How much of the 3 galaxies is Independent and unexplored?

gaby · Unread post by **gaby** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 10:18 am

I nener like Big Space empires.

I think Startrek:TNG would have been better in the UFP have only 100 Races in it,and ther were more Independent Powers in AQ.

So tell me what number of worlds are independent of the CCW and TGE?

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:26 pm

That is a very complicated question, you can look to PW and Anvil galaxy books to get percentages controlled by the various power blocks Just recently we had a thread discussing the number of sentient space faring races in the Three Galaxies, we estimate a little over 1000. One third of those space worthy species are in the CCW perhaps another third again have been conquered or belong to the TGE and of the remaining we could guess 10% belong the UWW leaving roughly 20 % of the space worthy species in the three Galaxies to belong to organizations other than the big three, there is a fourth major power in the Anvil galaxy book called the Golgan, they have about a dozen or so races described in it so I would estimate 20% of the galaxy belongs to small empires or are totally independent. Of that 20% I would guess most have little or no contact with any of the major power blocks.

CONCLUSIONS:
# of intelligent races in the 3 G's --> 3,120
# of space faring races in the Three Galaxies --> 1, 040
# of intelligent but less develop races in the Three G's --> 2,080

Spark · Unread post by **Spark** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 7:43 pm

When I saw the second for rolling up your own alien species, that said to me "Any alien race you want to make and any planet/solar system/empire you want to make is up to you." You can go with the concept that many people, namely explorers have gone out to do private colonization, of which there is likely a good number for you to exploit. But again this is something I think that was left open so that people can make their own, and so have an original and unique experience in their game.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Mar 12, 2007 11:40 pm

Besides you could have survivors from previous empires whose civilazation hace come and goone. They lost everything when their parent civilazation collasped. Maybe they are just reentering the space again. Or else maybe they are stuck say in the dark ages.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:14 am

I do not subscribe the "falling back to the dark ages after
having an interstellar empire" theory.

(Well, a big enough repression field could do that, but even that
must be around for at least seveal centuries and/or some other
bad juju must have happened... Like someone "not-so-nice",
like the TGE bombed them back to size, and then a repression field...
Anyhow, it will be the rarer scenario).

However, a heavy birth controlled, isolationist culture is more than
plausible. Even one, that almost depleted it's home system's resources,
and then went to the above "stand-by-fade-away" mode, and after
that discovering FTL...

Whatever...

Point: The 3 Galaxies are full of small powers.

Adios
KLM

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 3:23 am

A fair chunk of it would be independent. Between the UWW, the Splugorth, Phase World itself, the Paradise Federation, and Naruni, you're already going to have a sizable chunk of planets not aligned with the big two.

Plus the CCW doesn't go out and pre-emptively try to conquer everyone. If it finds an inhabited spacefaring world it finds out whether the place would be able to conform to TVIA regulations and then decides whether or not to offer them membership, and if it finds an inhabited planet that doesn't know about life on other worlds then it marks 'em on a chart and leaves 'em alone until they develop further.

Meanwhile the TGE does try and conquer everything it can, but there's political limits on what it can do. Nobody else in the galaxy wants the TGE to get any bigger than it already is, so if they start gobbling up little guys in areas that aren't currently thought of as TGE space then it's gonna run the risk of triggering a war.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 10:32 pm

That makes sense Darkmax. I think I use somewhere between 12 and 20% explored myself.

Braden Campbell · Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:21 pm

By the book,
The Corkscrew is 33% unclaimed by the superpowers, the Thundercloud is 47% unclaimed/unexplored, and the heavily-settled Anvil is 103% claimed by the TGE, the CCW, and the UWW. Seriously.

Note that this "land" is likely all in the outer halo regions, since the galactic interiors and cores are too funky for us carbon life forms.

The major power blocs are incomprehensibly vast. Better get used to it.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:42 pm

I remember that. But there are still millions if not billions of unexplored systems.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:28 am

Aramanthus wrote:I remember that. But there are still millions if not billions of uneplored systems.

