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I'd say Iceman - he has WAY more control over his powers, and, thanks to tampering by Loki and Mikhail Rasputin, he is now more powerful than ever. Not to mention his powers are far more versatile (and he knows how to use them thanks to help from the White Queen).

Now I'm not going to say it'd be a breeze for Iceman, but I think Bobby is the far more powerful, experienced and capable of the two.

P.S.: Not to mention in the mainstream comic reality Pyro died from the legacy virus.

in the begining it would be even
but as icy got older hes gotten close
to goku like power

Bobby Drake all the way.

He's cool.
Pyro, he's not so hot.

Iceman.
The competition is dead for one, and for another Pyro needed an outside source to even use his Power.

It's unanimous so far -- Iceman.

Yisterwald wrote:It's unanimous so far -- Iceman.

I wouldn't call 6 to 1 exactly unanimous...

Heh -- I didn't even look at the poll, just the replies.

Though I'm not the biggest Iceman fan, I like Pyro even less. Maybe becase he's a limey, maybe because he's just plain unlikable. But when he died from the Legacy Virus, I didnt' shed a single tear.

All Iceman has to do is fire a few iceshards at Pyro's fuel tank, and Pyro would be outta luck.

Dead Boy wrote:Though I'm not the biggest Iceman fan, I like Pyro even less. Maybe becase he's a limey, maybe because he's just plain unlikable. But when he died from the Legacy Virus, I didnt' shed a single tear.

Actually, I think Pyro's an Australian.

I'm pretty sure this one has been done by Marvel before anyway.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

Dead Boy wrote:Though I'm not the biggest Iceman fan, I like Pyro even less. Maybe becase he's a limey, maybe because he's just plain unlikable. But when he died from the Legacy Virus, I didnt' shed a single tear.

Actually, I think Pyro's an Australian.

You're right.
St. John Allerdyce, A.K.A. Pyro, is/was a citizen of Australia. I don't know what happened to the status of his citizenship when he became a member of Freedom Force.

Magneto - You are a god among insects.

And this is perfectly true: In a Marvel Universe where these characters are the only ones with powers. No Silver Surfer, no Avengers, no Fantastic Four, etc.

I'm voting Pyro Unless you're talking about Ultimate version of Iceman who no longer could turn human form again and froze everything he touched without concentration.
But -- Iceman would get eaten by Pyro's Fire creations and not to mention draw out all the moisture out of the air with his heat .... Iceman would only win by Ignoring the strength of Pyro's power and ignoring iceman's weaknessses.
in other words, Plot Throwing.


Pyro's Other power was to animate flame and give it their own "life" to create servants. This was also in Ultimates version (where the legacy nonsense never existed, except in alternate storylines, Like in Exiles)

Gomen_Nagai wrote:I'm voting Pyro Unless you're talking about Ultimate version of Iceman who no longer could turn human form again and froze everything he touched without concentration.
But -- Iceman would get eaten by Pyro's Fire creations and not to mention draw out all the moisture out of the air with his heat .... Iceman would only win by Ignoring the strength of Pyro's power and ignoring iceman's weaknessses.
in other words, Plot Throwing.


Pyro's Other power was to animate flame and give it their own "life" to create servants. This was also in Ultimates version (where the legacy nonsense never existed, except in alternate storylines, Like in Exiles)

According to the Official Handbook, Human Torch gets hotter then Pyros' flames.
Iceman has fought Torch to a standstill. And at the time, each believed the other was a villain, so no pulled punches out of friendship or any other such.
Bobby can bring the temperature down fast enough to affect Pyro before he'd have a chance to turn up the heat.

um. the human torch pulls his punches all the time, if he did not The city would melt from the intense heat he can make.
... iceman Does not Win unless you Take an alterante storyline iceman and thus the only way to equalize it is to take pyro from the alternate storyline.

And according to the OLD rpg : Iceman Was only remarkable ice generation ( Which is a real pain to Robot Characters.. but to mutants? c'mon.. )

Sure his reliance upon flame throwers is a hindrance but that's why you always carry extras.


Think Colonel Mustang vs Iceman (Mustang is from Full Metal Alchemist) ... I don't see Iceman surviving someone who can with a snap of his fingers, set afire a whole building.


Iceman was able to fight the torch to a stand still cause he was able to create alot of ice to keep the torch occupied. that alone won't save him.

Pyro can't control heat: only open flame. Once Iceman lowers the ambient temperature to his maximum,-105 degrees F. Pyro has problems.
Cold enogh to crack the fuel lines on Pryos' flame thrower, and cold enough to frostbite his lungs from the frigid air.

Cheat how?
There's no rules to violate here.
Iceman is no Dudley Do-Right.

Ranger wrote:Iceman all the way. One can create Ice and snow out of thin air the other can only control a flame source.

