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In Chaos earth the glitter boy is referred to by it's original name, Chromium guardsman. It's stated that this name was lost during the dark age and now everyone simply calls them glitter boys.

My question is this: what are the chances of the original name being lost and staying lost? Free quebec discovered an intact glitter boy factory during the dark age, the NGR survived the cataclysm mostly intact,(they didn't have GB tech, but they must have had information about their existence.) rogue scholars are always searching for and reading pre-rifts texts. Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

This is mostly a roleplaying detail, I like the idea of most people still calling them glitter boys, and some glitter boy pilots (particulary descended GBs) being snobbish and insisting on being called Chromium Guardsmen.

chaos earth is revisionist clap trap and you should ignore the rubbish that it is.. in case you don't remember, the Chaos Earth Time period ends 200 years before the Coalition Period.

I disagree gomen. I think that Chaos earth is a very useful suppliment and the pre rifts names can be very interesting if incorporated into a game well.

Kalinda wrote: Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

Well, they do know it is Pre-rifts tech, which is why CS doesn't use it. I'd say that anyone in the "know" knows what the GB's are really called, but for the most part, they have addopted the new name of Glitterboys. It's what the common people know them as and unless specifically grown up around someone who is a stickler for that, they themselves probably have grown up calling them Glitterboys. They probably only used the term Chromium Guardsman as a passing history lesson.

Agreed.

It's another one of the retro-active continuity things. Considering the amount of pre-Rifts data that has been unearthed by varous sources, it does seem unlikely that the names 'NEMA' and 'Chromium Gaurdsman' would be completely lost to the sands of time. Of course even Pre-Rifts folks weren't aware of the CG's correct name, until Chaos Earth was released a short time ago.

Chromium Guardsmen may have been the Official military name of the armor, but the average person may have given it the nickname of "Glitterboy" and the name stuck. How many pieces of military equipment have nicknames by which the public knows them, that aren't the real name?

The Galactus Kid wrote:Chromium Guardsmen may have been the Official military name of the armor, but the average person may have given it the nickname of "Glitterboy" and the name stuck. How many pieces of military equipment have nicknames by which the public knows them, that aren't the real name?

You mean like 'Warthog' instead of 'Thunderbolt II' for example? 'BUFF' for the B-52, 'Wobbly Goblin' for the F-117, etc.

In that context, I suppose it does make a fair amount of sense. 'Glitterboy' certainly rolls off the tongue more easily than 'Chromium Gaurdsman'

Gomen_Nagai wrote:chaos earth is revisionist clap trap and you should ignore the rubbish that it is.. in case you don't remember, the Chaos Earth Time period ends 200 years before the Coalition Period.

Thanks for the input Gomen. We can always count on you...

Kelorin wrote:

The Galactus Kid wrote:Chromium Guardsmen may have been the Official military name of the armor, but the average person may have given it the nickname of "Glitterboy" and the name stuck. How many pieces of military equipment have nicknames by which the public knows them, that aren't the real name?

You mean like 'Warthog' instead of 'Thunderbolt II' for example? 'BUFF' for the B-52, 'Wobbly Goblin' for the F-117, etc.

In that context, I suppose it does make a fair amount of sense. 'Glitterboy' certainly rolls off the tongue more easily than 'Chromium Gaurdsman'

Yup, it certainly does. which is why most people would still refer to it as a Glitterboy even if they knew the original name, but there are always purists out there who get all huffy if you use a nickname like that. I thought it would be kind of funny to have a stuck up descended glittleboy who got bent out of shape every time someone called him a GB.

Kalinda wrote:

Kelorin wrote:

The Galactus Kid wrote:Chromium Guardsmen may have been the Official military name of the armor, but the average person may have given it the nickname of "Glitterboy" and the name stuck. How many pieces of military equipment have nicknames by which the public knows them, that aren't the real name?

You mean like 'Warthog' instead of 'Thunderbolt II' for example? 'BUFF' for the B-52, 'Wobbly Goblin' for the F-117, etc.

In that context, I suppose it does make a fair amount of sense. 'Glitterboy' certainly rolls off the tongue more easily than 'Chromium Gaurdsman'

Yup, it certainly does. which is why most people would still refer to it as a Glitterboy even if they knew the original name, but there are always purists out there who get all huffy if you use a nickname like that. I thought it would be kind of funny to have a stuck up descended glittleboy who got bent out of shape every time someone called him a GB.

play it simple.