Oh I'm sure they'd all be explored by now. I mean let's be realistic here. A planet with Three Galaxies technology and an economy the size of 21st century Earth's would be able to support dozens of exploration and survey craft without breaking a sweat. And there's got to be thousands of planets in the major Three Galaxies civilizations with economies that can support that sorta stuff. Throw in the fact that the major powers have all existed for centuries if not millenia, and you've got plenty of time to catalogue pretty much every star system in the setting several times over.

On the upside for GMs though, all that research and exploration is going to have been very boring, not very widely publicised work. For every star system or planet that makes the evening news because of its panoramic views or ancient technological artifacts, there'll be hundreds that nobody except a few fussy academics in peer-reviewed journals or professional bean counters in mineral prospecting companies ever hear of. And what's more, a lot of places are just gonna get checked once and then filed away and forgotten about for centuries, possibly even millenia. Which is more than enough time for entire civilizations to rise and fall, for primitive backwater aliens to develop their own FTL drives, for the native flora and fauna to be wiped out by invaders from outer space or from beyond a Rift, or for all manner of other bizarre things to happen. CCW and TGE commanders operating in some of the unclaimed backwaters of the Three Galaxies probably find that a lot of the time their official survey charts and reference libraries are going to be less reliable than the Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:29 am

gaby wrote:I nener like Big Space empires.

I think Startrek:TNG would have been better in the UFP have only 100 Races in it,and ther were more Independent Powers in AQ.

So tell me what number of worlds are independent of the CCW and TGE?

Easy answer, as many as YOU want.

Braden Campbell · Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:22 pm

Well... you find CJ Carella and tell him so.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:29 am

To actually fully explore the 3G's fully, you might have to spend as much as 6 months to a year in each system. Now if you want to do it down and dirty you could have ships which jump in and only take a brief look of say one week. Either way it's going to take 10's of thousands of years to explore the 3G's. and as mentioned a short time ago, the 3G's are only partially explored, which make the most sense.

Chronicle · Unread post by **Chronicle** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 2:44 pm

Personally i like the idea of most of it being unexplored and as for the anvil being 103% claimes i would assume that is intentionally set there to describe that certain parts are claimed by multiple powers.

The Thunder Cloud has a lot of potential for having a 4th power block seeing as how much of it is unexplored and less of it is solidly claimed, the race for the thunder cloud could awake that 4th power block and lock the galaxies in a war (much like the dominion war started just with the exploration of the gamma quadrant in DS9) all in all though, lots of ideas can be plopped down there.

Your local lurker and temporal wizard extrodinaire
Chronicle

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 10:01 pm

Bah, partially explored makes no sense at all. You've got Naruni, other major mining/exploration/trading companies, the Splugorth, the CCW, the TGE, the UWW, and a bunch of minor players, and they've all existed for centuries/millenia, and they've all got a vested interest in mapping out as muhc of the Three Galaxies as possible in an endless quest for minerals/rare trade goods/new markets/potential conquests etc etc. Between the lot of them they could have literally millions of manned exploration missions happening at any given time (and billions of unmanned drones) at a cost of a tiny fraction of their combined GDP, and they probably do. After all, it's first in best dressed when it comes to valuable new resources or clients, and you don't want to miss the party just because you decided that even with a tax base of thousands of thriving planets you couldn't afford a measly couple of million credits to send out a couple of extra unmanned FTL probes

To use an analogy that the books used when they were trying to explain travel times, the Three Galaxies is very much like Earth during the age of sail. They have the technology to travel anywhere within the Three Galaxies if they feel like it, but it'll take months of patience and perseverence, and even news from distant lands sent by FTL transmissions will still take days or weeks to arrive. Now a lot of people would say "and yes, much like Earth when the Dutch, Spanish, and English were opening up international trade, a lot of it's obviously going to be unexplored".

Only that's where they'd be wrong. Sure, a journey from one end of the Three Galaxies to the other is going to be like a sailing voyage from London to Sydney. Sure, you can't just instantly map everything out. Sure, the people, places, and politics of the far side of known space are going to be strange and mysterious. But unlike the golden age of exploration on Earth which lasted about four centuries, civilization as we know it in the Three Galaxies has existed for thousands upon thousands of years. Hell, quite a few of the nations that exist today in the Three Galaxies have themselves existed as spacefaring entities for thousands upon thousands of years. If they don't have charts for the planets of every star system in known space by now, complete with at least a summary of all known planets that support life and very extensive dossiers on almost all the planets that have evolved intelligent life, something's seriously seriously wrong.

