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Ok, Which would you get done. Full Brain Transplant Bionic Borg body, or Re-engineered into a Splicer Biotic.

#1 This Biotic coversion does Not reduce your mental abilities. OK. Lets say if you volenteer, they will not reduce your IQ, etc...and you have no chance for Insanities per level.

#2 Full Brain Transplant Conversion Borg. Your a brain, no other flesh besides the brain. Think Big War machine.

#3 BOTH are designed for WAR.

#4 Borgs will live in a High-Tech complex.

#5 Biotics will live in a Bio-complex. A Living Building.

#6 NO Nano-plague, ok. Does not exist.

#7 NO War against the Machine.

#8 The End has coming to Earth. Yepp its OCT. 2098, YOU are still alive and Well. Yea for modern meds and gene-tech. In 2 months time it will happen.

#9 Bionic or Biotic...Both will be inhuman looking, for now at least....

How much Bio-E is available?

Edit: Regardless...Biotic all the way!

I would definitely choose to be a biotic.

Ectoplasmic Bidet wrote:How much Bio-E is available?

Edit: Regardless...Biotic all the way!

max biotic bio-e of course.

Biotic for the win. Having the chance to be a living weapon is just too good to pass up, though given the choice, I'd freely take the Splicers Scarecrow option.

One of the major selling points for me is that a Biotic isn't going to need spare parts. A cyborg is going to be hurting for repairs, replacements, and eventually even a power plant if they survive long enough.

I don't know much about splicers But i can design a borg body that could take on just about anything. Put an extra power source in the chest compartment, robot repair system in the thigh compartments. Max stats (+10% for a psi-tech doing the work)and legs o leaping. With the new Armour designs the CS uses i can lighten my weight while still having max Armour. Design a modular weapon system, linked to the extra power source. Multi-optic eyes, combat comp full sensor package. Now I'm faster than a speeding juicer. stronger than steel, able to leap moderately tall building in a single bound. I would see all, and have the Armour to withstand almost any assault (that i didn't auto-dodge out of the way of) and the weapons to deal with any opponent i face. Oh, and i can heal my own damage. Yep that will do.

Can a borg start at level 1 with a +20 autododge? A biotic can.

Mindcrime wrote:Can a borg start at level 1 with a +20 autododge? A biotic can.

Biotics win for me cause :
Regeneration. Can be upgraded to Super-regeneration to regrow limbs.
Borgs with the nano-repair units can only heal so much damage then still need to get fixed and recharge or replace their repair bots.

Can a Borg be outfitted with 16 Lasers ??
A Biotic can fire all these in a single volly. 1d10 per Super Light Cell. 16d10 !!!!!!!

Plus side, as a Biotic i can look like like one of these

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TechnoGothic wrote:

Mindcrime wrote:Can a borg start at level 1 with a +20 autododge? A biotic can.

Biotics win for me cause :
Regeneration. Can be upgraded to Super-regeneration to regrow limbs.
Borgs with the nano-repair units can only heal so much damage then still need to get fixed and recharge or replace their repair bots.

Can a Borg be outfitted with 16 Lasers ??
A Biotic can fire all these in a single volly. 1d10 per Super Light Cell. 16d10 !!!!!!!

Plus side, as a Biotic i can look like like Guyot

Biotics can be made into melee beasts too! Get two fully upgraded forearm blades, the fencing skill, and wp paired weapons and you can do 22d6 damage per attack.

Mindcrime wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

Mindcrime wrote:Can a borg start at level 1 with a +20 autododge? A biotic can.

Biotics win for me cause :
Regeneration. Can be upgraded to Super-regeneration to regrow limbs.
Borgs with the nano-repair units can only heal so much damage then still need to get fixed and recharge or replace their repair bots.

Can a Borg be outfitted with 16 Lasers ??
A Biotic can fire all these in a single volly. 1d10 per Super Light Cell. 16d10 !!!!!!!

Plus side, as a Biotic i can look like like Guyot

Biotics can be made into melee beasts too! Get two fully upgraded forearm blades, the fencing skill, and wp paired weapons and you can do 22d6 damage per attack.

Ohh i know i worked up a Guyver3 Gigantic as a biotic. I left off the energy weapons for later. Those blades were awesome in combat.

I don't have Splicers but from the sounds of it I would go Biotic, I'd always rather be organic than inorganic.

I'd definatly go for Biotic, especially if I got to choose how I looked inhuman.


Daniel Stoker

Biotic, mostly because I'm rather attached to some of my organs (and might have a few extra).

Lord_Coake wrote:Bionic for me, secifically the Cyber-Humanoid route, with cranked PS, PP, and Spd.

Let Ghost in the Shell begin.

Inhuman remember
Shocktrooper style. Big Nasty War Machine.