And not just ice: Iceman (unlike Pyro) actually can control temperature.
As in, lower the intensisty of the fire Pyro is controlling.
Also, Pyro can be burnt if taken by surprise: If he wasn't controlling it in the first place, it can hurt him.(unlike the Torch, who cannot be burnt except by magical or supernatural fire such as that created by Hellstrom or Ghost Rider).

iceman has repeatedly Lost to alot of people and only won cause the people like Cyclops and wolverine and beast heled defeat them.


pyro can melt the ice armor off the old iceman.


Pyro was killed because they dind't want any non american mutants running about during the legacy virus storlyine.


The Ultimates version of Pyro can create fire creatures and doesn't need a flame source anymore. just fuel.. of which oxygen is enough..

Sentinel wrote:Pyro can't control heat: only open flame. Once Iceman lowers the ambient temperature to his maximum,-105 degrees F. Pyro has problems.
Cold enogh to crack the fuel lines on Pryos' flame thrower, and cold enough to frostbite his lungs from the frigid air.

NOt to quibble but, er, don't you mean minimum?

Lord High RikOcasek wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Pyro can't control heat: only open flame. Once Iceman lowers the ambient temperature to his maximum,-105 degrees F. Pyro has problems.
Cold enogh to crack the fuel lines on Pryos' flame thrower, and cold enough to frostbite his lungs from the frigid air.

NOt to quibble but, er, don't you mean minimum?

Well, I suppose so. As I was describing a power level, I figured "maximum" was the appropriate term.

Oh, wait, you said you weren't quibbiling...

Gomen_Nagai wrote:I'm voting Pyro Unless you're talking about Ultimate version of Iceman who no longer could turn human form again and froze everything he touched without concentration.
But -- Iceman would get eaten by Pyro's Fire creations and not to mention draw out all the moisture out of the air with his heat .... Iceman would only win by Ignoring the strength of Pyro's power and ignoring iceman's weaknessses.
in other words, Plot Throwing.


Pyro's Other power was to animate flame and give it their own "life" to create servants. This was also in Ultimates version (where the legacy nonsense never existed, except in alternate storylines, Like in Exiles)

Pyro can only manipulate and control existing sources of flame - he cannot control the temperature of an area as you suggest.

Iceman can Create ice from thin air (even desert air has enough moisture to work), shaping it into objects, barriers, projectiles; basically whatever he wishes.

He can also control temperature - reducing the temperature of an area or to specific objects, making them as brittle as glass (the AoA Iceman even used this on living people, while the mainstream Iceman would use it to give people "brain freeze" - incapacitaing them, or on specific equipment - destroying it).

He can also completely transform his body into Ice, giving him full control of his body structure (much like Apocalypse's power) and making him extremely resistant to harm (the mainstream Iceman had a basketball-sized hole blown through his chest and ws still up and around, and the AoA version showed that he can in fact be blown apart and still reform later).

You also have to remember that Iceman has been given several "power boosts" in the past (once by Loki and another time by Mikhail Rasputin) and the White Queen has helped him relaise his vast potential.

Add in the other little factors (greater mobility via Ice-Slide, the ability to see into the infra-red spectrum, etc) and Iceman is far more powerful than many people give him credit for (and more powerful than he even realizes).

Sentinel Says:

Illithid13 wrote:

Sentinel wrote:Sentinel Says:

how is this a service oriented message?

As the post preceding mine supported my earlier position, I'd say Self-Serving.

Pyro wins cause iceman sucks in MSH : )

Gomen_Nagai wrote:Pyro wins cause iceman sucks in MSH : )

Lots of characters suck in MSH: The game writer often did not get stats correct, despite being given access to The Official Handbook.

Sentinel's maximum change comment is correctly stated because -105 degrees is the maximum change, not the maximum temp. That is what + and - are for.

Cold enough to freeze the testicles off a Brass Monkey.
Is that cold enough?

Sentinel wrote:Cold enough to freeze the testicles off a Brass Monkey.
Is that cold enough?

that funky monkey?

"Got to meet the plane so I can get my monkey, teach him to be cool but a little bit funky..."
Butthole Surfers.
Dracula From Houston from the album Weird Revolution.

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:When I started the poll, I was thinking people would go for Pyro.

I'm shocked.

A better contest would be the Torch when he was amplified out of control (FF, around the 320s, vol I), and Iceman when Loki amplified his powers out of control.

Iceman. He has more experience, has more potential, and has more versatility than Pyro. I admit it would be close (due to the nature of the characters) but Bobby really should be the winner here.

Sentinel wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:When I started the poll, I was thinking people would go for Pyro.

I'm shocked.

A better contest would be the Torch when he was amplified out of control (FF, around the 320s, vol I), and Iceman when Loki amplified his powers out of control.

That'd be a tough fight. BOth of them would be pretty steamed.

Lord High RikOcasek wrote:

Sentinel wrote:

C.R.A.F.T. wrote:When I started the poll, I was thinking people would go for Pyro.

I'm shocked.

A better contest would be the Torch when he was amplified out of control (FF, around the 320s, vol I), and Iceman when Loki amplified his powers out of control.

That'd be a tough fight. BOth of them would be pretty steamed.