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Lucky wrote:i always pictured the Buseys as the Proseks.

Nah...its the Baldwins! (Wern't they the ones bombed inthe South Park Movie??)

bah. have Arnold play Empror Prosek. give the CS a new image

Dervish: CS Loyalist wrote:That comparing the CS to the KKK or the Nazis has got to stop. It is a completely different set of circumstances. The D-bees do not belong on earth just as the aliens in dreamcatcher do not belong on earth. The only answer is extermination, for the good of all humanity.

Sorry man but they are both fascist racists.

Dervish: CS Loyalist wrote:They are completely different, the CS do not see humans as the master race simply the one race who has a right to be on this planet. Earth is for humans, the d-bees have no right or claim to this planet. I am not going to argue one bit about the kkk or the nazis, but the CS is different. Doom called them racist, well if loving the human race is racism then call me a racist. The CS fights any creature that does not belong on earth, and as for the human mages lets not forget that it was the federation who attacked Chi-Town not the other way around. This left leaning propaganda about trying to make the things that crawled out of the rifts seem like the mistreated minorities of earth is crap. Jews never tried to eat the germans or burn their homes to the ground, You can not compare the murder of the jewish people with the killing of monsters from some hellspawned dimension. It is nice to see that if aliens come to kill us so many of you will lay down and die without so much as putting up a fight. Cowards and race traitors, I would never sell out the human race. Did you hear me HUMAN not black, white, asian, indian, catholic, jewish, muslim, hindi, male or female!

OK fascist speciesest then.
Same difference.

Dervish: CS Loyalist wrote:Doom I am curious what species do you prefer?

Why?
You know this is just a game right?

But if you must know Felis Catus.

Dervish: CS Loyalist wrote:They are completely different, the CS do not see humans as the master race simply the one race who has a right to be on this planet. Earth is for humans, the d-bees have no right or claim to this planet. I am not going to argue one bit about the kkk or the nazis, but the CS is different. Doom called them racist, well if loving the human race is racism then call me a racist. The CS fights any creature that does not belong on earth, and as for the human mages lets not forget that it was the federation who attacked Chi-Town not the other way around. This left leaning propaganda about trying to make the things that crawled out of the rifts seem like the mistreated minorities of earth is crap. Jews never tried to eat the germans or burn their homes to the ground, You can not compare the murder of the jewish people with the killing of monsters from some hellspawned dimension. It is nice to see that if aliens come to kill us so many of you will lay down and die without so much as putting up a fight. Cowards and race traitors, I would never sell out the human race. Did you hear me HUMAN not black, white, asian, indian, catholic, jewish, muslim, hindi, male or female!

I think someone needs a nap.
I wouldn't "sell out" the race per se, though if a technologically advanced race were to appear and wish to visit, and some mindless slug decided to vape them just for not being human, and thus start a war, I can tell you which side I'd be on.

Dervish: CS Loyalist wrote:Game or not I will kill anyone or thing that threatens my home, family or way of life. The world needs patriots.

Except how does a cactus person threaten your home? Is he gonna steal the mulch from your flower bed?



Daniel Stoker

Chello!

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Gotta agree on the Morgan Freeman thing. Ever see "Outbreak"? The way the Army cordons off that town to isolate the infection with Freeman in charge....that would be the CS in action.

Rutger Hauer would make a good CS just based off of his portrayal of a Nazi detective in "Fatherland."

And the Psi Corps officers in Starship Troopers....now they looked like CS officers, black trench coats and all. They had that evil stylish thing going. Of course, I don't think Doogie Howser would make a good CS officer...hmmm...maybe some whiz-kid working for Desmond Bradford at Lone Star! Yeah, that's the ticket! He could team up with Wil Wheaton! And we could resurrect Roddy McDowell to play that chimp scientist in early strips of the Rifter!

Lancer wrote:As I understand...

Dinosaur's were here first, you dont see them forming a DC (Dinosaur Coalition) and kick all those non-dino's around.

Game or not I will kill anyone or thing that threatens my home, family or way of life. The world needs patriots.

Ok, well... your home is destroyed. Your families way of life is living in the dumpsters (Aka Dark Age, or "Mad Max") I really think you should read the main book. Its not like a typical sunny morning and *poof* the earth is infested by D-Bees. Those D-Bees where here for years, they too have a home and family and a way of life. And they too would be Patriots for standing up against the new enemy the CS.

Nicely put!! Unfortunatly the head of propoganda isn't gonna paint that nice little picture for the masses. Instead the vicious Cactus Peaple should be slaughtered. They are an abomination to earth plant life everywhere. Who knows what evil plots they are plotting? If you let them take root, they will pop up everywhere! Like dandilions! Here's your weedeater, go get em men!!

