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Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 9:59 am
by Sentinel
The pausing to switch styles really is more of a game balance issue than a reflection on reality.
To better reflect an Ultimate Fighter, one should select a single style with a wider array of techniques (Jujutsu, Sankukai, Yu Sool, Drunken Style, Chin-Na, etc), in which the fighter has a selection of punches, kicks, trips, holds/locks, and/or flip-throws.
Re: Ultimate fighters
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:38 am
by Guest
docholliday wrote:Sure these guys may be boring to play, but I have been thinking about how you would create them using N&SS.
I know it takes an attack or melee, I can't remember which and I am at work without my books, to switch styles. These guys know at least 2 styles most of them. They never seem to pause and switch styles.
Any thoughts on this guys?
Actually, switching martial art styles is done between melee rounds.
Re: Ultimate fighters
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2006 10:21 pm
by Library Ogre
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:docholliday wrote:Sure these guys may be boring to play, but I have been thinking about how you would create them using N&SS.
I know it takes an attack or melee, I can't remember which and I am at work without my books, to switch styles. These guys know at least 2 styles most of them. They never seem to pause and switch styles.
Any thoughts on this guys?
Actually, switching martial art styles is done between melee rounds.
Without pause. You just say... "Ok, I was on the offensive with my Tae Kwon Do last round, I think I'll pull back into my Aikido this round and throw him around this round"
Re: Ultimate fighters
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 1:07 am
by Killer Cyborg
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:docholliday wrote:Sure these guys may be boring to play, but I have been thinking about how you would create them using N&SS.
I know it takes an attack or melee, I can't remember which and I am at work without my books, to switch styles. These guys know at least 2 styles most of them. They never seem to pause and switch styles.
Any thoughts on this guys?
Actually, switching martial art styles is done between melee rounds.
And it's probably done for cinematic reasons. Lots of Kung Fu movies have characters switching styles.
"You may have defeated my Mantis Style Kung Fu, but my Fish Style will overwhelm you!"
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 11:57 am
by Sentinel
Wait 'til I add a little "Drunken" to my Monkey Style..
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 8:36 pm
by Sentinel
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 4:58 pm
by Overlord Rikonius
Posted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:58 pm
by Sentinel
Overlord Rikonius 360 wrote:more than 12?
...actually, yes, I think so.
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 11:49 am
by RockJock
Postcards of Chimpanzees comes to mind now.
Posted: Thu Jun 15, 2006 12:00 pm
by Sentinel
Leave My Monkey Alone.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 4:39 pm
by Sentinel
In some cases, a real life martial artist might better be encompassed by an OCC such as can be found in Rifts Australia, or the Gladiator OCC (PFRPG Adeventures on the High Seas).
Combat Athletes as opposed to "dedicated" martial artists.
A Quick Roll character might also take the Combat Athlete Skill Program from Aliens Unlimited Galaxy Guide.
Posted: Tue Jun 20, 2006 5:25 pm
by Guest
Sentinel wrote:In some cases, a real life martial artist might better be encompassed by an OCC such as can be found in Rifts Australia, or the Gladiator OCC (PFRPG Adeventures on the High Seas).
Combat Athletes as opposed to "dedicated" martial artists.
A Quick Roll character might also take the Combat Athlete Skill Program from Aliens Unlimited Galaxy Guide.
Kinthalis mentioned to me today that such characters would be best covered by taking Boxing, Wrestling and Hand to Hand Martial Arts (I'd have probably added things like Fencing, Kick Boxing, and Archery along with some other odds and ends, but that's just me).
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 11:36 am
by Sentinel
The only real "problem" I have in using Physical Training for anything other than a higher-level HU campaign, is that Physical Training characters get (A) substantially higher bonuses to their attributes in general, and (B) either EXT PS or Superhuman PS automatically.
I love the PT character archetype, and use them a lot myself, but I wouldn't want to mis-represent them as something they aren't intended to be.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:11 pm
by Guest
Sentinel wrote:The only real "problem" I have in using Physical Training for anything other than a higher-level HU campaign, is that Physical Training characters get (A) substantially higher bonuses to their attributes in general, and (B) either EXT PS or Superhuman PS automatically.
I love the PT character archetype, and use them a lot myself, but I wouldn't want to mis-represent them as something they aren't intended to be.
I tend to agree in general that PT characters are substantially overpowered for such a concept, however, the basic idea presented would be quite useful in making generic HTH skills which best represent such types of fighters.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 12:33 pm
by Sentinel
Or, more and better HtH and "quickie" styles for characters who are fighter but not DMAs and WMAs.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 1:29 pm
by Guest
Sentinel wrote:Or, more and better HtH and "quickie" styles for characters who are fighter but not DMAs and WMAs.