Of course, as I pointed out earlier you're still taking your life into your own hands and travelling boldly into the unknown if you decide to go wandering around in some of the less well-travelled parts of the Three Galaxies, since the neighbourhood might've changed just the teensiest bit since that CCW survey fleet came through twelve hundred years ago

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 4:03 am

Aramanthus wrote:To actually fully explore the 3G's fully, you might have to spend as much as 6 months to a year in each system. Now if you want to do it down and dirty you could have ships which jump in and only take a brief look of say one week. Either way it's going to take 10's of thousands of years to explore the 3G's. and as mentioned a short time ago, the 3G's are only partially explored, which make the most sense.

Mind you, it means you have to use a single exploratory vessel.

However, the CCW have tens of thousands of _manned_ exploration
vessels.

But - using a Star Trek paralell - the Voyager in the Delta Quadrant
had some very vague information about the area, from an unmanned
probe, which flew by - like 70 years ago.

So many systems are only "explored" to the degree, like
"One blue sun, 6 planets, the third probably has life, but no
higher civilisation, since no radio signals" - nothing
else, and that information is probably like 500 years old.
Now, RIFTS Earth in PA 105... Well, 500 hundred years ago a guy
named Marconi probably went into school at the first time in
his life.

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On the other hand, what the CCW found out in their "region"
probably will not be shared with the TGE and vice versa.

Same for the UWW, Golgans, Altess, etc.

We might even have rather large areas, which are claimed by
some third-league power and which is left alone by the CCW
and the - for the time being - TGE.

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And there is the last question: a fourth power block.

DMB2 stated, that no other major power. Then we had the
Golgans... I personally like the Republik, but do not like the
idea of having a power block which is roughly on par with
the UWW (well, might be, given a good leadership and motivation).

Why? Because introducing further powers into the tri-galactic
game would mean that the original "TGE vs CCW",
"Oppression vs Democracy" concept suffers.
And without that "black and white" stuff, a space opera
is lacking. (Mind you: I like shades of grey. Just the 3G's are
not intended to be such - IMO)

Adios
KLM

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 7:08 am

I think a mining company have to have relatively extensive
data, when to stop mining on a given location, and where to
move.

And there are alternatives, like a modest deposit and easily mined,
vs. a rather large motherlode but deep underground.

And so on.

Plus there is the option of finding some ancient artifact, which might
result in a technological breakthrough...

So, exploration from the commercial sector is probably a
good business.

Adios
KLM

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:56 am

Darkmax wrote:
What you really mean is that they will only set sail to explore a new place and a new civilization, to boldly go where.... erm... wrong scifi.....

Anyway, they would only do so when their current resources have run clean dry.... that they need to find the next place to "plunder".

Bah, if it were just about raw materials none of 'em would ever have left home. All the raw materials the Three Galaxies could ever use in a zillion years is already floating around in the known, claimed, and thoroughly settled parts of space, and they ain't ever gonna have to go somewhere strange and exotic because of a sudden shortage of, say, uranium or gold or xenon or something.

What's out there in terms of plunder is a bit less basic than that. New animals and plants that taste awesome, or (since the Three Galaxies have been conquered and recolonized repeatedly before the current civilizations came along), new strains of existing plants and animals that can grow under extraordinarily hostile conditions. Strange technologies of alien races. Marketable sports, entertainment, and art forms of alien species. Or if you're the Kreeghor or the Splugorth, the alien species themselves are a sellable commodity. Entire civilizations that've never enjoyed the benefit of buying Naruni equipment on credit. Emerging nations that would be ideal partners for the CCW. Crazy-ass insane planets torn asunder by magical forces that make them ideal outposts for interdimensional exploration. Quiet, rarely visited corners of the Three Galaxies where your people/cult/company can settle down without fear of repressive persecution from the powers that be. Backwater planets a conveniently long way away from anywhere important that'd make ideal penal colonies. And of course, straight up conquest and/or extermination of lesser races if you're that way inclined.

