Israeli's develop the first MDC body armor!?! (New Picture!)

[Nekira Sudacne]

If this pans out, maybe...

for those too lazy to click the link, Isreal has developed a nano material that can withstand the simultanious impact of 4 deisal trains.

New Picture thanks to Glitterboy

[Nekira Sudacne]

Holy hell. The rest of the mideast better watch out.

well, they do say they'll need at least 3 more years of testing and design work before mass-production can really begin.

[finn69]

Holy hell. The rest of the mideast better watch out.

well, they do say they'll need at least 3 more years of testing and design work before mass-production can really begin.

and what better way to test it out than with field try outs?

[Rimmerdal]

I can already see the next tank they design....

[King Chopper]

I want to wrap my truck in it! Lets see some one try and park in my truck bed now!!!

[Rimmerdal]

for those too lazy to click the link, Isreal has developed a nano material that can withstand the simultanious impact of 4 deisal trains.

Yeah, the material survived, but what about the guy wearing it?

does it matter? it will make tank armour and AP bullets to a whole new level. they would be more immediate applications.

Think a sniper with a Nano-metal round...I can see that being a huge impact (no pun intended).

[Nekira Sudacne]

for those too lazy to click the link, Isreal has developed a nano material that can withstand the simultanious impact of 4 deisal trains.

Yeah, the material survived, but what about the guy wearing it?

likely dead. but that's not the point. they're not planning on having soldgiers standing in front of trains.

they're going to make tanks out of it, and hopefylly body armor for those with small arms.

[glitterboy2098]

actually, Exote armor is closer to being mass produced.

japan and america have both produced Fullerene (both powered and unpowered) fabrics with remarkable anti-ballistic qualities, but the cost is far too high for wide spread use.

[RainOfSteel]

for those too lazy to click the link, Isreal has developed a nano material that can withstand the simultanious impact of 4 deisal trains.

Yeah, the material survived, but what about the guy wearing it?

does it matter? it will make tank armour and AP bullets to a whole new level. they would be more immediate applications.

Think a sniper with a Nano-metal round...I can see that being a huge impact (no pun intended).

As sniper rounds, maybe. But big anti-tank AP rounds? No. Fullerenes, being made of carbon, aren't dense enough. Although, they might wind up as coatings over denser metal.

[Jesterzzn]

They never say how thick the test armor was. I mean if was just a few centimeters, thats pretty damn impressive. But if it was like 6 inches, that's not so impressive.

[Jason Richards]

actually, Exote armor is closer to being mass produced.

japan and america have both produced Fullerene (both powered and unpowered) fabrics with remarkable anti-ballistic qualities, but the cost is far too high for wide spread use.

Bean counters didn't think a soldier's life was worth 300 Grand.

[Thinyser]

found this here

In recent research lead by Prof. Yan Qiu Zhu of the School of Mechanical, Materials and Manufacturing Engineering at the University of Nottingham, England, a sample of the ApNano material was subjected to severe shocks generated by a steel projectile traveling at velocities of up to 1.5 km/second. The material withstood the shock pressures generated by the impacts of up to 250 tons per square centimeter.

Now this is pretty damn impressive, but as was mentioned how thick was the target piece?

Hey Dead Boy my brain hurts...you should pick up my slack and figure out how much mass you need to generate 250 ton centimeters with a projectile moving at 1500 meters per second. Comeon I know you want to

[Thinyser]

actually, Exote armor is closer to being mass produced.

japan and america have both produced Fullerene (both powered and unpowered) fabrics with remarkable anti-ballistic qualities, but the cost is far too high for wide spread use.

Bean counters didn't think a soldier's life was worth 300 Grand.

Out of curiousity why do you have Josh telling us to OBEY in you sig bar?

[glitterboy2098]

given that similar nano-tube fabrics developed in american and japanese labs had the ballistic resistance of a modern kevler vest while being only as thick as a human hair, i would imagine the isreali stuff was not much thicker than a T-shirt.


it' basically ultra-thin diamond fabric.

