Question about vampirs

Athos · Unread post by **Athos** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 1:14 pm

UV light does nothing. Globe of Daylight will keep them at bay but not damage them. Only actual sunlight can kill them and it causes 1d6 x 10 hp per melee of exposure.

Ancient weapons of wood and silver do double damage direct to hp.

Water gun blast 2d6 to hp

Silver bullets, normal damage to hp.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:25 pm

Geronimo 2.0 wrote:Crosses and globe of daylight spells will. But I eliminate the water weakness and the aversion to crosses. Vampires are not Judeao-Christian in their origin so why would the symbol of a modern faith have any effect on such a creature? The fish was the first symbol of the early Christians, ya wanna have people fighting vampires with fish too?
I can just see it...

"Back foul creature of the night! Back!" *said while brandishing a mackerel.*

Personally, I allow use of holy symbols, if they are a reflection of the user's true faith.
So a christian uses crosses

a jew could present a menorah or tape a star of david shape to his lamp.

a muslim would use a crescent shape or something colored green

a Norse person would use Thor's hammer

and so on and so forth...

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 2:27 pm

Illithid13 wrote:Is it sun light or UV light? Would a high powered UV flashlight cause them to shrink back?

It's the sun in it's symbolic/elemental role as lifegiver.
which is why artificial light (even globe of sunlight) can't be as good

Nekira Sudacne · Mon Sep 13, 2004 3:26 pm

svartalf wrote:
Illithid13 wrote:Is it sun light or UV light? Would a high powered UV flashlight cause them to shrink back?

It's the sun in it's symbolic/elemental role as lifegiver.
which is why artificial light (even globe of sunlight) can't be as good

no it says point-blank that globe of daylight is real sunlight and just as good.

also, it's NOT UV light. there's something magical about the sun in particular.

also, prehaps the cross work because the jeudo-christian god has a particular thing aginst vampires?

Daniel Stoker · Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:08 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:
svartalf wrote:
Illithid13 wrote:Is it sun light or UV light? Would a high powered UV flashlight cause them to shrink back?

It's the sun in it's symbolic/elemental role as lifegiver.
which is why artificial light (even globe of sunlight) can't be as good

no it says point-blank that globe of daylight is real sunlight and just as good.

also, it's NOT UV light. there's something magical about the sun in particular.

also, prehaps the cross work because the jeudo-christian god has a particular thing aginst vampires?

Well the Jeudo god has a thing against Demons of all kinds as well as several forms of monsters if you read through some of the stranger Kabalah books but outside of bad vampire novels I don't think there's any biblical evidance to explain why the Christian god has such issues with them.

Daniel Stoker

RoadWarriorFWaNK · Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:15 pm

the cross works because the book says it does.
if you really need a reason, make up something like "Ten thousand years ago a hero with a giant cross beat back the vampire hordes and nearly exterminated them......"

Nekira Sudacne · Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:22 pm

Daniel Stoker wrote:
Nekira Sudacne wrote:
svartalf wrote:
Illithid13 wrote:Is it sun light or UV light? Would a high powered UV flashlight cause them to shrink back?

It's the sun in it's symbolic/elemental role as lifegiver.
which is why artificial light (even globe of sunlight) can't be as good

no it says point-blank that globe of daylight is real sunlight and just as good.

also, it's NOT UV light. there's something magical about the sun in particular.

also, prehaps the cross work because the jeudo-christian god has a particular thing aginst vampires?

Well the Jeudo god has a thing against Demons of all kinds as well as several forms of monsters if you read through some of the stranger Kabalah books but outside of bad vampire novels I don't think there's any biblical evidance to explain why the Christian god has such issues with them.

Daniel Stoker

well, we could look to the Vamipre: the Mascerade for the reason. . . but that's crossing games.

prehaps Kevin was a fan back in the day?

Daniel Stoker · Mon Sep 13, 2004 4:53 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:well, we could look to the Vamipre: the Mascerade for the reason. . . but that's crossing games.

prehaps Kevin was a fan back in the day?

I think he just watched to many bad vampire movies growing up.

Daniel Stoker

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 7:48 pm

Nekira Sudacne wrote:
svartalf wrote:It's the sun in it's symbolic/elemental role as lifegiver.
which is why artificial light (even globe of sunlight) can't be as good

no it says point-blank that globe of daylight is real sunlight and just as good.

also, it's NOT UV light. there's something magical about the sun in particular.

also, prehaps the cross work because the jeudo-christian god has a particular thing aginst vampires?

It says point blank (VK p 28) that Glob of Daylight creates true DAY light, not SUN light and can't destroy a vampire.