You know, all the many and varied reasons that saw various European cultures explode across the globe in a wave of exploration, trade, and conquest that literally opened up the entire world in the space of four centuries.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:22 pm

Rallan wrote:Bah, if it were just about raw materials none of 'em would ever have left home.

One word - K-Hex - proves you wrong.

Adios
KLM

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:45 pm

Personally I'm glad that most the 3G's are still unexplored!

Oh and KLM I was thinking about many thousands of ships carrying out the exploration when I wrote that previous post. I just thought youd' like to know.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:57 pm

Darkmax wrote:you are apparently very untrained in market forces.

Once your own backyard is dug and emptied, move on to the next.

Europeans "exploded" all over the world for 2 things. Bypass the Arabian middlemen, and spices and gold.

Thing is that in the Three Galaxies, the gold's already in your own back yard. Raw materials are so ridiculously abundant across the Three Galaxies that nobody's ever going to do that setting's equivalent of sailing across the Atlantic just for gold. Interstellar trade and the exploration it generates is largely going to be about manufactured goods, luxury items, human(oid) services, and information/entertainment rather than bulk raw materials. You might have some inhabited worlds that need to import basic foodstuffs to keep up with demand, or newish settlements that haven't achieved economic independence and still need a steady stream of raw materials and basic manufactured goods to keep them going, but by and large any inhabited world is going to have pretty much everything it needs either on-planet, in-system, or within a few days' FTL travel. Agriculture, mining, and basic manufacturing are going to be so widespread and efficient in the Three Galaxies that there's not really going to be much incentive to explore the whole galaxy just to squeeze a little extra profit out of 'em.

To run with your one-liner of an analogy, people in the Three Galaxies aren't going to go exploring the universe because they've dug up their own back yard, they're going to do it because they're bored of what's on television. They've got the basics of life. They're comfortable. What they want is more consumer goods. They want exotic fruits and spices. They want new and exciting celebrities. They want drugs nobody else has ever heard of. They want new technologies that'll make them a fortune. They want a civilization that's found a way to make chess less boring to play. They want the best masseurs in the galaxy. They want famous brand-name shoes instead of the ones they're wearing now. They want genuine triple-distilled T'zee moonshine instead of the local stuff even though it tastes the same. It's gonna be advanced goods and intangibles that drive the entrepreneurial side of space exploration in the Three Galaxies, not a need to find a nice iron-rich asteroid belt or something.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:19 pm

I agree about the resources. Every asteroid belt you find is abundent resources at your disposal.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:53 am

KLM wrote:
Rallan wrote:Bah, if it were just about raw materials none of 'em would ever have left home.

One word - K-Hex - proves you wrong.

Adios
KLM

Killarite is only found on some planets and cannot be synthetised
(or at least difficult/ uneconomic to synthetise).

Therefore there ARE resource in the 3 galaxies which are not "everywhere".

Adios
KLM

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:59 am

You know, IRL it might be actually true, to a degree...

But a space opera without "exotic, rare" stuff would be
(a bit more) boring.

Just my two 0.02 credits

Adios
KLM

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 8:19 am

KLM wrote:You know, IRL it might be actually true, to a degree...

But a space opera without "exotic, rare" stuff would be
(a bit more) boring.

Just my two 0.02 credits

Adios
KLM

It's just a matter of different kinds of exotic and rare. A consumer culture will always breed products and brand names that are insanely expensive not because of any intrinsic value they have but because of the value of the product or the brand. It's sort of like being in a civilization where anything can be duplicated thanks to modern technology. All of a sudden, a bottle that tastes like the real double-distilled scotch isn't worth anything in particular because anyone can make it. The symbol of prestige isn't in owning a bottle of tastes-like-the-real-thing, it's in owning a bottle of really-is-the-real-thing. And if you're fishing for second best, it's in producing a bottle that was made by the real recipe. Prestige products, and new markets that have something to sell in exchange of those products, that's where the money's gonna be in an intergalactic market as old as the Three Galaxies. Hell, the dudes making unpiratable Seals Of Approval are probably gonna wind up being at least as rich as the dudes who ship the goods.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Mar 21, 2007 10:45 pm

That does make a lot of sense Rallan! Good job!