[Thinyser]

given that similar nano-tube fabrics developed in american and japanese labs had the ballistic resistance of a modern kevler vest while being only as thick as a human hair is wide, i would imagine the isreali stuff was no thicker than a T-shirt.


it' basically ultra-thin diamond fabric.

I dont think this is a fabric. If it was that means we would still have to place that over some stiff backing anyhow because othewise the fabric wraped bullet would simply penetrate the body anyhow.

[Jason Richards]

actually, Exote armor is closer to being mass produced.

japan and america have both produced Fullerene (both powered and unpowered) fabrics with remarkable anti-ballistic qualities, but the cost is far too high for wide spread use.

Bean counters didn't think a soldier's life was worth 300 Grand.

Out of curiousity why do you have Josh telling us to OBEY in you sig bar?

I just can't explain it!

[glitterboy2098]

given that similar nano-tube fabrics developed in american and japanese labs had the ballistic resistance of a modern kevler vest while being only as thick as a human hair is wide, i would imagine the isreali stuff was no thicker than a T-shirt.


it' basically ultra-thin diamond fabric.

I dont think this is a fabric. If it was that means we would still have to place that over some stiff backing anyhow because othewise the fabric wraped bullet would simply penetrate the body anyhow.

like normal bullet resistant vests and the steelplates needed to stop bullets?

[Alpha 11]

Cool! I like!

[Blight]

Combine this material with the bear encounter suit It's impact absorbing design with this super material. Hmm that would be real mdc armour.

[Nxla666]

Just one step closer to Apocalypse, YAY.

[Nxla666]

Now all we need is energy weapons (or ramjet bullets) or we're screwed when the demons show up.

Oh well. Dibs on the first Ley-Line!

All yours (too many monsters), I want a nice quite piece of land (complete with underground bunker complex) away from them, a huge stockpile of armor and weapons plus food, water and medicine where me and a few hundred friends can hang out.

[TzI]

Now all we need is energy weapons (or ramjet bullets) or we're screwed when the demons show up.

Oh well. Dibs on the first Ley-Line!

All yours (too many monsters), I want a nice quite piece of land (complete with underground bunker complex) away from them, a huge stockpile of armor and weapons plus food, water and medicine where me and a few hundred friends can hang out.

So, you want Area 51?

[grandmaster z0b]

Combine this material with the bear encounter suit It's impact absorbing design with this super material. Hmm that would be real mdc armour.

If it's the same bear encounter suit that I remember, it was the most impractical piece of protection I've ever seen, way too restrictive to movement. Any soldier can tell you that the best protection in combat is being able to manoeuvre behind cover, duck and run when under fire and most importantly be able to fire at the enemy unimpeded. A soldier cannot operate in a big bulky suit like that, and they would tire far too easily.

This could be the material used in the first powered armour suits though, possibly with a kevlar backing and padded to reduce injury. The only thing that is stopping the anyone from producing them is an efficent and silent energy source.

[Nxla666]

Wuss. Be a man! Meet 'em head on! I'll show those monsters and demons. Give a a machete and a broken beer bottle, I'll turn the ******* into Picadillo!

Whos being a wuss, I am going with survival of the species.

[Jesterzzn]

There is a picture on the companies website that looks like a medieval breastplate. I wonder if this was the test piece.

[Nxla666]

I will survive. I'll just be standing atop a pile of demon corpses!

See, thats the problem with you Cyber-Knights, kill a handful of grunts and you think you can take on the world.

[Dead Boy]

Hey Dead Boy my brain hurts...you should pick up my slack and figure out how much mass you need to generate 250 ton centimeters with a projectile moving at 1500 meters per second. Comeon I know you want to

Must ... Resist ... Urge ... To .... Calculate!

I normally don't deal in tons per cm-squared, and they probably a lot of generous rounding for the article, but I think that would be 5,327.8926 grains or 0.761 pounds or 345.242 grams. But since since the reported numbers can be assumed to be rounded, my guess is they used a third (1/3) of a kg or something like that.

