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verdilak wrote:In PFRPG 2nd edition it says,
"Once activated, the ward is permanently affixed to that item or place and the entire ward phrase is indestructable and makes whatever other magic effect, be it caused by a ward, circle, magic curse, or magic spell, permanent and always active in the immediate area around the ward!"

My question is since you can make magic spells permanent, how do you do so? Cast a globe of daylight for example and then activate the permantent ward, or do you do both at the same time or vice versa? Also, do you cast the spell AT the permanent ward or is close proximity enough?

I ask because a player once thought of getting a 6 inch piece of metal pipe, put a glass end on one end, cast a globe of daylight inside the pipe and placed a permanent ward ont he other end and activated it.... Palladium style flashlights.

Also, if you can make spells permanent can you make them triggered? Such as a permanent Trigger + Undead + Inflict + Globe of Daylight + Permanent???

As a GM, I have allowed this sort of thing, just wondering what you guys say on the matter. (ps. I searched for the answer but couldnt find it)

Goliath Strongarm wrote:Alrighty.. none of this is "actual canon" but is based on multiple discussions on the boards, and with other gamers, from rulings Ive made, arguments Ive made, arguments Ive seen other players make, and decisions of other GMs Ive known. That said.....

There are 2 things required for the spell portion. #1- a duration other than instant. #2- a physical effect/effected item.

If the spell's duration is instant, no, you ain't gonna have time to get the ward going. In other words, no "I cast fireball then activate the ward, so that I can cast fireballs whenever i want". However, (I don't have the books with me, so bear with estimates and memory) if you have a spell that says "can cast 1 fireball per round, for the duration of the spell" and the spell has a duration of "1 round per level". Cast the spell, the attach a perm ward, you can now eternally cast 1 fireball per round.

I'm going to touch on requirement #2 now.Physical effect. There HAS to be something to attatch the ward to. IE, a wall of force has a wall to use. A spell like "globe of daylight" doesn't have an actual solid portion to attach to. Now, if the spell was like the D&D version "light" which enchants an object to glow, then yes, you could attatch a perm ward, and it would be eternal. But, by PB, no, you're flashlight won't work.

So, no, your undead ward set wouldn't work.

There's 'stories' of GMs who allow PCs who are both accomplished diabolists and wizards to figure out how to create a new ward (I've nicknamed it the storage jar) which will hold a spell, allowing a ward phrase like the undead one you mentioned.

Of course, if you're the GM, it's all your call. Hope this helped.

verdilak wrote:Hmmm... I think I understand part 1. but a question on it, if you can place a permanence ward on a fireball to be able to eternally cast 1 fireball per round, that to me sounds a bit off... to my way of thinking if you did that, you would just have 1 fireball that you can direct mentally that sticks around with you for ever (since fireballs have no SDC).

And 2. Why wouldnt you think so? if you see the rules it says any magic that is in the immediate area around the ward. So if you cast a Globe of daylight right by a permant ward and activated it, then the globe of daylight should stay there permanently. Though I guess if you really wanted to be a stickler you could I guess add an Area Effect to the Permanent.

verdilak wrote:
My question is since you can make magic spells permanent, how do you do so? Cast a globe of daylight for example and then activate the permantent ward, or do you do both at the same time or vice versa? Also, do you cast the spell AT the permanent ward or is close proximity enough?

Thoth used a perm ward to make a Impenetrable wall of Force spell perminent. I think this is found in the text of the Old Ones Book in 'The Places of Magic' adventure.

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Also, if you can make spells permanent can you make them triggered? Such as a permanent Trigger + Undead + Inflict + Globe of Daylight + Permanent???
Going to let others answer this one.
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drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

verdilak wrote:
My question is since you can make magic spells permanent, how do you do so? Cast a globe of daylight for example and then activate the permantent ward, or do you do both at the same time or vice versa? Also, do you cast the spell AT the permanent ward or is close proximity enough?

Thoth used a perm ward to make a Impenetrable wall of Force spell perminent. I think this is found in the text of the Old Ones Book in 'The Places of Magic' adventure.

Sgt Anjay wrote:Here's the rub....you have to attach the ward to the target of the spell, not just around where the spell is cast.

Sgt Anjay wrote:Read closer. The part you put into italics refers to what happens after the ward has been carved, attached, and energized.

It's active in the immediate area because you attached an area effect ward, not because any spell targeted at any random thing nearby sticks to permanence wards. You attach the ward to whatever you're casting the spell onto, otherwise what's the connection between the ward and the spell?

Crazy Lou wrote:Why go with something as weak as lightening arc? How about invulnerability? Or little force? or like he said invincible armor, or supernatural endurance/strength/speed/magical adrenal rush/speed weapon??? That's the way to go...

Anyway, the reason I even entered this thread was to ask: what're the rules about attaching a permenance ward to supernatural creatures/creatures of magic? Are you allowed to attach all those things to a godling? Also how could you make a permenant summoning like say phantom the air warlock spell, or something? Finally, is there a limit to how many wards you can attach to a single being? Like can I make 10+ spells permenant on a being if I have the necessary bones?

Maybe a copy of the entire spell would be helpful, I dunno.

Thanks

Crazy Lou wrote:Good thinking on the 4-D thing. Out of curiosity, what happens if you try to put multiples on a person? Does it just not work, or does something bad happen, or what?