Cyber-humanoid may come many many years later after the bad stuff is taken care of. Of course you'd been a War Machine for close to 200 years by then...

From a personal prespective, i would generally perfer genetic engineering anyday of the week to cybernetic & bionic enhancements/replacements.

So full biotic rengeering.

If I were going to go with one or the other, I'd prefer to go with hard cold steel. It just seems more practical. Get an arm blown off, get a new one before the end of business that day. Something better comes on the maket and it can be yours withe simple upgrade. Get completely shot full of holes and your brain casing will still keep you alive for 96 hours, allowing for the possability of rescue and a new body in which you can exact your revenge in. And in 200+ years, (should you live that long), you can retire in a nice Cyber-Humanoid or Bio-Syntehtic body of your chosing. Bionics just seems to work better.

Blight wrote:...and have the Armour to withstand almost any assault (that i didn't auto-dodge out of the way of) and the weapons to deal with any opponent i face.

Did I miss something in the books? How would you give a 'Borg an Auto-Dodge? I can think of only one way to pull off that trick, that being starting the character off with an OCC that permits HtH Commando and then have him converted to a Borg sometime after 5th level. But barring that...

Dead Boy wrote:If I were going to go with one or the other, I'd prefer to go with hard cold steel. It just seems more practical. Get an arm blown off, get a new one before the end of business that day. Something better comes on the maket and it can be yours withe simple upgrade. Get completely shot full of holes and your brain casing will still keep you alive for 96 hours, allowing for the possability of rescue and a new body in which you can exact your revenge in. Bionics just seems to work better.

A Biotic can with the right feature, regrow their brain if destroyed. Regrow the head too if need be. With the Lazarous Glands, they can regrow their entire body after "death" using its own dead flesh as fuel.

Only one big benifit to Borgs. Very Long Lifespan 200+years as a Cyborg.
Biotics who knows. With their innate (standard biotic regeneration) and the replacement organs features, who knows how they age. They might have extended lifespans as a custom feature. Or methods to expend human lifespans might still work on them, who knows.

Out in the field, the Super-regeneration feature would allow a biotic to regrow entire limbs in 6d6+40 hours. While a Borg might have to wait until he gets back to base or wait for a replacement limb to be shiped to the field. The less field support needed the better.

Myself i LOVE BORGS. I only have 3 or 4 characters who was not a FC-Borg. After playing a Biotic though, Its like playing a more kick arse organic Borg to me.

Dead Boy wrote:

Blight wrote:...and have the Armour to withstand almost any assault (that i didn't auto-dodge out of the way of) and the weapons to deal with any opponent i face.

Did I miss something in the books? How would you give a 'Borg an Auto-Dodge? I can think of only one way to pull off that trick, that being starting the character off with an OCC that permits HtH Commando and then have him converted to a Borg sometime after 5th level. But barring that...

Biotics can buy features which gives them Auto-dodge. A few give insane bonuses to auto-dodge.
Borgs...nope just HtH Commando for them. Since Bionic Hearing no longer gives auto-dodge anymore.

Blight might be using the Third Eye feature, Wide Angle Vision, motion sensors, etc...Last i checked they didnt give auto-dodge, but you cannot be surprised from behind/sides...

Biotics can buy near perfect invisibility and still attack while invisible without becoming visiable.

Tinker Dragoon wrote:Biotic, mostly because I'm rather attached to some of my organs (and might have a few extra).

eww Biotic porn nightmares

TechnoGothic wrote:

Tinker Dragoon wrote:Biotic, mostly because I'm rather attached to some of my organs (and might have a few extra).

eww Biotic porn nightmares

Hmm, this reminds me of some hentai that I have... er... heard about.

Your right there is no cybernetics that give auto-dodge sorry I was using my CS commando that went borg after being awarded the cybernetic heart for the 3rd time as an example. And there is another advantage the ease of getting cybernetics. After getting my leg blown off (and a year later my hand and 6 month after that my other arm... ) sorry i digress. I had my new leg in under 48 hr i was back in the Field in under 2 weeks.

Lord_Coake wrote:Still borg.

You can keep you little standard-chassis FCB's though. I want a skyscraper-sized tank-tredded engine of death and mayhem. No need for autododge when I have armor that can laugh off nuclear strikes.

And a loudspeaker...a big one. That way I can make godzilla noises as I blow **** up and knock down buildings.

Mechagodzilla !!!!

Blight wrote:Your right there is no cybernetics that give auto-dodge sorry I was using my CS commando that went borg after being awarded the cybernetic heart for the 3rd time as an example. And there is another advantage the ease of getting cybernetics. After getting my leg blown off (and a year later my hand and 6 month after that my other arm... ) sorry i digress. I had my new leg in under 48 hr i was back in the Field in under 2 weeks.

