's the reason I hate the spell. Because no one can intelligently conceive the difference between shade, a cloudy day, and a real shadow.

"Is the sun out?" - Drow PC
"No, it's covered by a cloud" - GM
"Good, sunlight hurts me. I shadowmeld in place where I stand." - Drow PC



This happened in a game I played in once. That was it for me.

there are plenty of races that qualify as "Drow" type races. As people mentioned - Silhouette fit this role nicely

Another such race are the Darrakhans, Shissans, Alutans, Managars and Swips from Aliens Unlimited.

then there's the Cartyrs from PW that also fit the role...


so really, you don't need em. ...

The radiation in the "Vault of the Drow" might have an effect of "burning" the skin of the Drow.

Lorkinas wrote:Fully subterian races would be exceptionly pale, but the dark elves are not totally exclusive in caves or other subterian area's. They travel quite a bit at night, moonlight will still effect the pigmitation of the skin even though its not sunlight.

Besides alot of creatures in biology color is that of its surroundings so it wouldnt be to far of a jump if a humanoid race skin takes on a darker color to better allow them to be unseen in there natural enviroment.

Take a look at the link, I think the creator did a wonderfull job of explaing the dark elf, i beleave there is a back story of them as well.

Yea, or maybe they just wanted them to look cool.

DarkWarriorKarg wrote:

Basilisk wrote:Damn, ever since Gary Gygax came up with the drow elves...

A quick footnote:
He didn't. He stole the idea from Norse mythology.
In their mythology, though, elves & dwarves are frequently confused with each other.

That is largely correct, however in many cases they aren't merely confused with one another, they are used interchangeably. It depends on who the storyteller/source was. That, and that some of what we have on the subject is fragmentary, and that the authors were looking back into a rapidly fading age.

Dark Brandon wrote:If you want to talk about dark elves, you can always start another thread.

Uh, this is already a topic about dark elves.

(Although I agree completely about avoiding responses that are nothing but endless strings of smileys.)

RainOfSteel wrote:

Dark Brandon wrote:If you want to talk about dark elves, you can always start another thread.

Uh, this is already a topic about dark elves.

(Although I agree completely about avoiding responses that are nothing but endless strings of smileys.)

the poster just wanted to know about rift's dark elves and if there are any.

Dark Brandon wrote:

RainOfSteel wrote:

Dark Brandon wrote:If you want to talk about dark elves, you can always start another thread.

Uh, this is already a topic about dark elves.

(Although I agree completely about avoiding responses that are nothing but endless strings of smileys.)

the poster just wanted to know about rift's dark elves and if there are any.

Oh, sorry.

The title of the topic is Dark Elves, so I just sort of assumed that it was meant to cover all Dark Elf subjects.

Lorkinas wrote:Gary Gyax did not create dark elves, he derived this from the legends of the fall of avalon.

May I ask which legend you are referring to?