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Saw a thread on the SF board that got me a thinking about how these two games could work together. The more I really ponder, the more excited I get about a jointly evil Machine/Bug versus humans type world. Anyone else have some thoughts on the matter?

And what energy would those bugs feed on in those reserves?

The Deific NMI wrote:And what energy would those bugs feed on in those reserves?

I thought the bugs didn't actually need any outside energy beyond sunlight. They gorge on energy because they're addicted to it. If there was some way to keep them contained within the Preserve, the Machine could keep control of the bugs by taking the role of their "dealers".

I think it'd be cool if the bugs and the machines started fighting amongst themselves. That'd give Humans more of a fighting chance.

Glistam wrote:I think it'd be cool if the bugs and the machines started fighting amongst themselves. That'd give Humans more of a fighting chance.

You want the humans to have a fighting chance? Bah - A battle to the end is the only battle worth fighting!

Have the Machine see the Bugs as another breed of vermin, one that sucks power from it,...
While the Machine might LIKE having some new predators feeding on humanity around, in the end, a burgeoning population of Bugs would just drain resources from NEXUS....Bug efforts to 'farm' humans would disturb NEXUS, because it would mean keeping humans around for longer...more chances for the slippery little apes to get away and start trouble for it....Plus the BUgs are definitely ALIEN, and thus aren't part of the native ecosystems that the Gaia aspect of NEXUS is trying to protect...

Any merging of the two settings would probably result in a constant three-way war, with alliances between any two factions at best temporary and fleeting...and there would be a constant juggling of priorities...Do the BUgs take the time to torment the humans or do they try to take over the Machine(and deal with the humans later), do the Humans help squash the bugs as alien invaders, or let the BUgs and the Machine duke it out? Does the Machine deal with the pests that can travel inside its technological workings first, or let them establish themselves while it deals with its old problem of its former creators?

taalismn wrote:Have the Machine see the Bugs as another breed of vermin, one that sucks power from it,...
While the Machine might LIKE having some new predators feeding on humanity around, in the end, a burgeoning population of Bugs would just drain resources from NEXUS....Bug efforts to 'farm' humans would disturb NEXUS, because it would mean keeping humans around for longer...more chances for the slippery little apes to get away and start trouble for it....Plus the BUgs are definitely ALIEN, and thus aren't part of the native ecosystems that the Gaia aspect of NEXUS is trying to protect...

Any merging of the two settings would probably result in a constant three-way war, with alliances between any two factions at best temporary and fleeting...and there would be a constant juggling of priorities...Do the BUgs take the time to torment the humans or do they try to take over the Machine(and deal with the humans later), do the Humans help squash the bugs as alien invaders, or let the BUgs and the Machine duke it out? Does the Machine deal with the pests that can travel inside its technological workings first, or let them establish themselves while it deals with its old problem of its former creators?

Hrm. Now just throw AtB into this mess and you've got a regular ole party.

taalismn wrote:Have the Machine see the Bugs as another breed of vermin, one that sucks power from it,...
While the Machine might LIKE having some new predators feeding on humanity around, in the end, a burgeoning population of Bugs would just drain resources from NEXUS....Bug efforts to 'farm' humans would disturb NEXUS, because it would mean keeping humans around for longer...more chances for the slippery little apes to get away and start trouble for it....Plus the BUgs are definitely ALIEN, and thus aren't part of the native ecosystems that the Gaia aspect of NEXUS is trying to protect...

Any merging of the two settings would probably result in a constant three-way war, with alliances between any two factions at best temporary and fleeting...and there would be a constant juggling of priorities...Do the BUgs take the time to torment the humans or do they try to take over the Machine(and deal with the humans later), do the Humans help squash the bugs as alien invaders, or let the BUgs and the Machine duke it out? Does the Machine deal with the pests that can travel inside its technological workings first, or let them establish themselves while it deals with its old problem of its former creators?

actually since both books are dead end settngs.. it would be neat if palladium did release such a book...

Gomen_Nagai wrote:
actually since both books are dead end settngs.. it would be neat if palladium did release such a book...

Toss in another near-dead book, Nightspawn, and you can have the Nightlords offering sanctuary to the Resistance, only to eat'em in the Nightlands....Will the Machine regard the Nightspawn as human? Or significant mockeries of humanity that they go unnoticed?
If you can figure out a way to blend THAT in, then you likely end up with a world so bad that the refugees will see Rifts Earth as a PARADISE...

Nightbane is not dead end, it actually had a new book come out, and more will come out after Tome grotesque and the other BTS 2 books come out.

Calling Nightbane a dead-end book is asking for retaliation! !!

I thought a book wans't dead unless people stopped playing/reading it. Star Wars d6 hasn't been updated in a decade or longer, and people still play it as much if not more than many "alive" games.

Jesterzzn wrote:I thought a book wans't dead unless people stopped playing/reading it. Star Wars d6 hasn't been updated in a decade or longer, and people still play it as much if not more than many "alive" games.

I just wish I could find people out here who still wanted to play that.



Daniel Stoker

Daniel Stoker wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:I thought a book wans't dead unless people stopped playing/reading it. Star Wars d6 hasn't been updated in a decade or longer, and people still play it as much if not more than many "alive" games.

I just wish I could find people out here who still wanted to play that.



Daniel Stoker

There is a store here in town that has no fewer than three seperate games going on every friday night. I haven't been in a couple months, but a friend of mine does, and he says as the younger kids get into it its still growing.