"Quickie" styles are generally done as hand to hand skills.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 3:00 pm
by Sentinel
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Or, more and better HtH and "quickie" styles for characters who are fighter but not DMAs and WMAs.
"Quickie" styles are generally done as hand to hand skills.
It seemed that the HtH martial arts (Aikido, Karate, Kendo, et al) were somewhat less generic than the "quickie" styles as presented in N&SS, and definitely better than HtH Martial Arts and Expert (although, how can you beat HtH Commando, and the Auto-Dodge at fifth level?
).
Thusly, I distinguished between the two.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 5:30 pm
by Guest
Freefall wrote:Sentinel wrote:Physical Training characters get (A) substantially higher bonuses to their attributes in general, and (B) either EXT PS or Superhuman PS automatically.
I completely overlooked them getting EXT/Su PS. I think I was mostly just looking at their HTH styles and had forgotten just how beefed up they are otherwise (I also noticed the natural AR the aggressive/deadly guys get, but figured most MMA fighters aren't 15th level). Yeah, that would be a bit much. Hm, well, maybe if you just have them rip-off the HtH skill without taking all the other stuff with the category and otherwise have them be Wordly Martial Artists (for limited skill packages). That sounds like the MMA way of doing things
(That or tone down the category a little. Superhuman PS for ordinary humans who just work out a lot is a bit over the top. I could sort of see EXT for those focused on strength, but not Superhuman).
Actually, the bonuses for just the hand to hand skills themselves is likewise over the top, with Aggressive & Deadly Combat and Fast & Defensive Combat having bonuses on par with Monkey Style and Drunken Style, though not quite as bad as the bonuses for HTH: Tarlock Martial Arts.
Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2006 7:37 pm
by Sentinel
Well, Tarlock are superhumanly powerful aliens after all...
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:15 am
by Nekira Sudacne
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:though not quite as bad as the bonuses for HTH: Tarlock Martial Arts.
Dear God, the muchkin in _ME_ choked on Tarlok HtH. Dear Lord, I've never seen bonuses that high in one place before
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:37 am
by Sentinel
Dear God, the muchkin in _ME_ choked on Tarlok HtH.
Do you need me to give you the Heimlich?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:39 am
by Guest
Nekira Sudacne wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:though not quite as bad as the bonuses for HTH: Tarlock Martial Arts.
Dear God, the muchkin in _ME_ choked on Tarlok HtH. Dear Lord, I've never seen bonuses that high in one place before
Then you should see the three variants of HTH Donathair in Rifter #5. Those bonuses are on par with Tarlock, and superior to anything in N&S or MC.
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:19 pm
by Sentinel
Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:10 pm
by Guest
Sentinel wrote:Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Due to that lovely loophole, it's still official.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 10:53 am
by Sentinel
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Due to that lovely loophole, it's still official.
So, we have three versions of ninja fighting styles...?
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:59 am
by Library Ogre
Sentinel wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Due to that lovely loophole, it's still official.
So, we have three versions of ninja fighting styles...?
Remember, Ninjitsu is as much about confusion and misdirection as it is about flipping out and killing people.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:30 pm
by Sentinel
Remember, Ninjitsu is as much about confusion and misdirection as it is about flipping out and killing people.
So, Ninjutsu is actually Politics...?
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:59 pm
by Library Ogre
Sentinel wrote:Remember, Ninjitsu is as much about confusion and misdirection as it is about flipping out and killing people.
So, Ninjutsu is actually Politics...?
Karl Rove is a pseudonym. Before the plastic surgery, he was known as Saki Oroku.
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:17 pm
by Guest
Sentinel wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Due to that lovely loophole, it's still official.
So, we have three versions of ninja fighting styles...?
Five actually, there's one in a Rifter and TMNT&OS also has "Foot Ninjitsu".
Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:35 pm
by Sentinel
Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Kuseru Satsujin wrote:Sentinel wrote:Is HtH Ninjitsu from TMNT still considered an "official" style?
Or, has it been permanently superceded by HtH Ninjitsu from Rifts Japan, and/or Ninjutsu from N&SS?
Due to that lovely loophole, it's still official.
So, we have three versions of ninja fighting styles...?
Five actually, there's one in a Rifter and TMNT&OS also has "Foot Ninjitsu".
I don't count Rifter styles, until they become canon.
I'll have to look at my copy of TMNT & OS again.
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 2:24 am
by Trooper Jim
Isn't "foot ninjitsu" just HtH:Assassin?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:45 am
by Guest
Trooper Jim wrote:Isn't "foot ninjitsu" just HtH:Assassin?
Basically, with some additional moves.