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As the title suggests, I'm interested to know what you all think of this magic weapon tattoo combination. By the way, I'm not min/maxing, it just happened to come up in character creation.

Would a battle axe (2D8 SDC):

a) simply do 2D8 MD from the flaming element or

b) would the SDC double first from the blood dripping element before the MD conversion occurred allowing the the battle axe to inflict4D8 MD?

I'm tempted to say "b" myself, but the fact that the blood dripping power only doubles SDC, you could argue that "a" is correct depending on the order the powers appled.

Either way... weapon now does double damage in MDC.

Does it actually say that the blood-dripping tattoo only doubles SDC damage? Because I'd say that tat weapon would do 4d8 MD, but it would also count as 2 active tattoos whenever in use.

Yes, it would make it do double SDC which is then MDC.

however, that's 2 active tattoos right there

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes, it would make it do double SDC which is then MDC.

however, that's 2 active tattoos right there

Yes this is what I was getting at.

Sorry Braden, I don't think my original post got this across sufficiently - the discussion that came up at home was whether the dripping element doubled the SDC before the MD was applied if it was merely an "SDC doubler".

I think, like you guys, we'll go for b) - cheers!

sHaka wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes, it would make it do double SDC which is then MDC.

however, that's 2 active tattoos right there

Yes this is what I was getting at.

Sorry Braden, I don't think my original post got this across sufficiently - the discussion that came up at home was whether the dripping element doubled the SDC before the MD was applied if it was merely an "SDC doubler".

I think, like you guys, we'll go for b) - cheers!

I do belive what he is talking about is a single tattoo that has both the blood & fire elements in it.

In rifts, If, such a tattoo is possible, then it would do double the damage listed under weapons simple, in MD.

But here is a quandery, if such weapon is leagl, then what damage would it do on the PF world? triple damage or quad-damage?

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

sHaka wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:Yes, it would make it do double SDC which is then MDC.

however, that's 2 active tattoos right there

Yes this is what I was getting at.

Sorry Braden, I don't think my original post got this across sufficiently - the discussion that came up at home was whether the dripping element doubled the SDC before the MD was applied if it was merely an "SDC doubler".

I think, like you guys, we'll go for b) - cheers!

I do belive what he is talking about is a single tattoo that has both the blood & fire elements in it.

In rifts, If, such a tattoo is possible, then it would do double the damage listed under weapons simple, in MD.

But here is a quandery, if such weapon is leagl, then what damage would it do on the PF world? triple damage or quad-damage?

It is a legal combination - the book (WB2, BoM) states that more than one magical element can be added to a particular weapon - flaming/crossed; winged/blood-dripping etc.

What the result would mean for PFRPG, i'm not sure.

I would say that in the Palladium Fantasy world, it would still only do 4d8 damage, but it would register as magic, allowing it to hurt those things immune to standard weapons.

The tattoos Blood dripping flaming would work but counts as 2 tattoos for activation

Talavar wrote:I would say that in the Palladium Fantasy world, it would still only do 4d8 damage, but it would register as magic, allowing it to hurt those things immune to standard weapons.

No Duhh.......with eather one of the MAGIC enhancments it would hurt those only hurt by magic. Though my memory is fuzzy on weather the weapons simple would hurt them.

Marc. so the bloody flame sword would take 2APM to activate? or?
(working w/o my WB2 )

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Talavar wrote:I would say that in the Palladium Fantasy world, it would still only do 4d8 damage, but it would register as magic, allowing it to hurt those things immune to standard weapons.

No Duhh.......with eather one of the MAGIC enhancments it would hurt those only hurt by magic. Though my memory is fuzzy on weather the weapons simple would hurt them.

Marc. so the bloody flame sword would take 2APM to activate? or?
(working w/o my WB2 )

Rude much? Well, I'll return a "duh," as simple weapons, though created by magic, don't count as magic, same as those made by a conjuror.

And as to whether either (duh) of those 2 enhancements makes a weapon count as magic is somewhat up in the air. Flaming clearly does, but for blood dripping there's no official ruling. Since the damage remains SDC, I would say it doesn't make it magical enough to hurt vampires, or were-creatures, or any of the other things actually immune to normal damage.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Talavar wrote:I would say that in the Palladium Fantasy world, it would still only do 4d8 damage, but it would register as magic, allowing it to hurt those things immune to standard weapons.

No Duhh.......with eather one of the MAGIC enhancments it would hurt those only hurt by magic. Though my memory is fuzzy on weather the weapons simple would hurt them.

Marc. so the bloody flame sword would take 2APM to activate? or?
(working w/o my WB2 )

no it just means that it counts as two tattoos both for number of tattoos on oneself (towards the 6 limit if not a T-man) and number of tattoos active. IIRC there is a limit as to how many can be active at one time.

Talavar wrote:snip....

, but for blood dripping there's no official ruling. Since the damage remains SDC, I would say it doesn't make it magical enough to hurt vampires, or were-creatures, or any of the other things actually immune to normal damage.

Vamps would be damaged by the bloodly sword sence its magic weapons tatt. Remember that vamps & Werepeople are HP creatures that when hit with a magical sword that does SD, they take the SD to their HP. So the bloody sword would do the same double damage to vamps & werepeople as to other mortals. Yes, this explination can be considered your offical notice becasue I'm just saying what the rules state.

U.S.Advanced Recon wrote:Battle Axe (Palladium Fantasy RPG) 3D6 SDC
Dripping Blood 6D6 SDC
Silver x 2 vs Vampires, Werewolves 12D6 or 1D6X10 +10
Flaming 6D6 MD, or 1D6X10+10 MD vs. creatures vulnerable to silver.
1 Action to activate
counts as two tattoos out of six that can be activated.

Uhhh....no...you can't have a silver magic tattoo and have it work as silver...just a normal weapon, or magic weapon.

U.S.Advanced Recon wrote:so you can't have a silver simlpe weapon???

No. nor iron, bronze, wood, or any other metal in parciular. heck, it's not even really metal, it's just solidified ectoplasem.

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

U.S.Advanced Recon wrote:so you can't have a silver simlpe weapon???

No. nor iron, bronze, wood, or any other metal in parciular. heck, it's not even really metal, it's just solidified ectoplasem.

Not even if you specifically use silver ink in the tat? What a gyp...

U.S.Advanced Recon wrote:Battle Axe (Palladium Fantasy RPG) 3D6 SDC
Dripping Blood 6D6 SDC
Silver x 2 vs Vampires, Werewolves 12D6 or 1D6X10 +10
Flaming 6D6 MD, or 1D6X10+10 MD vs. creatures vulnerable to silver.
1 Action to activate
counts as two tattoos out of six that can be activated.

Making a silver weapon, not against the rules, but either is in the rules. So in the end it is the GM call. Though I think most would say no.

Also it would only be 9D6 damage to creatures vulnerable to silver. X2 means add the base damage to base damage and the same for the second.

3D6+3D6(first X2) + 3D6(sec x2) = 9D6.
So really x2 x2 is x3 not x4. I don't know if I agree with it, but it is the rules.

asajosh wrote:

Nekira Sudacne wrote:

U.S.Advanced Recon wrote:so you can't have a silver simlpe weapon???

No. nor iron, bronze, wood, or any other metal in parciular. heck, it's not even really metal, it's just solidified ectoplasem.

Not even if you specifically use silver ink in the tat? What a gyp...

Nope. Not even then.