Personally I'm kind of psyched about this new stuff. Given the complaints in the fields of Iraq about the current body armor being inadequate, I have little doubt that the US armed forecs will be making a sizable order from ApNano in the not too distant future.

[Nxla666]

Hey Dead Boy my brain hurts...you should pick up my slack and figure out how much mass you need to generate 250 ton centimeters with a projectile moving at 1500 meters per second. Comeon I know you want to

Must ... Resist ... Urge ... To .... Calculate!

I normally don't deal in tons per cm-squared, and they probably a lot of generous rounding for the article, but I think that would be 5,327.8926 grains or 0.761 pounds or 345.242 grams. But since since the reported numbers can be assumed to be rounded, my guess is they used a third (1/3) of a kg or something like that.

Personally I'm kind of psyched about this new stuff. Given the complaints in the fields of Iraq about the current body armor being inadequate, I have little doubt that the US armed forecs will be making a sizable order from ApNano in the not too distant future.

Dont fight it just go with it, this is incredibly useless info we all must have, so get cracking.

Or else we might have to have Qev do it.

[Rimmerdal]

for those too lazy to click the link, Isreal has developed a nano material that can withstand the simultanious impact of 4 deisal trains.

Yeah, the material survived, but what about the guy wearing it?

does it matter? it will make tank armour and AP bullets to a whole new level. they would be more immediate applications.

Think a sniper with a Nano-metal round...I can see that being a huge impact (no pun intended).

Um, it matters, and is the point, since the title of the thread was about the first MDC body armor. Duh.

It does as Body armor like other technologies eveolves based on wht the enemy has to beat that body armor.

[Thinyser]

given that similar nano-tube fabrics developed in american and japanese labs had the ballistic resistance of a modern kevler vest while being only as thick as a human hair is wide, i would imagine the isreali stuff was no thicker than a T-shirt.


it' basically ultra-thin diamond fabric.

I dont think this is a fabric. If it was that means we would still have to place that over some stiff backing anyhow because othewise the fabric wraped bullet would simply penetrate the body anyhow.

like normal bullet resistant vests and the steelplates needed to stop bullets?

No the steel plates (which are now more commonly ceramic) are infront of the kevlar. The plate fragments the bullet and the kevlar catches the pieces of bulet and plate. Even this though will feel like getting hit the chest with a ball pene hammer as the kevelar distorts and an indentation of up to 30mm or more can result to the object behind the vest.

[SirTenzan]

Just imagine. Israeli armor. Japanese exoskeletons. American gas powered leg extensions. One portable 20 mm cannon; whaddya got? A bonified, glorified, walking, talking, tank capable of chewing apart a building from the INSIDE! The ultimate accessories in urban warfare. Ye godz do I LOVE power armor! I can't wait to see them showing up in the military surplus stores! (Yeah, like THAT'd ever happen with this government!)


Regards,

Edward A. May

aka

[Colt47]

Ok, for all of you who didn't just nearly faint, let me put it this way: if what is written on there is true, and further testing makes that number conclusive, that means that you could take a .50 caliber high velocity round strait in the chest and you would still be standing.

[Blight]

To alot of people a .50 cal is the base of mega-damage. Or smallest weapon that does M.D.. That being said this would be light mega damage armour no dought.

[Nekira Sudacne]

To alot of people a .50 cal is the base of mega-damage. Or smallest weapon that does M.D.. That being said this would be light mega damage armour no dought.

.50 caliber is NOT mega damage.

they officaly only do 7d6 SDC

[Nxla666]

To alot of people a .50 cal is the base of mega-damage. Or smallest weapon that does M.D.. That being said this would be light mega damage armour no dought.

.50 caliber is NOT mega damage.

they officaly only do 7d6 SDC

Not anymore, according to Merc Ops they do 2D6+3 MD for a 10 round burst.

