Just drew this scout ship.

cornholioprime · Sun Aug 14, 2005 12:55 am

More than a little simplistic; looks like an early Siembieda design for the "Mechanoids" Books.

You'll need to "spruce up," and clean up, the Ship Design at the very least...

The Galactus Kid · Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:05 am

I was about to mention its resemblence to an AWACS. I would say that this ship would be used as a forward scout or something. I like the drawing, just spruce it up and give it more detail. Ink it if possible. I always photocopy the original and ink the copy so I don't lose the original if I screw up.

RainOfSteel · Unread post by **RainOfSteel** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:47 pm

Solothurn wrote:Just drew this. Was wondering if any of you guys think it would be a good pic for a ship in phase world or Rifts.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/6958/image1withshadow1cz.jpg

Well, I think it looks ok, especially for something that got knocked out in only 30 minutes.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:08 pm

I give it

Well done! I like it and would use in any PW game I ran. Got any more?

Carl

grandmaster z0b · Mon Aug 15, 2005 2:49 am

It definately looks like a UAV / drone to me.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Mon Aug 15, 2005 10:24 am

Yes, it does certainly look like a drone of some kind.

If you plan on doing more drawings of this craft, it might not be a bad idea to sit down with a t-square/triangle and draw out a more precise rendering of how it will look from the top, side, and front.

I believe that's called an 'isometric' rendering, but as my engineering graphics class took place before many of you were potty trained my memory could be suspect here... :lol:

But if you're wondering what I'm talking about, take a look at Wayne's illustration of the Naruni Broadsword fighter. The only thing missing there IIRC is a front (and/or rear) view.

This will also help you figure out exact dimensions when you get ready to establish stats for it.

As for the drawing itself... it's pretty good, but I have the following observations/recommendations:

1.) Personally I'd worry less about the surface material/reflection and more about details, especially in the concept sketch phase. There will be plenty of time to focus on that later on when you're putting the finishing touches on a final rendering.

2.) Take a look at the conceptual sketches by Doug Chiang and/or John Eaves to get a good idea of what editors want to see. These two had to work on some of the most well-known material in sci-fi history (Star Wars and Star Trek, respectively), so if their stuff could pass muster with the likes of George Lucas and Rick Berman it'd certainly do the same with others.

3.) It looks like you referenced an AWACS plane for the sensor dome. Good idea. However, don't stop at the dome -- get as many photo references you can for vehicles of that scale and use them as reference A LOT. It'll help you decide what details to emphasize.

4.) Grab a ruler, determine horizon line/vanishing points, and clean up perspective. The ion cannon front end looks to be at a different angle than the wings/sensor dome.

5.) Definitely ink the drawings and be mindful of line thicknesses as they lend visual weight to the drawing (when I ink I usually lay a piece of tracing paper/marker paper over the pencil drawing so I don't screw up the original). Use a ruler/triangle with a raised edge to it so the ink doesn't bleed underneath it -- I've messed up many a piece because of that... :badbad:

Rimmerdal · Unread post by **Rimmerdal** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:14 pm

Nice, Reminicent of a Cardassian warship..(Always liked that design)
:ok:

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Tue Aug 16, 2005 2:25 pm

Solothurn wrote:Straightened, touched up painted, and filleted.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5141/shipshadowedscaledcoloredandfi.jpg

Lookin' better and better each time you post it! :ok:

The Galactus Kid · Wed Aug 17, 2005 4:09 am

wow...more power to you, man.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:03 pm

Sorry to hear that dude. Sounds like this 'Alex' goob wasn't being professional at any point in the process... or at the very least you got some bad information from that 'regular.'

I've been told that a good way to protect yourself is by mailing yourself a copy of your artwork in a sealed envelope along with an affadavit that this is your own original work. As long as the postmark date on the envelope is earlier than the ripoff, you have some leverage.

On a somewhat different subject, you mentioned taking CAD classes. Do you own a copy of the software/have access to it or have another drawing program on your computer?

Qev · Unread post by **Qev** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 12:08 pm

Uncle Servo wrote:Sorry to hear that dude. Sounds like this 'Alex' goob wasn't being professional at any point in the process... or at the very least you got some bad information from that 'regular.'

I've been told that a good way to protect yourself is by mailing yourself a copy of your artwork in a sealed envelope along with an affadavit that this is your own original work. As long as the postmark date on the envelope is earlier than the ripoff, you have some leverage.

Actually, a word of caution. I don't believe that particular action (mailing yourself a post-dated copy) bears any legal weight in civil court in the United States (although IANAL).

Your safest bet is to register a copyrighted work with the United States Copyright Office (http://www.copyright.gov), assuming you are in the United States, of course.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 3:16 pm

Qev wrote:
Uncle Servo wrote:Sorry to hear that dude. Sounds like this 'Alex' goob wasn't being professional at any point in the process... or at the very least you got some bad information from that 'regular.'