I guess it says a cross because the generally known lore in the Western world is tainted with christianity and so assumes the cross the be the one and only apotropaic symbol that works. That and the fact that KS seems to be a complete religion ignoramus, not even able to make the difference between a catholic and an orthodox, let alone think seriously and efficiently on any religion outside christianity.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:38 am

CyberPaladin85 wrote:
svartalf wrote:It says point blank (VK p 28) that Glob of Daylight creates true DAY light, not SUN light and can't destroy a vampire.

Actually, on page 203 of the PFRPG Book 8: The Western Empire, it says that if put into a vampire's coffin, a Globe of Daylight with do 4D6 HP per melee round.

funny... my copy has something on p 216 that specifies 3D6/minute instead, and only when cast inside a vamp's still mostly closed coffin... and that's because the dose is highly concentrated and inflicted inside the beings resting place. otherwise, it repeats p 28 of Vampire Kingdoms and says it justs keeps them at bay.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 9:46 am

Another possibility is that the Cross is in fact the True Universal Rune for Death. Has been so ever since Humakt used the primordial sword of that name to cut down Grandfather Mortal, ancestor of all mortal races.

As such, it is antithetic and noxious to undead, and hurts them with no regard to who wields it.

Of course, I expect the mods to censor me for using Runequest material.

Killer Cyborg · Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:43 pm

Here's the real deal on crosses:

The original Vampire Intelligence, before it budded and spawned the others, was a peaceful being who lived in an easily accessible dimension where it welcomed all visitors with open tentacles.

Then a radical group of door-to-door Christians showed up and traumatized the poor thing so badly with their barrage of propaganda that it went insane, turned evil, started drinking blood, and became so oversensatised to the sign of the cross that even today its decendants recoil in fear and pain at the sight of the hated sigil.

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:49 pm

Lol... Let me present our two new Star Vampire Hunting OCCs : the Mormon Missionary and Jehovah Witness !!

Vrykolas2k · Unread post by **Vrykolas2k** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:51 pm

svartalf wrote:Lol... Let me present our two new Star Vampire Hunting OCCs : the Mormon Missionary and Jehovah Witness !!

Killer Cyborg · Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:52 pm

svartalf wrote:Lol... Let me present our two new Star Vampire Hunting OCCs : the Mormon Missionary and Jehovah Witness !!

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't use the Cross. They think that Jesus was crucified on a post.
Which, if the crucifixion WAS the reason for vamps fearing the cross, would put vamps in a tough spot; any time they saw a verticle line, they'd be in trouble.

Daniel Stoker · Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:55 pm

Illithid13 wrote:
Other than the fact that the Christian God is against evil, Yea, I can agree with you

What, and the cross does damage against any OTHER 'evil' being? There is no specific reason why the cross would have such an effect on vamps that can be explained biblically. (Yes ignoring the ENTIRE WW Caine first vampire thing.)

Daniel Stoker

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:55 pm

ooops... I'd forgotten that one... but heck, the cross being established historical fact, ... well, they just stand perfectly for radical christians, and they still admit He was crucified don't they?

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:56 pm

Daniel Stoker wrote:
Illithid13 wrote:
Other than the fact that the Christian God is against evil, Yea, I can agree with you

What, and the cross does damage against any OTHER 'evil' being? There is no specific reason why the cross would have such an effect on vamps that can be explained biblically. (Yes ignoring the ENTIRE WW Caine first vampire thing.)

Daniel Stoker

You mean that Cain was crucified for killing his brother?

Daniel Stoker · Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:57 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:
svartalf wrote:Lol... Let me present our two new Star Vampire Hunting OCCs : the Mormon Missionary and Jehovah Witness !!

The Jehovah's Witnesses don't use the Cross. They think that Jesus was crucified on a post.
Which, if the crucifixion WAS the reason for vamps fearing the cross, would put vamps in a tough spot; any time they saw a verticle line, they'd be in trouble.

How exactly do you crucify someone to a post? His hands ot his side behind him?

Daniel Stoker

Benito Pulatso · Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:59 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:The Jehovah's Witnesses don't use the Cross. They think that Jesus was crucified on a post.
Which, if the crucifixion WAS the reason for vamps fearing the cross, would put vamps in a tough spot; any time they saw a verticle line, they'd be in trouble.

Um, not to stray from topic, but what do the JWs refer to is as, because if it's not a cross you're being attached to, it's not "crucifixion".

Svartalf · Unread post by **Svartalf** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 2:01 pm

Daniel Stoker wrote:How exactly do you crucify someone to a post? His hands ot his side behind him?

Daniel Stoker

Just don't ask ... I guess that the founder of the False Witnesses just had a weird and erroneous conception that he made canon in his religion and that indoctrinated members just spout mindlessly.

because the very principle of crucifiction relies on that cross shape and the condemned hanging that way.