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'cause Chaos Earth and Phase World are different settings entirely?

As for why PW is part of the Dimension Book line and not its own line, I'd imagine a large part of that is because it has had so many different writers and at different period of times. If UWW comes out that will be what, the fourth writer in what is essentially five Phase World Specific books? (Six once Carl's new one comes out)

darkmax wrote:

Marrowlight wrote:'cause Chaos Earth and Phase World are different settings entirely?

As for why PW is part of the Dimension Book line and not its own line, I'd imagine a large part of that is because it has had so many different writers and at different period of times. If UWW comes out that will be what, the fourth writer in what is essentially five Phase World Specific books? (Six once Carl's new one comes out)

I know what you mean, but It seems to warrant an individual setting on its own. After all, there are very few similarities now between the two, except for ley lines, nexus and the Splurgorths......

If you ever get a chance to read the intro to Wormwood, it gives a pretty fair concept as to what the Dimension Books are supposed to be. Phase World, even with all the books it has and the connection through the Mercenaries Book, still fits in the Dimenion Book line pretty well.

I agree too that it should be its own "line" like chaos earth or BTS2. But lets face it. It is a dimension book, that just happen to launch on its own.

Carl

Carl Gleba wrote:I agree too that it should be its own "line" like chaos earth or BTS2. But lets face it. It is a dimension book, that just happen to launch on its own.

Carl

Hush you

Because when Wormwood and Phase World were first released, they were tied into the Rifts line to help ensure sales. Fans would be more likely to buy a new "RIfts" product, rather than take a gamble on an entirely new game line, which may or may not suck.

In some cases, I think this might have been a bad idea. Wormwood is so screwed up by its rifts connection that it really needs to be released in a version 2.0 that is all SDC. And with the expanding successes of Phase World, the "Mechanoids Space" Universe seems redundant... we already have one space opera setting, why come up with another?

why should it be broken off into it's own line?

it'd make absolutly no difference.

Braden, GMPhD wrote:Because when Wormwood and Phase World were first released, they were tied into the Rifts line to help ensure sales. Fans would be more likely to buy a new "RIfts" product, rather than take a gamble on an entirely new game line, which may or may not suck.

In some cases, I think this might have been a bad idea. Wormwood is so screwed up by its rifts connection that it really needs to be released in a version 2.0 that is all SDC. And with the expanding successes of Phase World, the "Mechanoids Space" Universe seems redundant... we already have one space opera setting, why come up with another?

Wasn't Mechanoids Space more of a survive if you dare sci fi game, while Phase World was more straight up Space Opera?

Nekira Sudacne wrote:why should it be broken off into it's own line?

it'd make absolutly no difference.

Biggest difference I could see would be the ability to get away from MDC - which would definitely be a benefit for Wormwood, as Braden said.

In an SDC setting, the Unholy inflicts 2D6x10+45 points of damage when he hits you with his corrupted sceptre...

And a Rumbler can have several thousand SDC/HP, making it the equivilent of a Middle Earth Troll...



Now THAT's a fantasy game!

Braden, GMPhD wrote:In an SDC setting, the Unholy inflicts 2D6x10+45 points of damage when he hits you with his corrupted sceptre...

And a Rumbler can have several thousand SDC/HP, making it the equivilent of a Middle Earth Troll...



Now THAT's a fantasy game!

Hey question - how much of your Rifter submission deals with what's going on on the surface of Wormwood? I was doing some re-reading and I was pretty unhappy with how a lot of the setting was portrayed. Or at least the political structure of it.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:why should it be broken off into it's own line?

it'd make absolutly no difference.

If you count the "true" number of dimension books there are three. Worm Wood, Phase World, and Skyrapers. Of the five remaining four support phase world and well Megaverse Builder is in a clase by itself.

IMO with that much support it warrents its own line.

Carl

Carl Gleba wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:why should it be broken off into it's own line?

it'd make absolutly no difference.