[Nekira Sudacne]

To alot of people a .50 cal is the base of mega-damage. Or smallest weapon that does M.D.. That being said this would be light mega damage armour no dought.

.50 caliber is NOT mega damage.

they officaly only do 7d6 SDC

Not anymore, according to Merc Ops they do 2D6+3 MD for a 10 round burst.

those regular .50 or a special one?

[Nxla666]

To alot of people a .50 cal is the base of mega-damage. Or smallest weapon that does M.D.. That being said this would be light mega damage armour no dought.

.50 caliber is NOT mega damage.

they officaly only do 7d6 SDC

Not anymore, according to Merc Ops they do 2D6+3 MD for a 10 round burst.

those regular .50 or a special one?

Regular ones as I recall, but they did list two types though, have to double check to be sure which is which (one being the standard single barrel and the other being the GECAL 6 barrel).

[glitterboy2098]

looks like i was wrong.

MDC here we come.

[url=http://www.isracast.com/tech_news/091205_tech.htm]NANO-ARMOR:
PROTECTING THE SOLDIERS OF TOMORROW[/url]

An Israeli company has recently tested one of the most shock-resistant materials known to man. Five times stronger than steel and at least twice as strong as any impact-resistant material currently in use as protective gear, the new nano-based material is on its way to becoming the armor of the future.

A year ago IsraCast reported on the development of the first commercial nano-based lubricant which was developed by the Israeli company ApNano materials. A year later we find ApNano working also on a wholly different application of their technology - shielding and protection. In recent research lead by Prof. Yan Qiu Zhu of the School of Mechanical, Materials and Manufacturing Engineering at the University of Nottingham, England, a sample of the ApNano material was subjected to severe shocks generated by a steel projectile traveling at velocities of up to 1.5 km/second. The material withstood the shock pressures generated by the impacts of up to 250 tons per square centimeter. This is approximately equivalent to dropping four diesel locomotives onto an area the size of one’s fingernail. During the test the material proved to be so strong that after the impact the samples remained essentially identical compared to the original material. Additionally, a recent study by Prof. J. M. Martin from Ecole Centrale de Lyon in France tested the new material under isostatic pressure and found it to be stable up to at least 350 tons/cm2.

In order to understand how it is possible to create this ultra-strong shock absorbing material we first need to understand the nature of the nano material developed by ApNano. In the early 1990's the Nano-materials Synthesis Group in the Weizmann institute headed by Professor Reshef Tenne, ApNano Chief Scientific Advisor, and recent winner of the Materials Research Society medal, together with Dr. Menachem Genut, currently the President and CEO of ApNano Materials, Prof. Gary Hodes and Dr. Lev Margulis, discovered a new class of inorganic nanostructures. The group had found that certain inorganic compounds such as WS2, MoS2, TiS2 and NbS2 that normally occur as large flat platelets can be synthesized into much smaller nano-spheres and nano-tubes which they named inorganic fullerene-like nanostructures or IF for short. Fullerenes are a new form of carbon, other forms being diamond, graphite and coal. They are molecules composed entirely of carbon, taking the form of a hollow sphere, ellipsoid, or tube. Spherical fullerenes are sometimes called buckyballs, while cylindrical fullerenes are called buckytubes or nanotubes. Buckyballs are named after R. Buckminster Fuller, architect of the geodesic dome that he designed for the 1967 Montreal World Exhibition. IF materials are Fullerene-like materials but instead of being composed out of carbon they can be created from various other inorganic elements.