NO ONE remembers the origional name. NO records of the origional NAME exsist.

problem solved

Some people may know it.
But they don't care.

They are Glitterboys now.

Kalinda wrote:In Chaos earth the glitter boy is referred to by it's original name, Chromium guardsman. It's stated that this name was lost during the dark age and now everyone simply calls them glitter boys.

My question is this: what are the chances of the original name being lost and staying lost? Free quebec discovered an intact glitter boy factory during the dark age, the NGR survived the cataclysm mostly intact,(they didn't have GB tech, but they must have had information about their existence.) rogue scholars are always searching for and reading pre-rifts texts. Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

This is mostly a roleplaying detail, I like the idea of most people still calling them glitter boys, and some glitter boy pilots (particulary descended GBs) being snobbish and insisting on being called Chromium Guardsmen.

Saying the discovery of designs would reveal the original name is like saying that "Strike Eagle" for the F-15's, "Fighting Falcon" is on the F-16's or "Raptor" is on the F-22's. All military orders and construction forms will not have the U.N. designator on paper. So it is quite likely that they'd never find any documentation that stated Chromium Guardsmen. WHEN I play GB's the vehicle is a GB and the pilots are called Boomers so the OCC is Boomer. Not GB pilot.

Zer0 Kay wrote:

Kalinda wrote:In Chaos earth the glitter boy is referred to by it's original name, Chromium guardsman. It's stated that this name was lost during the dark age and now everyone simply calls them glitter boys.

My question is this: what are the chances of the original name being lost and staying lost? Free quebec discovered an intact glitter boy factory during the dark age, the NGR survived the cataclysm mostly intact,(they didn't have GB tech, but they must have had information about their existence.) rogue scholars are always searching for and reading pre-rifts texts. Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

This is mostly a roleplaying detail, I like the idea of most people still calling them glitter boys, and some glitter boy pilots (particulary descended GBs) being snobbish and insisting on being called Chromium Guardsmen.

Saying the discovery of designs would reveal the original name is like saying that "Strike Eagle" for the F-15's, "Fighting Falcon" is on the F-16's or "Raptor" is on the F-22's. All military orders and construction forms will not have the U.N. designator on paper. So it is quite likely that they'd never find any documentation that stated Chromium Guardsmen. WHEN I play GB's the vehicle is a GB and the pilots are called Boomers so the OCC is Boomer. Not GB pilot.

What about the NGR? they didn't have the tech info, but at least part of their infrastructure survived the Rifts intact, that includes librarys, databases and people's homes with computers and magazines in them. all of which could have articles or information about NEMA and the USA-G10. Free Quebec has a trade agreement with the NGR, part of which involved giving the NGR the information needed to build GBs. One would assume that they also sent technical advisors over to instruct the NGR's PA troops in GB tactics. All it would take is one GB pilot asking around and doing computer searches to uncover the name. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be possible.

Also remember that Rogue scholars are always digging up pre-rifts books and such. One surviving copy of Time, with a cover article about NEMA is all it would take.

Kalinda wrote:

Zer0 Kay wrote:

Kalinda wrote:In Chaos earth the glitter boy is referred to by it's original name, Chromium guardsman. It's stated that this name was lost during the dark age and now everyone simply calls them glitter boys.

My question is this: what are the chances of the original name being lost and staying lost? Free quebec discovered an intact glitter boy factory during the dark age, the NGR survived the cataclysm mostly intact,(they didn't have GB tech, but they must have had information about their existence.) rogue scholars are always searching for and reading pre-rifts texts. Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

This is mostly a roleplaying detail, I like the idea of most people still calling them glitter boys, and some glitter boy pilots (particulary descended GBs) being snobbish and insisting on being called Chromium Guardsmen.

Saying the discovery of designs would reveal the original name is like saying that "Strike Eagle" for the F-15's, "Fighting Falcon" is on the F-16's or "Raptor" is on the F-22's. All military orders and construction forms will not have the U.N. designator on paper. So it is quite likely that they'd never find any documentation that stated Chromium Guardsmen. WHEN I play GB's the vehicle is a GB and the pilots are called Boomers so the OCC is Boomer. Not GB pilot.

What about the NGR? they didn't have the tech info, but at least part of their infrastructure survived the Rifts intact, that includes librarys, databases and people's homes with computers and magazines in them. all of which could have articles or information about NEMA and the USA-G10. Free Quebec has a trade agreement with the NGR, part of which involved giving the NGR the information needed to build GBs. One would assume that they also sent technical advisors over to instruct the NGR's PA troops in GB tactics. All it would take is one GB pilot asking around and doing computer searches to uncover the name. I'm not saying it would be easy, but it would be possible.

