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bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Nulsyn wrote:And imagine if said Rune weapon was made from "their" V~~V intelligence!

Wouldn't creating a rune weapon out of a vampire intelligence effectively be destroying the intelligence, thus annihilating all of its vampire minions also?

bob the desolate one wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

sorry kc but i got you cold on cannon on this one
the follwing is verbatim from page 22 of vampire kingdoms (i even punctuated it)

The intelligence is the master of vampires and can enforce its will
over all vampires whether they are part of its evil essence or that of
another. As a rule, vampires who are part of the intelligence's essence
will not consider trying to defy their creator, except under the most
extreme circumstances (like being a player character).

Yup, so you do.
I was basing my suppostion on the fact that vampires created by one intelligence can't really control vampires created by another intelligence.
I didn't remember that part addressing the actual intelligences themselves, so I stand corrected.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Impossible, all the vampires created by that intelligence would die when the vampire intelligence was made into a rune weapon.

It seems to me, also, that the essences trapped within and powering rune weapons do not retain the ability to employ any of their previous powers, only those of the rune weapon itself. They maintain their alignment and intelligence, of course, but that seems to be it.

GM's call, of course (just like everything in an RPG ); it's definitely an interesting twist on the whole rune weapon idea.

I think it would make for an interesting storeyline, in fact I've run such a game before. I let the VI, minions remain, though in a stasis until the sword was found and used, then the mega baddie had an army of vamps to go along with his greatest rune weapon

Greyaxe wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Impossible, all the vampires created by that intelligence would die when the vampire intelligence was made into a rune weapon.

Are you certain of that?

Qev wrote:It seems to me, also, that the essences trapped within and powering rune weapons do not retain the ability to employ any of their previous powers, only those of the rune weapon itself. They maintain their alignment and intelligence, of course, but that seems to be it.

GM's call, of course (just like everything in an RPG ); it's definitely an interesting twist on the whole rune weapon idea.

Yes, the being inside the rune weapon loses any of their old powers.

But there's nothing saying that it couldn't be a power specific to the rune weapon itself.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

Greyaxe wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Impossible, all the vampires created by that intelligence would die when the vampire intelligence was made into a rune weapon.

Are you certain of that?

I dont have vampire kingdoms with me but it does state (dont have a page number) that if the intelligence is killed its minions die with it. (ill check for the page number when I get home tonight)

I'd say that the Vampire Intelligence doesn't get to exert its powers over Vampires once turned into the Rune blade.

After all, Gods of all sorts are used in the creation of Rune Weps and Artifacts, and yet you don't see those weapons exhibiting Deific Powers or granting Pacts of Servitude, or creating Essence Fragments.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

Greyaxe wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Impossible, all the vampires created by that intelligence would die when the vampire intelligence was made into a rune weapon.

Are you certain of that?

I would agree with that. The intelligence effectively ceases to exist, being completely and eternally sealed off from reality within the rune weapon.

Nulsyn wrote:

cornholioprime wrote:I'd say that the Vampire Intelligence doesn't get to exert its powers over Vampires once turned into the Rune blade.

After all, Gods of all sorts are used in the creation of Rune Weps and Artifacts, and yet you don't see those weapons exhibiting Deific Powers or granting Pacts of Servitude, or creating Essence Fragments.

Yes but the weapons powers derive from the being within. So a VI who is used to create a Rune weapon could end up being a vampire controlling staff or some such.

That is correct; but Rune Weapons typically have the same series of powers according to the power level of the being within, regardless of their origins; hence, the Basic Powers of Lesser/Greater/Greatest Rune Weapons chart listed in Rifts: Atlantis.

Does this mean that you can't have a Rune Sword that does everything in the OP?? Of course not.

BUT, does it mean that the Rune Weapon in question automatically gets the powers of the being used to make it?? Nope.

Based on the wide variety of powers of the Rune Artifacts present in the pages of the Palladium Megaverse, it is equally possible for me to have a "Control a Vampire Like a Vamp Intelligence" Rune Wep in a Lesser, Greater, or even Greatest Rune Wep........whether or not the being within is a Vamp Intelligence.

