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Given the pounding that the planet gets, I find it highly unlikely that NEMA would survive intact. However, supposing for just a moment that they do survive and reestablish themselves, I don't see their descendants as being too different from the Coalition with regards to their ideology towards D-Bees, Demons, and other "invaders". The might be more educated and possibly even more tolerant of magic and psionics, but would still be staunchly pro-human.

Well Nema needs more of Advantage then they have in the Chaos Earth.

I did a Game where thers 5 differences (1) the Ley line zone in Wisconsin was in the Northern portion not the Southern one.(look in NEW WEST page 25).

(2)The Original population of lone star did not vanished.

(3)The Uss Ticonderoga and Tritonia both got rifted to the Midwest.

(4)Nostrous Dunscon was Never Born.

(5)Two pre-Rifts U.S,s Cities Got Rifted in Time.

If the 5 things happed Nema will be around in 101.p.a.
They will deal with D-bees the same way the NGR das.

It would depend on what happens over the next 100 years or so.

I am fleshing out a "surviving" city where the Canadian NEMA branch, plus an Air Force Wing, Armoured Cavalry Battallion, and Infantry Regiment (mostly) survived the coming of the Rifts, moved in, and supported the civil authourities such as they are, and began rebuilding. The city in question has a 90% death rate by May 1 or so.

The evolved city (3-400,000+) is a large part of my non-Coalition campaigns, and has 20-30 dragons (only a couple in residence at any one time), plus Elves, Wolfen (3Gs and PFRPG), Human, & others. The government is a democracy of sorts.

NEMA did survive . . . Who do you think are the basis for the CS, FQ and the Tundra Rangers?

I like the original idea for Chaos Earth being an alternate evolution of Earth after the coming of the Rifts. Then you have remnants of all the old empires rebuilding from the ashes.

I think it would look like North America except with a new giant crater where Yellowstone used to be

Jefffar wrote:NEMA did survive . . . Who do you think are the basis for the CS, FQ and the Tundra Rangers?

Humankind survived, the NEMA organization did not.

A surviving core of NEMA cells along with various military and paramilitary groups(later the Tundra Rangers, New Navy, Tritonia, NEMA ect) that were given a chance to build up a core base would. The setting would be somewhere between what we know of Chaos Earth, and what was seen in the various Robotech books as different parts of the world rebuilt and consolidated power.

A big piece needed for that puzzle to work is access to the space sats and bases. If the powers in North America had access to Sat. communications and sensors from the CAN moon base, and various space stations they would be much better equipped to communicate and organize.

I could see the rise of various groups familar to Rifts players coming into the picture. The migration of psychics that formed Psyscape would still happen, and could easily be used as a bridge to friendly d-bees like the Bubble Makers. The remnant powers would be more likely to accept a group of D-Bees reaching out to help, who also had a shared vision with some of their own people. Both groups of South American mutants could also have members drawn to the area. That is pushing it, but you get the idea. Other organizations like the returning Native American ancients would definately be quickly accepted as teachers about the supernatural. The rise of Psi Stalkers would be seen as a natrual(or supernatural) mutation to save humanity in much the same way the CS views it.

Foriegn groups like the NGR, Columbia, Silver Rivers Republics, Australian tech cities, H-Brand in Japan and other surviving human enclaves would be helpful to North America eventually, but not to start with.

coldsteel wrote:NEMA would start the Coalition of the Willing. Humans VS D-Bees. The American flag would be flying. The nation would survive yet the country would be under martial law. There would be a draft. Magic and Psionics would be used by the government to defend and attack in the name of democracy. The general population would be uneducated and not willing to educate theirselves. Lies would be told by those in leadership position. Anyone who challenged or asked questions would be called a traitor. The propaganda machine (Local News) would be state run. The leaders will have connections with demons who control 7% of the economy all in the name of profits. Hmm...I don't think I missed anything but may I did...Oh yeah. The Glitter Boy Armor would be in use.

In fact by the year 101 P.A. they will just drop the, of the Willing, and keep Coalition. I think there is no way to stop it. In fact members of NEMA maybe the great grandfathers of the Coalition.

Based on currently known information, I would have to agree with this assesement. Consider the following.

1) In Chaos Earth, practically everything coming out of a Rift is considered to be hostile. This will inevitably lead to an us vs. them attitude towards D-Bees on the part of NEMA.

2) A large portion of the NEMA survivors lead by Gen. Sawyer choose to make their stand in post-Rifts Chicago.

3) In modern Rifts Earth, Old Chicago is the location of a massive leyline network, with regular and frequent Rift activity.

4) Chi-Town's location is 80 miles southwest of Old Chicago.

5) Most of the Coalition's 'classic' weapons and equipment are derivatives of NEMA technology.

From this, I conclude the following. The Coalition are in fact the latter day descendents of NEMA faction under Gen Sawyer.

Likely, after NEMA's attempts to contain the super Rift at Chicago failed, they would have relocated to safer location, from where the could monitor the Rift's activity but not be immediately in harm's way.