Also remember that Rogue scholars are always digging up pre-rifts books and such. One surviving copy of Time, with a cover article about NEMA is all it would take.

Quite possible that any pre-existing media or NEMA unclassified plans would list Chromium Guardsmen as a units name but unless their were also images included they may not connect. Then again CE states that the CGs were new even at the time of the appocalypse.

Maybe the armour has a official name that nobody use. Like LY-Globb or something.
So over the years various colourful nicknames has been used glitterboys in the cs era and cronium guardsmen in the Chaos earth era.

Arbaal wrote:

Kalinda wrote:

Kelorin wrote:

The Galactus Kid wrote:Chromium Guardsmen may have been the Official military name of the armor, but the average person may have given it the nickname of "Glitterboy" and the name stuck. How many pieces of military equipment have nicknames by which the public knows them, that aren't the real name?

You mean like 'Warthog' instead of 'Thunderbolt II' for example? 'BUFF' for the B-52, 'Wobbly Goblin' for the F-117, etc.

In that context, I suppose it does make a fair amount of sense. 'Glitterboy' certainly rolls off the tongue more easily than 'Chromium Gaurdsman'

Yup, it certainly does. which is why most people would still refer to it as a Glitterboy even if they knew the original name, but there are always purists out there who get all huffy if you use a nickname like that. I thought it would be kind of funny to have a stuck up descended glittleboy who got bent out of shape every time someone called him a GB.

Lol! We had one in our campaign. Everytime I called him a Glitterboy Pilot he'd get in a snit and spout off about how he was a Chromium Guardsman. Bloody effeminate elitists. A shame he also turned out to be the worst player ever. I actually liked his character concept, as well as jerking him around everytime I would say "Glitterboy"

Glitterboy sounds like an effeminate name for someone from tinsle town. yuck! Who is going to argue with one while their in the armor but once they get out even a high level GB pilot can be tosted by many of the lower powered bullies who would deck em just because saying "I'm a Glitterboy pilot." sounds stupid. I'm a Boomer sounds alot more like the rest of the niks the other OCC's have. You'd never hear a Juicer or Crazy refer to themselves as a Mommas boy or a Cocktail Mixer.

HMM... I had a dog named Boomer, wether or not you call them Glitterboys or Chromium Guardsmen is much more a role-playing issue than a continuity thing, we had a GB pilot in a game 11 YEARS ago call himself and other GB pilots "Chrome Boys" so as far as I see it yes its possible for the CE moniker to be used by elitist type FQ pilots and others who are familiar with pre-rifts history but the majority of people would still call the Glitter Boys.

As a side note on the CS and GBs I always figured that the reason Chi-town outlawed them was because THEY didn't possess the technology to produce or repair them so it was easier to just make them illegal and keep such powerful units out of the hands of those that would use them against Chi-town (usually by blowing them to bits).

Nxla666 wrote:HMM... I had a dog named Boomer, wether or not you call them Glitterboys or Chromium Guardsmen is much more a role-playing issue than a continuity thing, we had a GB pilot in a game 11 YEARS ago call himself and other GB pilots "Chrome Boys" so as far as I see it yes its possible for the CE moniker to be used by elitist type FQ pilots and others who are familiar with pre-rifts history but the majority of people would still call the Glitter Boys.

As a side note on the CS and GBs I always figured that the reason Chi-town outlawed them was because THEY didn't possess the technology to produce or repair them so it was easier to just make them illegal and keep such powerful units out of the hands of those that would use them against Chi-town (usually by blowing them to bits).

"The dog!?
(laughs)
It was named after the dog..."
--Sallah the rogue scientist to Indiana the GB pilot about Boomer his GB.

Atramentus wrote:I rather prefer calling them Glitter-Butts.

I've seen some of the faerie types refer to the pilots as "the man with the shiny home". Which of course cracks me up because the pilot's so often in the GB that strangers think it must be a home that walks like Baba Yaga's.

That is soo messed up yeah but at least it's not chicken legs... unless their running away . You just like calling them Glitter-Butts after that playboy pose of a Gi-gi up against a wall with her pelvis tilted.

I think that's a good character quirk. I may have to steal it from you for an NPCs, as my PCs behin their venture into Free Quebec shortly... I really like that.