If you count the "true" number of dimension books there are three. Worm Wood, Phase World, and Skyrapers. Of the five remaining four support phase world and well Megaverse Builder is in a clase by itself.

IMO with that much support it warrents its own line.

Carl

But how much more support can it really look forward to? Palladium has enough lines with no real prospects for more books. If someone said "yeah I'll be making at least five more wormwood or phase world or skrayper books in the next six years" I could see it being worth a revision and re-release as its own line. But if we'd split it off into its own line and then it gets one, maybe two more books in the next decade it just doesn't seem worth the re-release/split.

I will be pitching a Wormwood update... a big one in terms of page count... but that would be the end of the line (so to speak). I would like to envision a Wormwood Book that has everythng you would ever need in it, and is as thick as Palladium Fantsasy's Main Book (never happen I know, but that is the dream).

At the Open House, I'll be sure to get Kevin S's ear.

Braden, GMPhD wrote:I will be pitching a Wormwood update... a big one in terms of page count... but that would be the end of the line (so to speak). I would like to envision a Wormwood Book that has everythng you would ever need in it, and is as thick as Palladium Fantsasy's Main Book (never happen I know, but that is the dream).

At the Open House, I'll be sure to get Kevin S's ear.

Hm, mind if I ask some questions in open or should I save them for a PM?

Go ahead. No one but us here right now, it seems....

Mostly I'm curious on how you plan to tackle the motivation for the Unholy (which comes off as seriously WEAK in the original book) and the set up of the Forces of Light, especially the Knights of the Temple and the Church (which were both really....too stereotypical and bland.....in my eyes) along with the development of some of the other Knightly Orders.

Going to move this to a new thread...

Braden, GMPhD wrote:Going to move this to a new thread...

KK, prolly for the best.

Carl Gleba wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:why should it be broken off into it's own line?

it'd make absolutly no difference.

If you count the "true" number of dimension books there are three. Worm Wood, Phase World, and Skyrapers. Of the five remaining four support phase world and well Megaverse Builder is in a clase by itself.

IMO with that much support it warrents its own line.

Carl

how so? even if you take Rifts out of the title, it's still the EXSACT same game.

Well I suppose its all how we view it eh? It seems from Nekira's and darkmax's point of view its just Rifts with a twist. Its Rifts in space. Ok, sure, but thats not the way I see it. Phase World is a space opera setting that could have games just in it alone. While I see Rifts as the ultimate starting point for any adventure. Your game can be just based on Rifts Earth where there is so much stuff out for it that it could keep you occupied for years, or you have the option of going to multiple dimensions that run the gambit. I see all of Palladium's lines as "potential" dimension books when I play. So if I wanted to I could send my Rifts group to HU to fight along supers in one game, and then end up in Palladium Fantasy trying to stave off the old ones. Done both by the way.

So I guess it all depends on a certain point of view.

Carl

Carl Gleba wrote:Well I suppose its all how we view it eh? It seems from Nekira's and darkmax's point of view its just Rifts with a twist. Its Rifts in space. Ok, sure, but thats not the way I see it. Phase World is a space opera setting that could have games just in it alone. While I see Rifts as the ultimate starting point for any adventure. Your game can be just based on Rifts Earth where there is so much stuff out for it that it could keep you occupied for years, or you have the option of going to multiple dimensions that run the gambit. I see all of Palladium's lines as "potential" dimension books when I play. So if I wanted to I could send my Rifts group to HU to fight along supers in one game, and then end up in Palladium Fantasy trying to stave off the old ones. Done both by the way.

So I guess it all depends on a certain point of view.

Carl

Hrm, with that said I fail to see why you'd want it as its own line since you treat other lines as dimension books anyway.

