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Well, some of th especialist teams that were particularly extra elite would be bet modeled after Advanced Recon rather than standard Recon.

Give them an apporpriate rank, and assign them the apporpriate missions and its all good.

You might want to check out Military Skill Programs first. Though it's more for N&S than Recon itself.

My group already did this back in the late 80's. Of course the treatment we gave the SEALs was a little unbalanced. they came out with a buttload of skills. But if you are interested I will se if I can find the write up and post it.

pulphero wrote:

Trooper Jim wrote:My group already did this back in the late 80's. Of course the treatment we gave the SEALs was a little unbalanced. they came out with a buttload of skills. But if you are interested I will se if I can find the write up and post it.

Absolutely.

Out of curosity--I understand how SEALs end up with more skills than Rangers because everyone is layered with the underwater skills. However didn't your Force Recon look pretty much the same?

Yea our Recon Marines ended up looking allot like our SEALs. But we mostly played SEALs so I didn't put much effort into the Marines.
P.S. I am still looking for our work ups. as soon as i locate them I ill pot em.

OK here we go. I am warning you guys that our SEAL mos was kinda munchie. So without further adieu.

Navy SEAL MOS
Nam isn’t just the Army’s show. One of the most highly decorated and effective combat units belongs to the U.S. Navy. Members of a SEAL RT are trained very differently then there Army counterparts. This MOS encompasses both the basic training skills and the primary MOS skills.
SEAL Basic Training Skills
Assault Rifle
Pistol
Submachine Gun
Basic Infantry
Grenade Throwing
Knife Fighting
Unarmed Combat
Climbing
Night Fighting – Detect Enemy
Night Fighting – Rapid Movement
Rappelling
Silent Movement
Basic Airborne
SCUBA: basic
Underwater Navigation
Rebreathers
Underwater Demolitions
Demolitions

6 combat skills, 10 non combat skills, not bad for an elite frce.

While scouring my hard drive I found a file that contained Updated material for Recon. So I figured i would post it here. I tweaked the SEAL mos abit, along with adding an actual Navy basic training package. After reading over this I like this version better then the one I posted yesterday (which was gleaned from notes scrawled my Recon book).

United States Navy Basic Training.
This replaces the generic basic training covered in the original book
Military Etiquette
Climbing
Swimming
Assault Rifle (M-16)
Basic Seamanship
Navy SEAL MOS
Nam isn’t just the Army’s show. One of the most highly decorated and effective combat units belongs to the U.S. Navy. Members of a SEAL RT are trained very differently then there Army counterparts.
SEAL Basic Training Skills
Camouflage
Pistol
Submachine Gun
Basic Infantry
Grenade Throwing
Knife Fighting
Unarmed Combat
Night Fighting – Detect Enemy
Night Fighting – Rapid Movement
Rappelling
Silent Movement
Basic Airborne
SCUBA: basic
Underwater Navigation
Underwater Demolitions
Rebreathers
Demolitions

New Skills
Basic Seamanship: This skill is to the Navy what the Basic Infantry Training skill to the Army and Marines. Upon completion of basic training the character is expected to know the basic of what it takes to be a sailor in the modern Navy.
Camouflage: (See page 54 of Heroes Unlimited RPG) Base effectiveness is 30%
Military Etiquette: (See page 54 of Heroes Unlimited RPG) Base effectiveness is 25%

Is the basic navy seaman trained in use fo an assult rifle or just the infantry combat arms like the SEALs?

To the best of my knowlege every armed sevice branch is trained in the basics. My uncle was in a seal team in Vietnam, from what he said weapons training was minimal in navy boot, verse the the army and marines. But that also depends on what training program a recruit is going through. There is a special program that navy recruits go through, to condition them for BUDs. Getting back to the main topic, navy personel would receive some training, although not as indepth as a marine or army infantry recruit.

Naval recruits would be taught the basics on an M16. The marines and army take it a step further, orientating recruits to more advanced weapon systems, which include, squad based weapons, anti tank, landmines etc. I served in the 82nd Airborne.Going through basic, I was taught the basics on M16, S.A.W, 240, M60, Barrata, various hand gernades. After basic, I went to a heavy weapons school. This school taught us, the 50 cal, Mark-19, and the TOW; later replaced with the ITAS.

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

Merc Inc. wrote:Naval recruits would be taught the basics on an M16. The marines and army take it a step further, orientating recruits to more advanced weapon systems, which include, squad based weapons, anti tank, landmines etc. I served in the 82nd Airborne.Going through basic, I was taught the basics on M16, S.A.W, 240, M60, Barrata, various hand gernades. After basic, I went to a heavy weapons school. This school taught us, the 50 cal, Mark-19, and the TOW; later replaced with the ITAS.

They get more than just the basics in learning the M-16, it is their primary rifle, after all.

Actually, no they don't get trained in the M-16, some may be trained in the M-14, but it's not a part of Basic Training.

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:

Kuseru Satsujin wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:They get more than just the basics in learning the M-16, it is their primary rifle, after all.

Actually, no they don't get trained in the M-16, some may be trained in the M-14, but it's not a part of Basic Training.

I didn't say it was a part of Basic Training, just a part of the SEALs weaponry.

Merc Inc wasn't talking about SEALs, he was talking about "naval recruits." You might want to be more specific if you're not discussing the same thing as everyone else.

I tend to break down different groups in my game. In other words, I have different skill "packages" for SEALs, LRRPs, Marine Force Recon, etc. based on historical accuracy. Currently, my two campaigns are centered around the SEALs in the Mekong Delta and F/58th LRP (Company L 75th Rangers after 1 Feb 69) with the 101st Airborne division. Both of these units have completely different skill sets due to their specific operations in Vietnam. I have even put together a package for Recondo School and MACV Recondo School for my LRRP teams.

wrbarnett wrote:I tend to break down different groups in my game. In other words, I have different skill "packages" for SEALs, LRRPs, Marine Force Recon, etc. based on historical accuracy.

this was the direction we were going in our games. But all i ever got around to doing was the SEALs and Marine Recon. Although I did remake the basic training packages based on service.As for historical accuracy all the information we had advailable at the time was an old Blue Jacketts manuel (circa late 60's). So most of My US Navy info is based on pure conjecture and what I have read in books. So if the whole M16 thing bugs ya, change it.

Our RECON games are usually ugly.

RECON campaigns produce a different kind of hero than most other games - there is a marked lack of glamour with RECON heroes.

Although our PF campaigns are generally gritty undertakings.