As for the chances of the name surviving to post-Rifts times, yes, I imagine it would be known, but to whom and how frequently they'd use it is the issue. I imagine anybody with a solid grasp of history (Rogue Scholars, anyone with the History skill, etc.) would probably know it, but aren't real likely to say it.

"Watch out, sir! A Chromium Guardsmen with a pilot gone berserk!"

"Huh? You mean that there Gliddaboy?"

"...yeah. The 'Gliddaboy'."

Scooter the Outlaw wrote:I think that's a good character quirk. I may have to steal it from you for an NPCs, as my PCs behin their venture into Free Quebec shortly... I really like that.

As for the chances of the name surviving to post-Rifts times, yes, I imagine it would be known, but to whom and how frequently they'd use it is the issue. I imagine anybody with a solid grasp of history (Rogue Scholars, anyone with the History skill, etc.) would probably know it, but aren't real likely to say it.

"Watch out, sir! A Chromium Guardsmen with a pilot gone berserk!"

"Huh? You mean that there Gliddaboy?"

"...yeah. The 'Gliddaboy'."

Steal away Scooter.

Although if I let you take it then it isn't really stealing is it...

NO, You can't steal the idea! I'm giving it to you! So there!

That'll learn em...

darkbrandon wrote:
Well, they do know it is Pre-rifts tech, which is why CS doesn't use it.

Huh? What do you call the SAMAS then? It's a pre-Rifts design, not a Coaltion creation. Why would they not want to use something just because it comes from the golden age? The CS is always trying to re-learn lost tech. Look at Lonestar. The entire place is actually the Tex-Am complex. A Golden Age research and development center for the old American Empire. Can't get more pre-rifts then that!

The only reason the Coalition(meaning Chi-Town) didn't use them was because Free Quebec was the only state with a working factory. FQ had always been more independent then the rest of the CS states, something big daddy Prosek didn't like. He also didn't like not having a Glitterboy factory of his own. Anything he can't control 100% is intolerable to him and must be destroyed! Thus the "Coalition" bias against Glitterboys. You can be sure that if Chi-Town had been the one that uncovered a Glitterboy factory under the ruins of old Chicago they would be a standard CS unit.

Toc Rat wrote:

darkbrandon wrote:

Well, they do know it is Pre-rifts tech, which is why CS doesn't use it.

Huh? What do you call the SAMAS then? It's a pre-Rifts design, not a Coaltion creation. Why would they not want to use something just because it comes from the golden age? The CS is always trying to re-learn lost tech. Look at Lonestar. The entire place is actually the Tex-Am complex. A Golden Age research and development center for the old American Empire. Can't get more pre-rifts then that!

The only reason the Coalition(meaning Chi-Town) didn't use them was because Free Quebec was the only state with a working factory. FQ had always been more independent then the rest of the CS states, something big daddy Prosek didn't like. He also didn't like not having a Glitterboy factory of his own. Anything he can't control 100% is intolerable to him and must be destroyed! Thus the "Coalition" bias against Glitterboys. You can be sure that if Chi-Town had been the one that uncovered a Glitterboy factory under the ruins of old Chicago they would be a standard CS unit.

Maybe/Maybe not. I think it has something to do with the fact that everybody knows it is pre-rifts tech. Granted that if Chi-town had it to start, the CS would use it, in the beginning they couldn't be so picky. Since they have been able to make the CS look like a hot-bed of innovation and safety, they wouldn't want to break that illusion, especially now that they don't see a need for the USA-G10.

Zylo wrote:The way I see it they have the real name, and you used it in your post, the USA-G10. That's the technical term, and I always pictured the term Glitterboy as being more of a slang.

I see just like that.
I think that if you (your character) would have to write a paper about military history, if you speak of a "Chromium Guardsman", the reader must understand that it's about a USA-G10 but before the apocalypse.

Of course, pilots can be so arrogant and ignorant of real culture

You can just rifts in a NEMA,s Platoon like I did.

The reappear some where in Colorado,They go to the Barony of Hope, Where they discover that ther in the Future.

They set up a base in the Barony and become a Mercenary company under the name the Old Timers.

I think only pre-rifts humans will use that name.

Hey don't forget. There is probably a division of the Canadian branch of NEMA alive and well up in the Canadian north at the Tundra Ranger base. From Rifts:Canada, it is indicated that over 10,000 RCMP and Military personnel (which in retrospect I would take as meaning to include NEMA personnel) regrouped at the base. Only to be warped into the future largely intact.

