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I was reading through China 2, particularly, the Black Tiger Cannon caught my eye. Both the Rail Gun and Mini-Gun put out 2D4x10 damage, I was curious if this is correct or a typo. Doesn't seem quite right. What's the point of using the mini-gun if the rail gun has the same damage AND a longer range?

Aerv wrote:I was reading through China 2, particularly, the Black Tiger Cannon caught my eye. Both the Rail Gun and Mini-Gun put out 2D4x10 damage, I was curious if this is correct or a typo. Doesn't seem quite right. What's the point of using the mini-gun if the rail gun has the same damage AND a longer range?

Drop a line to Wayne at rifter@palladiumbooks.com, he'll be able to clear that up for ya.

Aerv wrote:I was reading through China 2, particularly, the Black Tiger Cannon caught my eye. Both the Rail Gun and Mini-Gun put out 2D4x10 damage, I was curious if this is correct or a typo. Doesn't seem quite right. What's the point of using the mini-gun if the rail gun has the same damage AND a longer range?

Can the Mini-gun spray fire as per the Machinegun rules?
If so you use it at close range to take out infantry.

Dr. Doom III wrote:

Aerv wrote:I was reading through China 2, particularly, the Black Tiger Cannon caught my eye. Both the Rail Gun and Mini-Gun put out 2D4x10 damage, I was curious if this is correct or a typo. Doesn't seem quite right. What's the point of using the mini-gun if the rail gun has the same damage AND a longer range?

Can the Mini-gun spray fire as per the Machinegun rules?
If so you use it at close range to take out infantry.

Yes. It is a machine gun.

Borast wrote:Yes. It is a machine gun.

Well that doesn't mean anything.
The Naruni Plasma Cartridge Machinegun is a machinegun but it still doesn't use the machingun rules for firing.

Okay, I sent off an email to Wayne, I'll post any response I get.

Dr. Doom III wrote:

Borast wrote:Yes. It is a machine gun.

Well that doesn't mean anything.
The Naruni Plasma Cartridge Machinegun is a machinegun but it still doesn't use the machingun rules for firing.

Doom...if you want it to fire like a machine gun, then it does. Assuming you're the GM, and if your players like the way it works, they'll do the same if/when they are running a game you are playing in...

I've head several of my rulings being used by other DMs in my own group...



Incidentally...anyone know how a book review of China 2 devolved to the point of arguing about machineguns?

It wasn't a review about China 2, it was on topic about the gun stats.

Borast wrote:Incidentally...anyone know how a book review of China 2 devolved to the point of arguing about machineguns?

The review was in another topic. This is the errata topic.

Borast wrote:

Dr. Doom III wrote:

Borast wrote:Yes. It is a machine gun.

Well that doesn't mean anything.
The Naruni Plasma Cartridge Machinegun is a machinegun but it still doesn't use the machingun rules for firing.

Doom...if you want it to fire like a machine gun, then it does. Assuming you're the GM, and if your players like the way it works, they'll do the same if/when they are running a game you are playing in...

[sarcasm]Really?
Here I was thinking all this time that if I deviated from printed rules demons would rift in a torture me to death. Thanks to you I checked and that only happens when you make Cyclops Lightning weapons.
Glad you're here to tell me these things.[/sarcasm]

Dr. Doom III wrote:[sarcasm]Really?
Here I was thinking all this time that if I deviated from printed rules demons would rift in a torture me to death. Thanks to you I checked and that only happens when you make Cyclops Lightning weapons.
Glad you're here to tell me these things.[/sarcasm]

You're welcome.

Glad I could be of assistance.

You're welcome.

A tip from a master in training...try not to force it out, try to make it sound more natural. That way you can offend people just be giving them a compliment!

You know, if you had a way of capturing the demons when they rifted in, you could make yourself a small army and make lightning weapons

Nagisawa Takumi wrote:China 2 needs some drastic errata-ing. I have the book in my hand and boy does it look like it was a rush job!

I am going to start my own thread on this.

a) welcome to Palladium books... you never noticed? l

I still haven't received a response from Wayne yet, I'll try resending the mail in another few days if still not reply.

Just in case anyone else was curious, I received a response from Wayne Breaux:

The Rifter to me
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Hi James. Sorry this took so long. I overlooked your e-mail.

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At 08:30 PM 8/30/2004, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I was reading through China 2, and noticed that the damages listed on
>page 152 for the King Cannon has the same damage (2D4x10 M.D.) for
>both the mini-gun AND the Railgun. Is this a typo or intentional? If
>intentional, what use is the mini-gun if the Railgun does the same
>damage with a longer range. Also, does the mini-gun use the multiple
>target spray rules?


As for whether this was a typo or not, I'm honestly not sure. Either way,
it's what it says, so here's how I'd handle it.

The Mini-Gun is useful for spray firing at close range. I'd say you could
hit 1D4 targets (each of whom gets to dodge) and inflict 2D4 M.D. to each
of them, which could make it an effective anti-personnel weapon.

Wayne Smith
Palladium Books