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Mar 22, 2007 10:25 pm

Some place it might work that way.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 1:34 am

Darkmax wrote:unfortunately that's not how things work.

Actually it probably is how things work. There's thousands (tens of thousands? millions?) of inhabitable worlds. Manufacturing, mining, and agriculture, are millenia ahead of what 20th century Earth has. Even if your planet has a shortage of something basic like shoes or wheat or Plutonium, there's bound to be a planet within a few days' FTL travel that manufactures 'em in excess, or - in the case of raw materials - entire solar systems and asteroid belts within the same distance that can be exploited. Apart from new settlements that aren't self-sufficient yet, industrial or commercial megacentres where demand for raw materials or food has outstripped in-system supply, and agricultural specialists that cater to their less self-sufficient neighbours, there's not gonna be much interstellar trade in the basic commodities. And there's especially not going to be much long-distance trade in them. Any trade that goes beyond the local neighborhood is gonna be made up almost entirely of high-end manufactured goods, luxury items, information, and passengers. There's no point filling your cargo bay up with titanium or rice and schlepping halfway across the galaxy to a planet with a shortage of them, because there will be a staggering number of other places a lot closer than you that can supply the demand, and a staggering number of markets closer to you where you can dump your product for a profit. A hold full of Naruni weapons, or ridiculously expensive and sophisticated mining equipment, or rare drugs from the Paradise Federation though, that's gonna be worth hauling over a considerable distance because suppliers of those things are gonna be a tad more thinly spread.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Fri Mar 23, 2007 7:10 am

And again: Killarite (K-Hex) is not found everywhere.

So, in "canon" some stuff are not aboundant, nor easy
to synthetise. Period.

Contrary to anything what we know about our universe...

Adios
KLM

Nxla666 · Unread post by **Nxla666** » Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:05 am

Darkmax wrote:Look he play things his way, we play things our ways. Let's not brawl over a difference in opinion.

Ok.

What other excuse do we need to brawl?

Chronicle · Unread post by **Chronicle** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 7:22 am

If the Intruders are so much Unknown why not toss them in the Thundercloud. set up a small little nation of about say........a few hundred worlds. Use the ones that are seen in known space as a slave extention used to explore.

Rallan · Unread post by **Rallan** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 9:08 am

Chronicle wrote:If the Intruders are so much Unknown why not toss them in the Thundercloud. set up a small little nation of about say........a few hundred worlds. Use the ones that are seen in known space as a slave extention used to explore.

Thing is if they were in Thundercloud they wouldn't be unknown. Bits of the Three Galaxies might be fairly obscure backwaters, but even if you go with the notion that there's fairly big tracts of uncharted territory out there it'd be kinda silly to assume that a spacefaring civilization with hundreds of member planets and a totally unique technology would've gone completely unnoticed unti recently. It'd also be silly to assume that a civilization of a few hundred worlds that isn't that much better than everyone else at interstellar warfare would suddenly try and take on every major power in the Three Galaxies simultaneously. The Intruders just don't make much sense unless they're either from a very long way away or another dimension.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Sun Mar 25, 2007 12:17 pm

Which also qualifies as "from very long way away", however,
as I recall, the Intruders attacked the "outside" of the
galaxy...

Which - of course - might be intentional, to hide their
"core-origins".

Adios
KLM

Chronicle · Unread post by **Chronicle** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:06 am

As well as a more efficient array then just 2 ship types. I can't see them existing on these 2 unless it is a huge scouting effort by an outside race.

Though i admit that the mysterious 40+ percent of the thunder cloud is a bit farfetched as an origin the intruders even with their unique tech still seem a bit under powered. Though a small rifted portion of the REF fleet would be nice to put in there (preferably with a working protoculter matrix which wouldn't be likely). give them like 5-15 worlds in a close proximity and they might be useful or atleast fun.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 10:49 pm

There could be another type of ship the Intruders have. A larger mothership could be hiding out there beyond the limits of exploration.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed Mar 28, 2007 10:54 pm

Why? It could be the equilent size to a Packmaster. That would still qualify as a ship.

anarchclown · Unread post by **anarchclown** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:02 am

Yes please new illustrations for Intruders so i do not have to enter homicidal rage every time i try to look at their stats and story but all I see is those pictures.

