Heavy Energy Weapons

Athos · Unread post by **Athos** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:28 pm

Is there a list somewhere of all the heavy energy weapons?

What determines if something is an energy rifle or a HEW? Is there some clear and fast guideline?

Nekira Sudacne · Sat Sep 11, 2004 5:50 pm

weight. the only things I know qualify as heavy weapons are rail Guns.

Killer Cyborg · Sat Sep 11, 2004 6:12 pm

Main Book, p. 33

"Includes plasma ejector, rail guns, and similar high tech, megadamage weapons."

So if it's a plasma ejector or a railgun, then it takes WP Heavy Energy.

As for "similar high tech" weapons, I'd include Particle Beamers such as the NG-P7 and such. Probably not Ion beamers, though.

Athos · Unread post by **Athos** » Sat Sep 11, 2004 8:40 pm

Thanks, this all helps. I wish the text were clearer on this one, maybe it will make the errata some day.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Sun Sep 12, 2004 8:13 pm

volkmar wrote:i consider the following to be heavy "energy" weapons:
-Plasma ejectors of any kind
-Particle beams of any kind
-Rail guns
-Missile/rocket MD launchers

That is basically it.

bad call mac

the NG 45 LP is a particle beam weapon, it's still first and foremost a pistol.
Weight and maniability are still foremost in determining what is a "rifle" and what is "heavy energy"

Also missile and rocket launchers would just be "heavy weapons", not "heavy energy"

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 10:20 am

Septicrazor wrote: I also remember a reference that Rail Guns are considered Heavy Energy, but Im not going to dig for the reference. All of us wish there was a hard and fast list to denote heavy from heavy energy and just plain energy, but it does not exist.

It's in the main book under the skill description I believe.

And AMEN!

Typically I rule that lasers are "energy"

Plasma and P-Beam are "Heavy energy"

Ion weapons occupy a middle ground.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:14 pm

Personally... I have problems with weapons like the C 27 plasma gun.

There is general consensus that plasma throwers ought to be classed as heavy energy ... but that baby is only 12 lb ... a big baby among rifles, but still a little light to be classified as a heavy weapon... it's still easily man portable and does not need support or anything and can be fired problemlessly from the shoulder or hip

(SHIFTY) · Unread post by **(SHIFTY)** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:14 pm

usually if your strength is 24 or above you can carry most heavy weapons.

Killer Cyborg · Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:04 pm

Everybody seems to be interpeting "Heavy Energy Weapons" as reading
Energy Weapons that are heavy.

I don't think that's the meaning at all.

I read it as:

Energy Weapons with Heavy Firepower.

PigLickJF · Unread post by **PigLickJF** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 11:09 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:Everybody seems to be interpeting "Heavy Energy Weapons" as reading
Energy Weapons that are heavy.

I don't think that's the meaning at all.

I read it as:

Energy Weapons with Heavy Firepower.

Same here. Actual weight doesn't really have much to do with it (except that heavy firepower weapons tend to be larger and heavier).

PigLick

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 7:05 am

Killer Cyborg wrote:Everybody seems to be interpeting "Heavy Energy Weapons" as reading
Energy Weapons that are heavy.

I don't think that's the meaning at all.

I read it as:

Energy Weapons with Heavy Firepower.

to be precise, I read it as "energy weapons (including rail guns) that are too big (or not properly conformed) to be used as normal rifles"

I think that if the weapon is of such shape, size and weight as to be, for practical purposes, a rifle, it ought to be treated as one, regardless of actual firepower.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:31 pm

So, basically you suppress the "Heavy Weapons" WP and meld it in to the the Heavy energy one?

That's a way to proceed

Borast · Unread post by **Borast** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 4:15 pm

volkmar wrote:2) If Rail guns that are a sort of suped up Machineguns goes in heavy "energy" weapons then MD rocket launchers and stuff like that might fit there as well... then of course you can see this guy that can use a Coalition Rocket launcher fumbling around with a RPG-7. But then the Coalition Rocket launcher is WAY higher tech and that might justify the problem as Heavy weapons, as a rule, tend to have much more fuss to shoot than rifles (that tend to be "remove safety, aim and squeeze the trigger").

Actually, railguns, while projectile weapons, are classed as "Heavy Energy" because they use an energy propellant system (ie: energised metallic rails) instead of a chemical propellant.

The MD RLs and GLs therefore don't fit into this catagory...although I suppose you could create an RPG based on a magnetically active rod so you can fire it from a rail or coil gun!

(It would still not "qualify" because it's still an indirect weapon...)