The new IF material produced by the Weizmann Group was made of Tungsten Disulfide (WS2). In contrast to organic Fullerenes, IF is easier and much less expensive to produce, it is chemically stable and is less reactive and consequently less flammable. Organic Fullerenes are also considered to be highly toxic while IF materials have been tested extensively and deemed safe. Tungsten Disulfide is relatively heavy and for that reason ApNano is currently experimenting with other materials such as Titanium Disulfide which is at least four times lighter and is expected to perform even better than Tungsten Disulfide against shock waves. One of the most interesting new IF properties discovered by ApNano is its extremely high degree of shock absorbing ability. Shock absorbing materials are commonly used in impact resistant applications such as ballistic protection personal body armor, bullet proof vests, vehicle armor, shields, helmets, and protective enclosures. The new Tungsten based IF material has up to twice the strength of the best impact resistant materials currently used in protective armor applications such as boron carbide and silicon carbide, and are over 5 times stronger than steel. It is also possible to combine IF with other substances in order to expand their range of capabilities. For instance, mixing IF with highly elastic materials can lead to new compounds which are both flexible and shock-absorbing. These properties position IF materials as one of the best candidates for future protective gear and armor.

Currently ApNano can manufacture only a few kilograms of the new material a day at their lab in Nes Ziona. In an interview by IsraCast, Dr. Menachem Genut, ApNano CEO, explained that the company is moving into semi-industrial manufacturing within the next six months producing between 100-200 kilograms of the material per day, gradually moving to full-scale industrial production by 2007, creating several tons each day. Although it is currently still hard to determine the exact price of the "nano-armor" when in full industrial production, given the cost of the original materials (Tungsten Disulfide, Titanium Disulfide, etc.) and the relatively low production costs, Dr. Genut stated that a kilogram of the new material will cost considerably less than a similar amount of the carbon-based Fullerenes. More field testing will need to be carried out before the nano-armor can be declared commercial but the company is optimistic that with some external financial backing it will be possible to have the first product ready in less then three years.

(bolded for emphasis)

so its a metallalic Nano-tube material........wow.

[Nxla666]

Ok lets do math

7d6 SDC= Minimum 7 Maximum 42 sdc
2d6+3 MD= Min 5 Max 15 mdc

7*10= 70 7*6=( 42 (sdc)*10= 420 (4.2 MDC))

So at max for a regular .50 cal 10 round burst its 80 sdc short of what Merc Ops said, but whoever said book writers had to agree with eachother




- But im real psyched about that new armor material. Just think of an armor tougher then that kevlar junk, covers everywhere, and much lighter

The damage listing for Merc Ops comes (at least in part) from the Compendium of Modern Weapons (bit dated though ), the single barrel .50 does 1D6 MD per 10 round burst the 6 barreled GECAL does the 2D6+3 MD for a 10 round burst.

All info can be found on pg. 121 of Merc Ops.

[grandmaster z0b]

There is no picture of the armour, just a picture of some other armor labelled "medieval armor" although it is actually renaissance.

[KLM]

Actually a .50 BMG (not the .50 Action Express) rifle will knock
you down.

Will search a pic for you...

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/m82.htm

http://www.geocities.com/landofsnipers/ ... ardENG.htm

Adios
KLM

EDIT: Links included

[Zer0 Kay]

In RUE a machine gun (caliber not listed, but isn't .50 average?)
does 1d4 MD in a 50 round burst

You know it's funny that in the RMB 1st print, or was it the mother of MDC RT, that stated that a machinegun that uses rounds that do SDC can't do MDC because all the rounds aren't impacting the same spot at the same time. Now they've changed there rules. So as long as a gun can cause 100 SDC in a single attack it can now cause MDC. Alright I'm breaking out that H&K G11. Lets see someone look up the damage for a the G11's round. It cyclic is 2000round/minute divided by 4 so 500 rounds per turn then the average "first" level attacks of 5 (shouldn't that be high and not average?) for 100 rounds per attack. Granted one would have to modify the weapon so that it didn't limit it's fire rate. But you'd have a less than .50 doing MDC. The caliber shouldn't be the guide. You can have a lower caliber made of stronger material going faster than your average .50 cal bullet. You may also end up with the occasional numbskull that thinks because a Desert Eagle is a .50 cal it can do MDC... the charge is less than a MG's as it is a pistol round not a rifle round.