The new location of NEMA base camp was about 80 miles southwest of Old Chicago. Here, using their remaining Bulldog, and Mastiff type robots, NEMA began the construction of a fortified base / city where they could regroup with a coalition of NEMA, military, local police and citizen-volunteers, and also try relocating civilian survivors. As time passed, in the face of adversity, adherence to many of the noble traditions of NEMA waned, as the ranks of original NEMA personnel were depleted, their ranks filled with civilians, police, and regular military vets.

Using local resources, and a scavenged factory, this new coalition continued building derivatives of original NEMA weapons and armor, up until the time of Gen. Sawyer's death.

After much debate, command of the facility was given over to a charismatic Captain Prosek of a former military special forces unit nicknamed 'Grinning Death'.

In later years, to completely disassociate themselves with their NEMA forebears, the Chromium Gaurdsman itself, now a symbol of their struggle during those dark early years would itself be abandoned.

And the rest as they say is history...

Personally i think the US military found out the a large number of nema and civilians made it thru it and move to chi-town and they moved in and took control from NEMA and moved them from a unsafe place to a more area more easier protected

Mecha-Viper wrote:Personally i think the US military found out the a large number of nema and civilians made it thru it and move to chi-town and they moved in and took control from NEMA and moved them from a unsafe place to a more area more easier protected

Run that one by me again please. . .

just dont see NEMA lasts any length of time all by themselves, yes they do ok against demons and other powerful stuff when NEMA has the odds with them but sooner or later something they cant handle will come looking for them

dukeofshadows wrote:Thoughts?

What makes you think they don't survive?

Mike Taylor wrote:Given the pounding that the planet gets, I find it highly unlikely that NEMA would survive intact. However, supposing for just a moment that they do survive and reestablish themselves, I don't see their descendants as being too different from the Coalition with regards to their ideology towards D-Bees, Demons, and other "invaders". The might be more educated and possibly even more tolerant of magic and psionics, but would still be staunchly pro-human.

actually, i remember reading (in one of the worldbooks?) about a future dimension book called "Chaos Earth" where the coming of the rifts are not as severe as the original setting; the US govt (or some symbolence) survives and has to deal the the changed world.

i guess during the creation process, kevin and the boyz decided to make Chaos Earth pre-Rifts Earth. to bad...

Kelorin wrote:

coldsteel wrote:NEMA would start the Coalition of the Willing. Humans VS D-Bees. The American flag would be flying. The nation would survive yet the country would be under martial law. There would be a draft. Magic and Psionics would be used by the government to defend and attack in the name of democracy. The general population would be uneducated and not willing to educate theirselves. Lies would be told by those in leadership position. Anyone who challenged or asked questions would be called a traitor. The propaganda machine (Local News) would be state run. The leaders will have connections with demons who control 7% of the economy all in the name of profits. Hmm...I don't think I missed anything but may I did...Oh yeah. The Glitter Boy Armor would be in use.

In fact by the year 101 P.A. they will just drop the, of the Willing, and keep Coalition. I think there is no way to stop it. In fact members of NEMA maybe the great grandfathers of the Coalition.

Based on currently known information, I would have to agree with this assessment. Consider the following.

1) In Chaos Earth, practically everything coming out of a Rift is considered to be hostile. This will inevitably lead to an us vs. them attitude towards D-Bees on the part of NEMA.

2) A large portion of the NEMA survivors lead by Gen. Sawyer choose to make their stand in post-Rifts Chicago.

3) In modern Rifts Earth, Old Chicago is the location of a massive leyline network, with regular and frequent Rift activity.

4) Chi-Town's location is 80 miles southwest of Old Chicago.

5) Most of the Coalition's 'classic' weapons and equipment are derivatives of NEMA technology.

From this, I conclude the following. The Coalition are in fact the latter day descendents of NEMA faction under Gen Sawyer.

Likely, after NEMA's attempts to contain the super Rift at Chicago failed, they would have relocated to safer location, from where the could monitor the Rift's activity but not be immediately in harm's way.

The new location of NEMA base camp was about 80 miles southwest of Old Chicago. Here, using their remaining Bulldog, and Mastiff type robots, NEMA began the construction of a fortified base / city where they could regroup with a coalition of NEMA, military, local police and citizen-volunteers, and also try relocating civilian survivors. As time passed, in the face of adversity, adherence to many of the noble traditions of NEMA waned, as the ranks of original NEMA personnel were depleted, their ranks filled with civilians, police, and regular military vets.

Using local resources, and a scavenged factory, this new coalition continued building derivatives of original NEMA weapons and armor, up until the time of Gen. Sawyer's death.

After much debate, command of the facility was given over to a charismatic Captain Prosek of a former military special forces unit nicknamed 'Grinning Death'.

In later years, to completely disassociate themselves with their NEMA forebears, the Chromium Guardsman itself, now a symbol of their struggle during those dark early years would itself be abandoned.

And the rest as they say is history...

I must say, I don't think I could have described it much better myself. Though the reason for the discontinuation of the Chromium Guardsmen could also have been due to the high material cost to manufacture the molecularly bonded chrome alloy that composed the armor. This would also explain the reason why the CS doesn't use the Silver Eagle Samas.