Phalanx wrote:That would be extremely easy to do in Rifts Earth.

Nice threadjacking goin' on here...

Anyhoo, the CS do what they do for survival. You can try to paint a picture of the CS killing D-bee babies if you want. However, the CS protects millions of humans from extinsion at the hands of supernatural forces... the Nazi thing is way overrated. I see the CS being Nazi's about as much as I see the patrons at Mcdonalds being hamburgers...

Hystrix wrote:

Phalanx wrote:That would be extremely easy to do in Rifts Earth.

Nice threadjacking goin' on here...

Anyhoo, the CS do what they do for survival. You can try to paint a picture of the CS killing D-bee babies if you want. However, the CS protects millions of humans from extinsion at the hands of supernatural forces... the Nazi thing is way overrated. I see the CS being Nazi's about as much as I see the patrons at Mcdonalds being hamburgers...

Considering the fact that the books say Prosek modeled his government after the Nazi's I'd say you're looking at the wrong place in McDonalds for a hamburger.



Daniel Stoker

MorganKeyes wrote:

Hystrix wrote:

Phalanx wrote:That would be extremely easy to do in Rifts Earth.

Nice threadjacking goin' on here...

Anyhoo, the CS do what they do for survival. You can try to paint a picture of the CS killing D-bee babies if you want. However, the CS protects millions of humans from extinsion at the hands of supernatural forces... the Nazi thing is way overrated. I see the CS being Nazi's about as much as I see the patrons at Mcdonalds being hamburgers...

None of us have to paint a picture of the CS killing civilians and children, Kevin and his artists do it for us. Cases in point:

SoT 1, pgs: 108, 110
SoT 2, pg: 14
SoT 6: pg 184

The published material lays it out that way, not the fans. If one wants the CS to be paladins in their games, fine and dandy. More power to you. As they are presented to us though, they're not only not saints but exercise authorized barbarity as bad or worse then any faction did in the Balkans Homeland War. If Kevin didn't want the Coalition to be an example of 'noble cause twisted into irrationale hate' he would have given us NEMA, not Dead Boys.

Nah, that is just a few isolated examples, and it was during a time of Total War... no the CS dose more to protech the humans of NA than any other force in NA. No painting nessisary...

Dinosaur's were here first, you dont see them forming a DC (Dinosaur Coalition) and kick all those non-dino's around.

i point your attention to rifter #23, After the bomb, Mesozicland, and the carnivore ruled Habana.

Okay to the REAL topic of this thread...Dreamcatcher was a good flic and possibly could be showed in an editted/respliced form in the CS if it is showed in the way of showing the demonic and horrible nature of aliens/d-bees and how they have been plaguing the Earth since before the Rifts...in other words...make it grainy and say it was documentary footage...Blair Witch might work that way also if used in relation to SoulHarvest or the Federation of Magics claim on land.

Normally I dont get into this anti-CS poo that keeps popping its head up whenever it behooves anyone at any drop of any hat on any dimension of the megaverse, because people always make the worst assumptions(remember the saying about those?) of the people supporting the CS, but there is one thing that always keeps popping up

The mowing down of "civilians" by the CS

Who says they are civilians/non-combatants? The pictures? Why, cause they dont have armor on and packing Deathbringer swords? Pardon me, but until World Book 16 (a book that has been brought up on this board as being partly responsible for power creep), mages were supposed to be the smart-RPers choice due to the fact that you have to pick your battles and use your head while playing for once.

Now I know there has been the "Use dog boys to sense the mages and psychics and let everyone go"...any mage, psychic, or shapeshifter worth their salt can hide their true nature and delight in taking non-threatening forms to manipulate people with a hesitation in their minds. Just look at the Red Child from Rifts China or any other of the multitude of demons.

"But Pox...the d-bees have been here for possibly hundreds of years and didnt mean to come here in the first place." You know what? There are plenty of shifters and plenty of other dimensions where they can find an easier time of it than Rifts frickin Earth. I know that If I was dropped in a neighborhood that was hostile towards me tomorrow...I would be on the first bus out of there and NOT trying to take a corner of the park and just assume people will just get used to me.

Those are just a few of my thoughts on this proverbial beaten to death horse of a topic.

Oh...and Christian Bale as Joe Prosek and DiNiro as Karl...I just wish that Joe from Resevoir Dogs wasnt dead so he could be Cabot (though I heard he was an a$& to work with on set from "Dinner for Five")