First Naruni Weapon 3d Renders

Kesslan · Unread post by **Kesslan** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:08 am

Not bad, the colour scheme makes it a touch hard to see the detail though.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:05 pm

Kyle, your skills continue to improve! Very nice! :ok:

How about the NE-75H next

Carl

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 4:53 pm

You are correct. Braden made a life size copy in this thread.

Carl

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Wed Apr 25, 2007 11:00 pm

Square muzzle, as opposed to round?
Makes sense...having a cylindrical muzzle would REALLY bulk the things out...

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 10:01 pm

Nice job

Carl

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 6:25 pm

taalismn wrote:Square muzzle, as opposed to round?
Makes sense...having a cylindrical muzzle would REALLY bulk the things out...

Yeah, but I for one don't care for the look. :-?

No offense to the skills of the artist.

Plus, I could have sworn that Naruni weapons were notoriously heavy and bulky (other than the newer "Slim-Lines")...

Esckey · Unread post by **Esckey** » Sun Apr 29, 2007 8:09 pm

Do you still have a link to that Serpant PA? These look great

taalismn · Unread post by **taalismn** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 6:34 pm

kyle wrote:Alright, here's my 3d interpretation of the Shoulder Cannon.

http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?imag ... mp2lr3.jpg

.

Excellent...I always liked the Shoulder Cannon...a sniper's dream...

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 8:00 pm

Darkmax wrote:Energy weapons don't really need a round muzzle, no? In fact they wouldn't even need a muzzle....

That's not necessarily true of plasma, as it is contained by electromagnetic fields. Thus, it depends on what the most efficent layout of fields would be for shaping the "round".

Not to mention, I could have sworn I have seen artwork or a description that indicates they have a round muzzle. Not a big deal in the grand scheme of things, really. It's more a tiny matter of plausibility and a whole lot of personal preference.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon Apr 30, 2007 11:18 pm

Those are some nice pics! Great job Kyle!

Warwolf · Unread post by **Warwolf** » Tue May 01, 2007 5:02 pm

kyle wrote:Okay, Warwolf, dude, I'm saying this with a smile, see?! But Please read previous posts, especially if the artist uses them to explain his work.
In two of my previous posts on this thread, I already explained that 3d guns inside of game engines - which I said is what I designed these NE weapons with a mind for, whether they ever get rendered or not - are NOT round. Zoom in on one (not what's carried by your character in an FPS, those are rendered differently, but what other characters carry), and you'll see, they are made up of (typically) 6 flat edges. When rendered by the engine, and given a bit of shading and extra detail work, they create the illusion of roundness. The flat edges are necessary if you want any kind of a decent frame rate.

Just so you know, I was not addressing your posts, but the ones made by taalismn and Darkmax. I never stated that you didn't have good reasons for making them square (which you do), that's why I stated that my comments were no offense to you.

I was stating that I don't like the look with a square barrel, not that you should have made them round anyway. That's all, there is nothing more to read into my statements.

In simpler terms, good on ya for expending the effort to do the work. I don't like the look of Naruni weapons with square muzzles, but I'm sure they won't appear that way when added into a 3D game engine. :-D

Was I clear enough that time?

Oh, and DM, the Naruni weapons fire the form of plasma that is superheated gas (not the liquid). Therefore, for all intents and purposes, I believe that Palladium counts it as an "energy" based round.

Carl Gleba · Unread post by **Carl Gleba** » Wed May 02, 2007 8:18 am

Darkmax wrote:Okay... that's a bit confusing in that case..... superheated gas projector gun is considered energy weapon.....

That doesn't make much sense....

Well I don't think you can call it a slug thrower? :-)

Plasma is the fourth state of matter, ionized gas (I think?). In my mind its a very dense piece of plasma that is ejected via EM. I don't think its worth coming up with a new W.P. so just lump it under energy weapons. Keep it simple I say

Carl

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Wed May 02, 2007 12:17 pm

Adding to Carl's piece, that plasma guns
1, Do not need bullets, as such
(except of course NE cartridge guns)

2, There is no bullet after a hit

3, The main part of damage is done
by the heat, rather than the impact

So, these point qualify plasma weapons as
energy weapons in the term of magic
(like impervious to energy).

Besides, the amount of matter projected is
comparable in the case of particle and ion
weapons, yet those are also "energy" weapons.

What is more... Damage by particle weapons
are done by subatomic reaction caused by
the particles, which is - from a certain point of
wiew - kinetic damage.

That said, use WP Energy "whatever" and the
spell "Impervious to energy" protects against it.

Adios
KLM

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu May 03, 2007 12:34 am

I thought plasma weapons were supposed to be encased in some sort of magnetic field which allowed them to maintain their cohesiveness untill it impacts it target.

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Thu May 03, 2007 2:59 am

Aramanthus wrote:I thought plasma weapons were supposed to be encased in some sort of magnetic field which allowed them to maintain their cohesiveness untill it impacts it target.

Hmm...

In ST, there are plasma beams - ie. your futuristic flamethrower.
Heat up some small amout of stuff to plasma state, and throw
it via magnetic fields at the target's direction.
After leaving the nozzle, nothing keeps the "beam" (or impulse)
together, except sheer inertia. (and handwawium

)

There are however plasma torpedoes, which are made of a
small torpedo, which creates a double bubble forcefield
around itself, and the launching vessel pumps plasma between
the two layers for a prolonged period (like several second),
effectively concentrating that duration's reactor output into
one strike.

For my part, I really doubt that NE plasma cartridge weapons
work on the second principle.

Adios
KLM

KLM · Unread post by **KLM** » Thu May 03, 2007 7:20 am

Actually, clearly "beam" plasma weapons, sometimes
have better range than the NE cartridge guns.

(NE-10 - 9 kg, 365m range
C-27 - 5,4 kg, 488 km :shock:

range... which is an old typo,
and equals 1600 feet

. Funny thing, that this typo is present
from the first RMB's to the RUE )

So, NE cartridge guns actually not that long ranged.
(NE-75 being the exception).

Adios
KLM

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Thu May 03, 2007 10:51 pm

Those NE weapons do seem to have a short range.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sat May 05, 2007 2:50 am

I know I've heard that about plasma weapons too.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:34 am

In what way? I know that are still under development. And they do show some promise the last time I read about them.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:27 am

Magnetic would be a reasonable substitute.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:52 am

I sort of thought that you'd include it!

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Mon May 07, 2007 10:23 pm

Um not exactly. Unless Einstein's unified theory is proven with out a doubt.

Aramanthus · Unread post by **Aramanthus** » Wed May 09, 2007 10:46 pm

Yes, we will someday in the future. I can wait. And that same theory can actually work with a lot of the stuff from Phase World.