Thought the readjust time for cybernetic/bionic limbs was like 2 months or so. Kinda like how a Juicer has to adjust to his new abilities for a month or two until fully empowered.

2 Weeks is a sort time to adjust though. The pain would be bad sor at least 4 weeks. Pain Pills Vicadine(sp?) land time

In game gaining of bionics is rough.

My GM thought that was silly, the 2 month adjusting time that is. He gave me a week of manual training, sort of like physical therapy, and one week of practical use training. Then it was back to the Field (there was a war on). Now he did say my recovery time went so well because i was in a CS facility. That things didn't go so smoothly in a chop shop.

Blight wrote:My GM thought that was silly, the 2 month adjusting time that is. He gave me a week of manual training, sort of like physical therapy, and one week of practical use training. Then it was back to the Field (there was a war on). Now he did say my recovery time went so well because i was in a CS facility. That things didn't go so smoothly in a chop shop.

Ahh that explains it. State of the Art Hospitals/clinics does shorten the time of recovery. But i think 3 weeks is for full adjustment then. No pain, full motor control, etc...

But your GM, sped it up for the game's purpose too, so thats cool
Story comes first of course.

I'm thinking about introducing Splicer Tech to the CS in my game
Just the Host Armors for now though.
Ohh, how i'm introducing them is the secret...

Lord_Coake wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

Blight wrote:My GM thought that was silly, the 2 month adjusting time that is. He gave me a week of manual training, sort of like physical therapy, and one week of practical use training. Then it was back to the Field (there was a war on). Now he did say my recovery time went so well because i was in a CS facility. That things didn't go so smoothly in a chop shop.

Ahh that explains it. State of the Art Hospitals/clinics does shorten the time of recovery. But i think 3 weeks is for full adjustment then. No pain, full motor control, etc...

But your GM, sped it up for the game's purpose too, so thats cool
Story comes first of course.

I'm thinking about introducing Splicer Tech to the CS in my game
Just the Host Armors for now though.
Ohh, how i'm introducing them is the secret...

Gods sake, WHY the CS? They've already GOT everything else oustide of magic...oh wai, Vanguard. Nevermind.

I said i'm introducing it to the CS, not for the CS.
Splicers as a Rival Human Society.
Anti-tech, Anti-magic, Pro-genetics...
The CS are Splicer food

Lord_Coake wrote:The Dead Boys are going to run away screaming. Especially when they see the GBK get nuked by a Roughnek HA with a pair of built-in Bio-Energy vents.

Thats kinda the point.

Just imagine the faces on the Samas pilots too

Hellraiser or a GBKs vs Dracos later on sometime

I did a few sims myself already. Doesnt look good for the CS. Heck i even did a sim of Splicers vs Warlords of Russia. Warlords lost pretty hard, but did much better than the CS sims did.
Interesting, Free Quebec held their own very well to a stalemate in the first 6 encounters we ran. When i used HAs with invisibility features, FQ lost...

I go for Biotic everytime over 'Borg but would actually prefer to be a Skinjob, if they could make the process pain-free!

sHaka wrote:I go for Biotic everytime over 'Borg but would actually prefer to be a Skinjob, if they could make the process pain-free!

No it wouldn't be painfree, but sure. I just see skin jobs as a lesser biotic anyways, or a Partial Conversion Biotic

Lord_Coake wrote:Boomguns tend to skew fights like that.

Super-light Cells worked great against them though. Its the range on the boomguns which helped the most for FQ in my sims.

Omega Blasters i thought was "cool" before, after that sim, they are awesome. The Few i gave Omega-blasters were a force to be reckoned with. Which the FQ-GBs quickly saw as a huge threat. When 5+ GBs fires on a single target at once, uggg nasty.
The Splicer tunneling ability was useful too.

Archangels vs Sidekicks was fun to see

The FQ-Silverwolf GB impressed us all. Sure not much firepower as it should have, but its quick and can keep moving. Roughnecks ate them up in the end

Our CS vs Splicer sims lasted in Game time about 3 minutes. All CS was lost every time. Even the few who tried to fly away.
The FQ vs Splicers sims lasted in Game time about An Hour or more. Usually with it ending up a stalemate. FQ help their ground, the splicers retreating when too many had fallen in battle due to those boomguns.

Gotta repect the Glitterboys.

TechnoGothic wrote: Our CS vs Splicer sims lasted in Game time about 3 minutes. All CS was lost every time. Even the few who tried to fly away.

I'm assuming you didn't have the CS call in heavy long range saturation missile strikes from Mark IX or bombing runs from fast CS Air crafts like the Nightwing and Talon. Also as of world book 11 they control Iron Heart Armaments. That means they have The iron Bolt, the Air Castle Bomber, and Grey Falcons. Massive destruction in moments from far away.

Blight wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote: Our CS vs Splicer sims lasted in Game time about 3 minutes. All CS was lost every time. Even the few who tried to fly away.