I've been told that a good way to protect yourself is by mailing yourself a copy of your artwork in a sealed envelope along with an affadavit that this is your own original work. As long as the postmark date on the envelope is earlier than the ripoff, you have some leverage.

Actually, a word of caution. I don't believe that particular action (mailing yourself a post-dated copy) bears any legal weight in civil court in the United States (although IANAL).

Your safest bet is to register a copyrighted work with the United States Copyright Office (http://www.copyright.gov), assuming you are in the United States, of course.

Hmmm... then it might be good if we could get some of our resident Palladium artists/editors to chime in here.

Even if it doesn't bear much legal weight, it sure couldn't hurt to do it anyway.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Wed Aug 17, 2005 5:34 pm

Solothurn wrote:
Uncle Servo wrote:Sorry to hear that dude. Sounds like this 'Alex' goob wasn't being professional at any point in the process... or at the very least you got some bad information from that 'regular.'

I've been told that a good way to protect yourself is by mailing yourself a copy of your artwork in a sealed envelope along with an affadavit that this is your own original work. As long as the postmark date on the envelope is earlier than the ripoff, you have some leverage.

On a somewhat different subject, you mentioned taking CAD classes. Do you own a copy of the software/have access to it or have another drawing program on your computer?

Well I go blame myself for the misfortune of having the bad karma I did. I acted very protective of my work and wasn't properly protecting my investment with them(time, money, scanner, the art). Im just gonna wash my hands of it and move on or at least try to. Some of the people who contributed to the situation where actually trying to help, but to have another artist take your idea and then have the alternative be used instead is like putting another artist on a pedastal. I guess I wasn't prepared for the type of culture the community over thier operates by and I'll just say I was incompatible. Just wasn't a good fit.

Yeah. I hate to say it, but it can be a pretty ugly cutthroat culture at times.

Solothurn wrote:For the AutoCad question. No. I don't have the software. I only did in class. A student version of the software is like about $300-$400, and the full blown version with liscense would problably be around in the multiple of thousands of dollars. No way could I afford either. Ill just have to stick with my Photo Pos Pro so.......

Just wondering. I've got Adobe Illustrator here at work, and I find myself using it for just about any kind of technical illustration. No, it's not a CAD program, but it works for my purposes (though admittedly they're usually top/side/front views).

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 10:48 am

gadrin wrote:Solo/Servo try this...

MadMan Mike gave me this link.

it's free...BTW...

http://www.swissquake.ch/chumbalum-soft/

Now THAT is interesting... Thanks!

Looks to be a PC-only format, so I'll have to dl it at home.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 11:24 am

Quester wrote:Heres a link to heelp end the debate on copyright in the US http://www.snopes.com/legal/postmark.asp

Thank you for that. :ok:

Something tells me this site could come in handy on a number of topics.

Uncle Servo · Unread post by **Uncle Servo** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 10:12 am

Quester wrote:Glad to help. One way that the site is good for is laughs, did you check out the "Darwin Awards"?

No, but I did notice with just a little bit of disappointment that the 'gerbil incident' with Richard Gere never actually happened. I had such good response with comedy material based off that. :nh:

Ever watch the show "Mythbusters" on the Discovery Channel? They do similar research and prove/disprove urban legends like what you usually find in Darwin Awards. :ok:

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Fri Aug 19, 2005 9:29 pm

Solothurn wrote:Just drew this. Was wondering if any of you guys think it would be a good pic for a ship in phase world or Rifts.

Pic 1

Pic 2

Personally, I like it a lot! :ok:

Funny enough, I actually prefer the pencil version more than the finished one. Has a more grittier feel to it.

Since we're sharing, though I posted this once before (burried deep on pg. 3 of someone else's post, and thus unseen by most here) here's one I came up with that I'm darn proud of. I call it...

The Spider Skull Dragon Wasp

And yes, I have stats for it.

Dead Boy · Unread post by **Dead Boy** » Sat Aug 20, 2005 5:24 am

Solothurn wrote:
Dead Boy wrote:
Solothurn wrote:Just drew this. Was wondering if any of you guys think it would be a good pic for a ship in phase world or Rifts.

Pic 1

Pic 2

Personally, I like it a lot! Funny enough, I actually prefer the pencil version more than the finished one. Has a more grittier feel to it.

Since we're sharing, though I posted this once before (burried deep on pg. 3 of someone else's post, and thus unseen by most here) here's one I came up with that I'm darn proud of. I call it...

The Spider Skull Dragon Wasp

And yes, I have stats for it.

Cool. Is it a troop transport? Its seems to have the length.

Think more along the lines of the Coalition's answer to the NGR Dragonwing.

The Beast · Unread post by **The Beast** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:36 am

I like the version with the color, although it could use a little more detail in it (It's always in the details). Also, now that I've seen the Anit-monster with some color added it looks much better than when I first saw it. I must admit however, it still looks like he's holding a gaint magnet to pull someone's weapons away (hence the Bugs Bunny quote).

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