[Zer0 Kay]

As for the armor if they are nano tubes they should be able to weave the stuff allowing the material to be flexible. There was a concept going through DARPA that the carbon tubes would be able to go rigid on impact or if stabbed but otherwise be flexible.

[glitterboy2098]

didn't Mythbusters do a show on the knockdown effects of bullets? (actually about the Cinimatic portrayal of people getting hit and going flying back.)

i think they found most rounds didn't impart enough force to move a human.

though the impact probably would screw up balance and it definately would cause pain, both of which are likely to result in the person falling down.

[Thinyser]

... I state again, we're talking .50 cals, the type that are made to punch through engine blocks. We're talkin' force.

Lots of force. Have you ever seen a high powerd rifle hit a mellon? how bout a .50 bmg hit a human? I have a video of the latter, our boys in afganistan sniping osama's boys with .50 cal.

If you are strong of stomach and want it send me a PM with your email.

[Zer0 Kay]

didn't Mythbusters do a show on the knockdown effects of bullets? (actually about the Cinimatic portrayal of people getting hit and going flying back.)

i think they found most rounds didn't impart enough force to move a human.

though the impact probably would screw up balance and it definately would cause pain, both of which are likely to result in the person falling down.

Even the .50 cal only managed to make the pig come down because it seperated the legs making it fall STRAIGHT down. They also did one that showed that high powered rifle rounds including .50 cal disintigrate in 2-3 feet of water.

[Zer0 Kay]

The target flying back is mostly a myth. Newtons third law applies, the shooter would get thrown back similarly to the target.

The bullet hits with hella force and speed but it's mass isn't enough to shift the target greatly. So mostly the targets just drop where they are or with the movement they where involved in or from a twitch.

I look at it like when I hit a medium game animal, they hardly ever get knocked down, they may fall down but mostly they just slump over d. e. d. dead.

You kilt them ded?

[Zer0 Kay]

We figured out it wasn't carbon.

As to the .50 knockdown thing, bear in mind that a .50 machinegun is anti-vehicular, and according to most descriptions specifically designed to be mounted on vehicles. I suspect it actually does have the force to knock somebody down.
Another consideration is that the person firing the pistol or rifle is braced for impact; most people you're pointing a gun toward are trying for speed or that instable maneuverability which makes aircraft so hard to hit. Or both, which makes them doubly susceptible. For that matter, the person firing the weapon knows precisely where the impact is coming from, whereas the reciever might be hit in the head, foot, toe, hand, or square in the center mass.
There's a lot of circumstances, and an antivehicular round being fired at a person would probably pass right through 'em without this armor. (Or at least Class 3 or 4 body armor.)

You telling me you figured out it wasn't carbon? If so I know I already read that part I was just saying that one of the concepts for Future Warrior is that the Carbon Nano Tubes would be able to go rigid on impact.

[MADMANMIKE]

There is a picture on the companies website that looks like a medieval breastplate. I wonder if this was the test piece.

..No, there is no picture of the armor.

..That breast plate Nek linked to is (as the fine print underneath it says) just an illustration photo of a medieval breastplate, meaning something to give you an idea but not the real thing.

..Oh, and somebody up above here mentioned american made gas powered leg extensions. those were developed in Russia.

-Mike >8]

[grandmaster z0b]

There is a picture on the companies website that looks like a medieval breastplate. I wonder if this was the test piece.

..No, there is no picture of the armor.

..That breast plate Nek linked to is (as the fine print underneath it says) just an illustration photo of a medieval breastplate, meaning something to give you an idea but not the real thing.

..Oh, and somebody up above here mentioned american made gas powered leg extensions. those were developed in Russia.

-Mike >8]

THANK YOU!
I tried to point this out on both this forum and Sound Off and people are still commenting on the actual photo without looking at the caption.

It's not even medieval armour, it's a renaisance piece.

There is no picture of the armour, just a picture of some other armor labelled "medieval armor" although it is actually renaissance.

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