I'm assuming you didn't have the CS call in heavy long range saturation missile strikes from Mark IX or bombing runs from fast CS Air crafts like the Nightwing and Talon. Also as of world book 11 they control Iron Heart Armaments. That means they have The iron Bolt, the Air Castle Bomber, and Grey Falcons. Massive destruction in moments from far away.

We used Field Units. Patrol Teams. CS had 25 or 30 pluse 4 or 5 Robot Vehicles. The Splicers had a small team of 10 plus 5 War Mounts.

Just too many of the Splicer Armors had 800-ish mdc and a few good weapons.
When the players used anti-robot weapons on the CS it was over. Punch hole, tentacles chew up the pilots...nasty.

The FQ battle still had FQ with more members on the battle field. But the gbs are tough. V-samas is nasty against Archangels too.

In my games any battle that big the CS would send in massive air strike. See thats the CS's true power. The ability to send support in minutes anywhere in CS territories. But back to the biotic VS borg the splicers books are on a higher power lvl all together.

Blight wrote:In my games any battle that big the CS would send in massive air strike. See thats the CS's true power. The ability to send support in minutes anywhere in CS territories. But back to the biotic VS borg the splicers books are on a higher power lvl all together.

nah, if the cs did operate like that, they would have won SoT within a month hands down.

Our sims were more like Vietnam encounters in the bush. your way out range for easy help or back up. No missiles from Long Ranges coming to save the day. Without gps tech, it would be hard to find em in the bush, when the troops dont even know exactly where they are.

I believe our encounter with the CS took place in Dino-swamp Georga. yeah not within airsupport ranges.

If you'll remember, Tolkien was magically protected from long range bombing. The CS tried their tac-nukes early on and they simply vanished without effect.

demos606 wrote:If you'll remember, Tolkien was magically protected from long range bombing. The CS tried their tac-nukes early on and they simply vanished without effect.

True, but kev needed that to happen.
Tolkeen at an entire army outside their gates just about.

My sims has both groups away from reinforcements. Sure the CS could fly out to back them up, take them an hour or two to get there to help. Battle was done in a few minutes. Only the FQ sim lasted any good length of time. but back to the subject...

I do notice, ppl voteing for Bionics are not saying why ? or why they think it better than going biotic...

Mindcrime wrote:

TechnoGothic wrote:

Tinker Dragoon wrote:Biotic, mostly because I'm rather attached to some of my organs (and might have a few extra).

eww Biotic porn nightmares

Hmm, this reminds me of some hentai that I have... er... heard about.

yeah sure

btw i ordered an Aptom IV toy, it arrived broken
The guyot toy was in perfect condition at least.

Thanks

Yeah healing yourself is much better than waiting on repairs.

"The cyber-doc has an opening next month, first monday of the month. No our armorer died last winter of a d-bee virus. Sorry."

Biotic instead of Bionic.

Cause biotics can still enjoy sex.

Danger wrote:Biotic instead of Bionic.

Cause biotics can still enjoy sex.

Have sex = yes
Enjoy sex with a mutated monstrosity = NOT IMHO

Thinyser wrote:

Danger wrote:Biotic instead of Bionic.

Cause biotics can still enjoy sex.

Have sex = yes
Enjoy sex with a mutated monstrosity = NOT IMHO

Well the Dragons wont turn yah down, or some d-bee chicks

Thinyser wrote:

Danger wrote:Biotic instead of Bionic.

Cause biotics can still enjoy sex.

Have sex = yes
Enjoy sex with a mutated monstrosity = NOT IMHO

Only the Blind Women might be willing to give it up to a Biotic

the fact is you still can get some trust me a few shots of Jameson and enough preserverance at least its possible.

Although if I got eternal brain I'd go borg since I could in theory live for ever

i don't know why people keep forgetting with a brain tube you can have multiple bodies as a borg. Your big monstrous combat body, and your very human good looking fully interactive humanoid body. And if you use the rules from triax you can convert a full blown on giant robot as your body.

Triax Borgs do it in VR

Don't own & never played Splicer but would like to.That said I'd go Biotic =) Guyver lookin coolness LOL

Sgt_Leo_MacKenzie_CSA wrote:Don't own & never played Splicer but would like to.That said I'd go Biotic =) Guyver lookin coolness LOL

Yepp, I would not mind looking like Mirukomi (the Proto-Zoalord) or his later Full Zoalord XIII form. Yepp would not be bad.

The Galactus Kid wrote:Triax Borgs do it in VR

Yeah but Biotics can do it for real though.
Might want to warn her you upgraded it to a Gore Cannon first however...

Biotic:

They heal.
They regrow limbs.
They are not dependent on others for their needs.

/Sub

I'd go with the Biotic also, much more powerfull and better weapons and gear.