Vampire: You call, my Master, I come forth to serve thee- wait a minute, where's the VI that controls me??

Player: That which commands you is right here in this blade...

Vampire: Tell me, mortal, what spirit is that in the blade, that commands me so?? Is it an Elder God?? Perhaps a Vampire Intelligence itself??

Player: Nope. Just the soul of Schleppo the Homeless Guy, Nose-Picker extraordinaire....

Vampire:

Nulsyn wrote:

cornholioprime wrote:

Nulsyn wrote:

cornholioprime wrote:I'd say that the Vampire Intelligence doesn't get to exert its powers over Vampires once turned into the Rune blade.

After all, Gods of all sorts are used in the creation of Rune Weps and Artifacts, and yet you don't see those weapons exhibiting Deific Powers or granting Pacts of Servitude, or creating Essence Fragments.

Yes but the weapons powers derive from the being within. So a VI who is used to create a Rune weapon could end up being a vampire controlling staff or some such.

That is correct; but Rune Weapons typically have the same series of powers according to the power level of the being within, regardless of their origins; hence, the Basic Powers of Lesser/Greater/Greatest Rune Weapons chart listed in Rifts: Atlantis.

Does this mean that you can't have a Rune Sword that does everything in the OP?? Of course not.

BUT, does it mean that the Rune Weapon in question automatically gets the powers of the being used to make it?? Nope.

Based on the wide variety of powers of the Rune Artifacts present in the pages of the Palladium Megaverse, it is equally possible for me to have a "Control a Vampire Like a Vamp Intelligence" Rune Wep in a Lesser, Greater, or even Greatest Rune Wep........whether or not the being within is a Vamp Intelligence.

Vampire: You call, my Master, I come forth to serve thee- wait a minute, where's the VI that controls me??

Player: That which commands you is right here in this blade...

Vampire: Tell me, mortal, what spirit is that in the blade, that commands me so?? Is it an Elder God?? Perhaps a Vampire Intelligence itself??

Player: Nope. Just the soul of Schleppo the Homeless Guy, Nose-Picker extraordinaire....

Vampire:

I can agree with all of this.
But I don't think it excludes the idea to any point.

Actually I plan on using the idea in one of my games.

Someone who can create Rune Weapons, wants the essence of a VI so he can make the ultimate Vampiric Rune Staff. Just fits to me.

As always, to quote the old phrase ad nauseum, the Gm can do anything in his or her games that (s)he wants.

Just be aware that putting in a creature of X type, and then automatically gaining some or most of that creature's abilities as a aprt of the Rune Wep, is shown nowhere in canon that I can think of -Palladium or Rifts.

cornholioprime wrote:Based on the wide variety of powers of the Rune Artifacts present in the pages of the Palladium Megaverse, it is equally possible for me to have a "Control a Vampire Like a Vamp Intelligence" Rune Wep in a Lesser, Greater, or even Greatest Rune Wep........whether or not the being within is a Vamp Intelligence.

Yes.
But it makes for a better story if the weapon was made from a Vampire Intelligence.

bob the desolate one wrote:what if a glitch in the ritual used to create the rune weapon made it so the sword can create a essence fragment and wield itself

What if it were made that way deliberately?




Ever heard of Necrom, the Undying?

bob the desolate one wrote:Ever heard of Necrom, the Undying?

no i have not so..... go on......[/quote]

PRFPG: Adventures in the Northern Wilderness, p. 29

Necrom is a runesword that instantly (no save) transforms anybody who touches it.... into Necrom, a 20' tall giant "with red skin, no hair, and huge muscles."

"The transformed victim is the flesh and blood extension of the runesword itself."

The dwarven runesmiths who crafted the blade accidently tapped into an Old One (Tarm-Kin-Toe), and somehow that created Necrom.