If Canadian NEMA is out there, they probably keep a low profile considering that they don't have the tech to repair, rebuild, and / or make new Chromium Guardsmen or Silver Eagles, and thus use them sparingly.

OOOOH. Kelorin, thats agood cnnection.

Kelorin wrote:Hey don't forget. There is probably a division of the Canadian branch of NEMA alive and well up in the Canadian north at the Tundra Ranger base. From Rifts:Canada, it is indicated that over 10,000 RCMP and Military personnel (which in retrospect I would take as meaning to include NEMA personnel) regrouped at the base. Only to be warped into the future largely intact.

If Canadian NEMA is out there, they probably keep a low profile considering that they don't have the tech to repair, rebuild, and / or make new Chromium Guardsmen or Silver Eagles, and thus use them sparingly.

That did not occur to me, very good point Kelorin.

Kalinda wrote:In Chaos earth the glitter boy is referred to by it's original name, Chromium guardsman. It's stated that this name was lost during the dark age and now everyone simply calls them glitter boys.

My question is this: what are the chances of the original name being lost and staying lost? Free quebec discovered an intact glitter boy factory during the dark age, the NGR survived the cataclysm mostly intact,(they didn't have GB tech, but they must have had information about their existence.) rogue scholars are always searching for and reading pre-rifts texts. Is it realistic that no-one has ever rediscovered the real name of the USA-G10?

This is mostly a roleplaying detail, I like the idea of most people still calling them glitter boys, and some glitter boy pilots (particulary descended GBs) being snobbish and insisting on being called Chromium Guardsmen.

I am ignoring all the arguing and answering only the first post.

Kalinda, you have to remember that a large majority of the people on Rifts Earth are illiterate. In 300 years without the written word or a strong oral tradition (survival, NOT preserving history took prcedence in the Dark Ages) many names and expressions ither lost their meaning or fell to the wayside completely.

As for Triax and the NGR, even though they remained mostly intact during the Cataclysm and the subsequent Dark Ages, they had a lot more on their plate than memorizing the name giving to a power armor of a foreign nation that fell hundreds of years ago. Sure, history books and other media abound in Triax, but after a 300 year reprieve without it, when the CG repeared as the GB via Free Quebec no one had a reason to go digging through texts for the original name of the power armor.

As for Rogue Scholars or whoever discovering the original CODE NAME, it still wouldn't amount to a hill of beans.

Wilderness Farmer: "Hey look, its one of them Glitter Boys."

Rogue Scholar: "Actually, the correct term is 'Chromium Guardsman"

Wilderness Farmer: "Nah uh, what do you know? My pappy and his pappy before him called it a Glitterboy...hell, you are youngr than me!"

Also, although interesting, I severly doubt that Descended Pilots would know the name "Chromium Guardsman." They may have an oral tradition or even a shabby written one. However, they are warriors not historians. Their focus is kicking but, not recording or preserving history.

Jimmy Crat wrote:

Toc Rat wrote:

darkbrandon wrote:

Well, they do know it is Pre-rifts tech, which is why CS doesn't use it.

Huh? What do you call the SAMAS then? It's a pre-Rifts design, not a Coaltion creation. Why would they not want to use something just because it comes from the golden age? The CS is always trying to re-learn lost tech. Look at Lonestar. The entire place is actually the Tex-Am complex. A Golden Age research and development center for the old American Empire. Can't get more pre-rifts then that!

The only reason the Coalition(meaning Chi-Town) didn't use them was because Free Quebec was the only state with a working factory. FQ had always been more independent then the rest of the CS states, something big daddy Prosek didn't like. He also didn't like not having a Glitterboy factory of his own. Anything he can't control 100% is intolerable to him and must be destroyed! Thus the "Coalition" bias against Glitterboys. You can be sure that if Chi-Town had been the one that uncovered a Glitterboy factory under the ruins of old Chicago they would be a standard CS unit.

Maybe/Maybe not. I think it has something to do with the fact that everybody knows it is pre-rifts tech. Granted that if Chi-town had it to start, the CS would use it, in the beginning they couldn't be so picky. Since they have been able to make the CS look like a hot-bed of innovation and safety, they wouldn't want to break that illusion, especially now that they don't see a need for the USA-G10.

Actually, most people in Rifts North America think that the SAMAS is a CS creation. Only a few select groups know the truth.

true.

Josh Sinsapaugh wrote:
Actually, most people in Rifts North America think that the SAMAS is a CS creation. Only a few select groups know the truth.