Actually thats not the only thing about PW sourcebook that pisses me of. I mean the concept vs. realization of Bush Federation is also pretty annoying. I mean the concept is pretty ok but the focus of it is. Yes they have a culture and now they are part of the CCW and thats about as much info we get before getting in to the Cyberai and Oni Ninja wich are both kind of crappily illustrated with some lackluster, and sometimes overpowered, stats to add to that. Also the picture for the weapon produced by the Bushi doesn't look like a Katana and doesn't look like it could even be used for anything.

I wouldn't really be this annoyed with it had it not been for the fact that i really think both ideas are pretty good to begin with. But thats vintage CJ Carella for you. Full of cool ideas but sometimes it feels like he is a bit too lazy to get into the details of it. Can't blame him for the pictures though.

Hopefully at least the Bushi Federation if not the intruders get a slightly more interesting polish in Bradens book about the Thundercloud. I have hope.

Braden Campbell · Thu Mar 29, 2007 8:39 am

I'm going to try.

The Bushi are one of the Consortium's major allies, and one of the few ultra-tech societies native to the Thundercloud. In fact, their level of technology is reportedly so great that everyone constantly tries to steal their secrets!

They are still going to be based on medieval japan... but my thought is this: we know that Ameratsu gifted them with technology before she left them... but what if this wasn't a gradual learning curve kind of thing, but a sudden and totally disruptive transformation? Like the Oni went from 1500 AD to 2500 AD overnight.

What would that do to a caste society? What would that do to their religious beliefs (you might learn a bit about it in Fleets)? Why is the Bushi Federation so small? Things like that. I'll be trying to give them a bit more depth rather than just "oh yeah, they're Japan in space".

Greyaxe · Unread post by **Greyaxe** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:11 am

Traitors to the Empire the lot of them....

anarchclown · Unread post by **anarchclown** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:05 pm

Sounds kind of like the situation in real world Japan during the Meiji era. Very cool. Might be that in time they develop into something completely different. I like the idea. You could possibly tie it in with normal Rifts Japan somehow as well?

Braden Campbell · Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:01 pm

Yeah.. it's going to parallel real-life history pretty closely, because i've learned the actual history is often far more bizzare than anything you could possibly make up yourself.

The Bushi Federation even closed its borders for five hundred years to all outsiders... during which time, the stories about their technology trove grew more and more. People tried all kinds of crazy stunts to sneak onto the Oni worlds, until finally, a Kreeghor fleet led by a Doombringer showed up, and demanded to be let in.

The Oni joined the Consortium shortly thereafter.

anarchclown · Unread post by **anarchclown** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 7:11 pm

Sounds good. Looking forward to it.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:18 pm

Thatnks for the very interesting morsel of information on your new book Braden!

anarchclown · Unread post by **anarchclown** » Sat Apr 07, 2007 10:18 am

So you are making the Bushi a separate but allied nation rather than a part of the CCW then? I prefer it that way myself but just wondering what you think? Personally the Three Galaxies get more interesting and more like true Space Opera for every new weird faction that inhabits it.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:09 am

It might be an interesting universe that way.

Braden Campbell · Mon Apr 09, 2007 5:28 pm

anarchclown wrote:So you are making the Bushi a separate but allied nation rather than a part of the CCW then? I prefer it that way myself but just wondering what you think? .

Sort of.

The CCW is like the United Nations... it's an agreement between "countries" that they will share technologies, band together for mutual defense, and uphold common beliefs. But the Consortium Congress does not rule absolute. There are still many governments that make up the member worlds.

So although the Bushi Federation is a member of this giant organization called the Consortium, its the same as saying Canada is a member of NATO.

Consortium worlds can pass whatever laws they want, and can do whatever they want, so long as they do not violate the Four Freedoms. That, to me, makes them more of "close allies" than "members of the Union".

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:19 pm

That is both funny and sort of disturbing at the same time.

anarchclown · Unread post by **anarchclown** » Thu Apr 12, 2007 11:35 pm

I blame crack cocaine.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:09 am

I blame..........................Don Imus!

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Fri Apr 13, 2007 12:16 am

No, I was answering the guy who blamed Crak cocaine.

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