Carl Gleba wrote:Well I suppose its all how we view it eh? It seems from Nekira's and darkmax's point of view its just Rifts with a twist. Its Rifts in space. Ok, sure, but thats not the way I see it. Phase World is a space opera setting that could have games just in it alone. While I see Rifts as the ultimate starting point for any adventure. Your game can be just based on Rifts Earth where there is so much stuff out for it that it could keep you occupied for years, or you have the option of going to multiple dimensions that run the gambit. I see all of Palladium's lines as "potential" dimension books when I play. So if I wanted to I could send my Rifts group to HU to fight along supers in one game, and then end up in Palladium Fantasy trying to stave off the old ones. Done both by the way.

So I guess it all depends on a certain point of view.

Carl

You misunderstand my point of view.

it seems to me, what you want to do is, basically, take Rifts out of the title and have it called "Phase World"

then you want to put basic character creation rules in the front of the book with skills.

then...what? seems to me that's all you say you want to do, in which case I see no point.

Just a wild idea(?), that one guy GMing hinted, that
the Demon Stars are the creation of the Unholy...

Adios
KLM

Just a quick aside. The point of this thread is getting muddled and people are starting to contradict themselves, or completely igone points (valid ones too, both pro & con) and just keep contradicting the other person for the sake of being contrary.
Sorry...not flaming anyone here, just my head hurts trying to make heads or tails of any of the debates/arguments in this thread.

KLM wrote:Just a wild idea(?), that one guy GMing hinted, that
the Demon Stars are the creation of the Unholy...

Adios
KLM

Interesting...never saw that one coming!

Carl

DhAkael wrote:Just a quick aside. The point of this thread is getting muddled and people are starting to contradict themselves, or completely igone points (valid ones too, both pro & con) and just keep contradicting the other person for the sake of being contrary.
Sorry...not flaming anyone here, just my head hurts trying to make heads or tails of any of the debates/arguments in this thread.

Isn't that pretty much how the boards operate around here though?

Marrowlight wrote:

DhAkael wrote:Just a quick aside. The point of this thread is getting muddled and people are starting to contradict themselves, or completely igone points (valid ones too, both pro & con) and just keep contradicting the other person for the sake of being contrary.
Sorry...not flaming anyone here, just my head hurts trying to make heads or tails of any of the debates/arguments in this thread.

Isn't that pretty much how the boards operate around here though?

Not always... there are times when people actulay can 'consensus' on thread-topics, or have intelligent debates & discourse. Unfortunately there are a number of individuals that have oozed up from the cracks recently that don't bloody well bother to read what they're responding to. They just shoot off their mouths and be contentious becuase they know they won't have reprisals (like having their teeth kicked in; some of the reply-posts in here would end in brawls if they were discussions in bars, or heck, coffee houses).
Sad really, because I do enjoy reading, replying and posting to these forums, and there are (mostly) decently intelligent people on the PCF's

Not naming names for either type. That would be telling

Sorry... off-topic rant ended

darkmax wrote:You mean people like me? Hmm... I seem to recall I started this thread.....

nah... you started the thread, but at least you've been civil (well, as civil as anyone else in here can be).

darkmax wrote:You mean people like me? Hmm... I seem to recall I started this thread.....

Since I'm the only new poster in this thread it seems pretty obvious who he meant. But no big, we're all entitled to our opinions.

darkmax wrote:

DhAkael wrote:

darkmax wrote:You mean people like me? Hmm... I seem to recall I started this thread.....

nah... you started the thread, but at least you've been civil (well, as civil as anyone else in here can be).

Thanks..... ** blush***

don't be too thankful. saying your civil for this forum is like thanking a bull for only ruining one shelf of antique china

darkmax wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:don't be too thankful. saying your civil for this forum is like thanking a bull for only ruining one shelf of antique china

I'm not one for being uncivil, but it can always change. There are times when everyone, including you, post in anger or ignorance.

Preaching to the choir here
There are times when I make Dennis Leary seem like a model of restraint
Though I do try and keep my rants down to one every other week.