Irrelevant. The point is that the CS does in fact use pre-rifts technology. They do not go out of their way to ignore superior golden age technnologies just because they did come from before the Rifts as Dark Brandon suggested. With the notable exception of the USA-G10 which I explained in my post.

Zylo wrote:
That still doesn't explain Japan, who had no dark age of survival, and has a slew of Glitterboys and Glitterboy variants with no mention of NEMA or Chromium Guardsmen. Even Mutants in Orbit calls their variants Glitterboys and there is no contact with the surface.

Very good point obviously someone has been reading their books

Toc Rat wrote:

Zylo wrote:
That still doesn't explain Japan, who had no dark age of survival, and has a slew of Glitterboys and Glitterboy variants with no mention of NEMA or Chromium Guardsmen. Even Mutants in Orbit calls their variants Glitterboys and there is no contact with the surface.

Very good point obviously someone has been reading their books

Think A-10 Thunderbolt.

Everyone calls it the Warthog even though that's not it's actual name.

i remember when me and my friends first got the rifts game back in 97'. One the way home from the shop my gm was reading it and my other sarcastic friend say glitter boy written on the back. He proceeded to make jokes about it for 20 minutes before we were all finished reading and we handed it to him. As expected he turned right to the glitter boy and all he said was "that's a big freaking gun..." and was quiet the rest of the night.

Toc Rat wrote:Irrelevant. The point is that the CS does in fact use pre-rifts technology. They do not go out of their way to ignore superior golden age technnologies just because they did come from before the Rifts as Dark Brandon suggested. With the notable exception of the USA-G10 which I explained in my post.

Incorrect. It is not Irrelevant.

CS preaches about the supiriority of their Tech, and that no one should use pre-rifts tech. It's part of their mind control.

Samas's are not known to be pre rifts except by a few.

They do not ignore the Golden age tech, but they will study, change and claim that they (The CS) made it.

GB's on the other hand are extreamly well known Pre-rifts machines. As such they are stigmatized by Colition.

Chrom. Guardsmen is less confusing as opposed to Glitter Boy. I mentioned the name to a person who doesn't play these games, and he thought I was refering to those of alternative lifestyles.

[quote]Res Sin Kai Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 11:40 am Post subject:
Chrom. Guardsmen is less confusing as opposed to Glitter Boy. I mentioned the name to a person who doesn't play these games, and he thought I was refering to those of alternative lifestyles.
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(In response to Res Sin Kai)--no kidding. Try doing a google image search on "Glitter Boy" ... I went looking for a pic of the Mark V from Mutants in Orbit. Guess what "other" pics came up on the search ...

Seriously, Kalinda's idea is great ... it's a good roleplaying concept that rounds out the character, and most of our arguments against it can be put under the category of "rules getting in the way of roleplaying." The idea is a great hook for a snobbish GB pilot ... heck, even if absolutely no one knows what he's talking about, he sounds even more snobbish. I gotta say I also like the idea of calling them "Boomers."

darkbrandon wrote:They do not ignore the Golden age tech, but they will study, change and claim that they (The CS) made it.
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Your own words, they use pre-rifts tech.

You are operating under a miss-conception. I never said that the Coalition admits it's pre-rifts tech. I just said they use it whenever possible.

Toc Rat wrote:Your own words, they use pre-rifts tech.

You are operating under a miss-conception. I never said that the Coalition admits it's pre-rifts tech. I just said they use it whenever possible.

I know your trying to start some kind of debate, but it's not gonna happen.

CS does use pre-rifts tech as long as no one knows it is pre-rifts tech, but doesn't use say GB's because it's Known Pre-rifts tech.

This is what I said, or ment to say. I think only you took it out of context as most know this.

darkbrandon wrote:

Toc Rat wrote:Your own words, they use pre-rifts tech.

You are operating under a miss-conception. I never said that the Coalition admits it's pre-rifts tech. I just said they use it whenever possible.

I know your trying to start some kind of debate, but it's not gonna happen.

CS does use pre-rifts tech as long as no one knows it is pre-rifts tech, but doesn't use say GB's because it's Known Pre-rifts tech.

This is what I said, or ment to say. I think only you took it out of context as most know this.

Debate? This was never a debate. For a debate we would have to be on opposing positions. We both agree that the Coalition uses pre-rifts technology. For this to be a debate one of us would have say that the CS doesn't use pre-rifts tech...ever. I didn't take anything out of context as you imply.

Again, you missunderstood what I said earlyer. It happens, no hard feelings.