In the case of your vampire Intelligence:
Perhaps it managed to convert some runesmiths, and learned of a way to get itself deliberately incarnated in a runeweapon.
Anybody who touches the sword is transformed into a powerful vampire (or maybe is subjected to the Slow Kill effect first), or a demonic extension of the Intelligence.



(In our campaign, an android PC found the Necrom sword. It couldn't affect him, since he wasn't a person, so he could pick it up safely.
But when he stabbed a kappa with the sword, the Kappa turned into Necrom, who instantly tried to retrieve the sword and kill the PCs)

Killer Cyborg wrote:PRFPG: Adventures in the Northern Wilderness, p. 29

Necrom is a runesword that instantly (no save) transforms anybody who touches it.... into Necrom, a 20' tall giant "with red skin, no hair, and huge muscles."

"The transformed victim is the flesh and blood extension of the runesword itself."

The dwarven runesmiths who crafted the blade accidently tapped into an Old One (Tarm-Kin-Toe), and somehow that created Necrom.

In the case of your vampire Intelligence:
Perhaps it managed to convert some runesmiths, and learned of a way to get itself deliberately incarnated in a runeweapon.
Anybody who touches the sword is transformed into a powerful vampire (or maybe is subjected to the Slow Kill effect first), or a demonic extension of the Intelligence.

...The sword posesses the ability to transform its victims into Wild Vampires (or secondary, I suppose) under the control of the sword's wielder! This terrifying ability has some limitations.
If this is performed during daylight hours, the victim of the the attack will likely be burned instantly.
The transformation is only triggered when the attacker rolls a natural 18-20 on the attack roll and the damage from that attack is enough to actually slay the victim. If the body is not destroyed, the victim will rise 1D20 minutes later as a Secondary or Wild vampire, completely loyal to the wielder of the sword! The usual methods for disposing of this vampire apply...

A diferent variation of vamp creation rules as a result of an attack: The GM makes a secret percentile roll when someone is killed by this sword and on a roll of 80-95 a wild vamp is created and 96-100 makes a secondary. In any case, all the victim's blood is magically abosorbed by the blade at the moment of death. Masters are not possible (unless you really want to )
The vamp created will rise the first night after creation, instinctively drawn to the blade and loyal to its wielder.

All outta my noggin, feel free to disect, use, manipulate, alter or disregard as you see fit.

bob the desolate one wrote:you mind if i use that idea in my campaign

Go for it.

asajosh wrote:If this is performed during daylight hours, the victim of the the attack will likely be burned instantly.

Go for it, I post stuff here with the intent that others use it. Rock on.

PFRPG seemed to make it so each rune sword was very unique. Powers they had could easily be seen as the same or lesser versions of spells/powers the being had before they got made into a rune weapon. Healing spells for good alignments, mind control for evil ones, etc.

Atlantis turned them into generic 'runs' we need 100 Rune-Z swords. Line up 100 godlings and turn them into rune weapons like on some assembly line.

I've always done the PFRPG version, even in Rifts. I like the unique aspect myself.

Qev wrote:

Nulsyn wrote:And imagine if said Rune weapon was made from "their" V~~V intelligence!

Wouldn't creating a rune weapon out of a vampire intelligence effectively be destroying the intelligence, thus annihilating all of its vampire minions also?

I was thinking the same thing...

killgore wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

Greyaxe wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

bob the desolate one wrote:vampires are immune to mind control but..... what if said control was directed at them using a rune weapon made from a vampire intelligence since all rune weapons are fueled by greater demons alien intelligences spirits of light and the sort is this do able

I'd say that this could work, but only on vampires that were created by that particular Vampire Intelligence.

Impossible, all the vampires created by that intelligence would die when the vampire intelligence was made into a rune weapon.

Are you certain of that?

In various places in the books, they refer to it as a SACRIFICE, and has KILLING and or DEAD. And since all the little vamps go the way of toast when the VI dies,......

One of the Rune Weapon powers could be making more vampires.

Could be awkward, if the wielder doesn't know about it.