Jesterzzn wrote:

Daniel Stoker wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:I thought a book wans't dead unless people stopped playing/reading it. Star Wars d6 hasn't been updated in a decade or longer, and people still play it as much if not more than many "alive" games.

I just wish I could find people out here who still wanted to play that.



Daniel Stoker

There is a store here in town that has no fewer than three seperate games going on every friday night. I haven't been in a couple months, but a friend of mine does, and he says as the younger kids get into it its still growing.

a store where young kids are playing West End Star Wars?

Marrowlight wrote:a store where young kids are playing West End Star Wars?

Yep, imagine a world where children are not mindless pawns in George's game of merchandising. Where twelve and thirteen year olds can write and act better romance dialoge in a freaking RPG than Lucas can get out of Golden Globe winners. Yes, let you mind wander to a dimension where kids would rather play a decent game, than argue over who gets to be another Jango/Boba Fett clone. Perhaps you think it to be a dream? BUT IT LIVES!

Seriously, I did once witness a kid completely wig-out when another kid was argueing that Han Solo was cooler than Ani. Thought we were gonna have to seperate them (after we let the Han fan get in a couple freebies ).

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:a store where young kids are playing West End Star Wars?

Yep, imagine a world where children are not mindless pawns in George's game of merchandising. Where twelve and thirteen year olds can write and act better romance dialoge in a freaking RPG than Lucas can get out of Golden Globe winners. Yes, let you mind wander to a dimension where kids would rather play a decent game, than argue over who gets to be another Jango/Boba Fett clone. Perhaps you think it to be a dream? BUT IT LIVES!

Seriously, I did once witness a kid completely wig-out when another kid was argueing that Han Solo was cooler than Ani. Thought we were gonna have to seperate them (after we let the Han fan get in a couple freebies ).

Preposterous!
Kids playing West End Games? and Liking it! that was So LAST CENTURY!

Gomen_Nagai wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:a store where young kids are playing West End Star Wars?

Yep, imagine a world where children are not mindless pawns in George's game of merchandising. Where twelve and thirteen year olds can write and act better romance dialoge in a freaking RPG than Lucas can get out of Golden Globe winners. Yes, let you mind wander to a dimension where kids would rather play a decent game, than argue over who gets to be another Jango/Boba Fett clone. Perhaps you think it to be a dream? BUT IT LIVES!

Seriously, I did once witness a kid completely wig-out when another kid was argueing that Han Solo was cooler than Ani. Thought we were gonna have to seperate them (after we let the Han fan get in a couple freebies ).

Preposterous!
Kids playing West End Games? and Liking it! that was So LAST CENTURY!

And by Last Century Gomen really means the 19th century.

Seriously, that's awesome. Weird, but awesome.

Gomen_Nagai wrote:Preposterous!
Kids playing West End Games? and Liking it! that was So LAST CENTURY!

Hah! Kids playing West End Star wars is preposterous? That's nothing. There is a fourteen year old on my block that bought all my old Shatterzone books so he and his friends could play.

But wait! There's more!

I run a game of paranioa about once a month, and two of my players are not even in High School yet. Wazow!

Jesterzzn wrote:

Gomen_Nagai wrote:Preposterous!
Kids playing West End Games? and Liking it! that was So LAST CENTURY!

Hah! Kids playing West End Star wars is preposterous? That's nothing. There is a fourteen year old on my block that bought all my old Shatterzone books so he and his friends could play.

But wait! There's more!

I run a game of paranioa about once a month, and two of my players are not even in High School yet. Wazow!

You leave your doors unlocked at night and everyone around you is in black & white aren't they. Admit it - you're posting from Pleasantville!

speaking of pleasantville and Lake Placid .. both are neighboring towns in NY state.. which we got lost in...


And we were not chased out by a Giant Man eating aligator .....


we did however stop by the pleasantville HS ... where we were attacked by Zombie Ghouls!

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Jesterzzn wrote:

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Pfftt, Diceless Rules is the only way to properly play Star Wars.

Amber + Star Wars = goooooood.

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Pfftt, Diceless Rules is the only way to properly play Star Wars.

Only if you are a godless heathen.

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Pfftt, Diceless Rules is the only way to properly play Star Wars.

Only if you are a godless heathen.

We just have different gods.

Mine understand the true power of absolute point based versus random chance. It is a strong dark side, you should join us Jester. Random logic is a foolish notion against True Power.

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Pfftt, Diceless Rules is the only way to properly play Star Wars.

Only if you are a godless heathen.

We just have different gods.

Mine understand the true power of absolute point based versus random chance. It is a strong dark side, you should join us Jester. Random logic is a foolish notion against True Power.

I'm not going to be able to look at myself in the mirror again after this, but...

I'LL NEVER JOIN YOU!!! AHHHHHHHHH!

I think I feel sick.

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:

Jesterzzn wrote:

punkrawkdrums wrote:i just picked up the second edition rule book!

Good! Now get some people and play Star Wars as GOD intended!

Pfftt, Diceless Rules is the only way to properly play Star Wars.

Only if you are a godless heathen.

We just have different gods.

Mine understand the true power of absolute point based versus random chance. It is a strong dark side, you should join us Jester. Random logic is a foolish notion against True Power.

I'm not going to be able to look at myself in the mirror again after this, but...

I'LL NEVER JOIN YOU!!! AHHHHHHHHH!

I think I feel sick.

Fine, turn your back on me and your rightful place of power....there is another.