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The conversion process from Godling to full fledged god is not described (that I know of) in Pantheons of the Megaverse. Typically, it seems that Gods can select several OCC skills and special abilities. To use your example of Zeus: He's a 20th level Air and Water Warlock, 15th level Ley Line Walker and a 15th level Warrior (pantheons of the Megaverse page 68 ). Of course, he's also an NPC creation, so take it with a grain of salt.

I think in Dragons and Gods (palladium fantasy source book) there is a process for changing from Godling to full God, but it involves establishing yourself as the head of a church, recruiting priests and gathering worshippers (I've only skimmed the description as player character Gods have never factored into any of my games). In any case if you have a godling character who has his eye on the prize of becoming a full god, it should take a long, LONG, L-O-N-G time

There are advanages for a Godling over a dragon. They get to choose three special abilities. One of which is they can have the abilities of one OCC while they are another one. I've used it witha Demigod I ran. He was a Ley Line walker with the abilities of a Temporal Wizard. His father has that ability too. So I figure Odin wouldn't make his son go insane. The Gm agreed, so he doesn't have the insanities normally associated with being a Temporal Wizard. My character is pretty darn powerful spell caster. Of course he ended up becoming very rich in the campaign due to our GM getting a little drink on a "half glass" of cheap (and I do mean cheap and weak) wine. I advised him not to drink the wine.

Godlings don't get an OCC, and that's not new to D-Bees of NA. They get 3 powers from the list, and the skills that follow. Demigods get one power and an OCC.

Depending on what combination of powers your godling char chose, it's certainly possible to have a more powerful dragon hatchling char. It's also possible, depending on power choice and OCC choice for a demigod to be more powerful than a godling. A godling that chooses powers purely for in game power will probably be stronger than either a dragon hatchling or a demigod however.

That is probably true since I waas going by memory. Although they do get special abilities which allow them to simulate occs.

Of course I'm at work with no reference material at all! Which does stink. I'm more than likely wrong about this.

walross1978 wrote:In our game we have both Godling and a Hatchling dragon and we are finding that a hatchling dragon is far more powerful than a Godling. I always thought that a Godling would be a little stronger than a Hatchling dragon was wondering if you guys found to be the case.

It kind of depends. If you mean in terms of raw physical stats then yes Dragon Hatchlings are more powerful. Godlings can be much better magically/psionically though.

Do godlings have a maturity age like a dragon or do they just have no limit as to their level?

No limit, eventually they may gain enough worshipers to become a full fledged god.

I guess a God like Zues is like a level 500-1000 character.

actually, he is level 20 warlock, level 15 ley line walker and level 15 Warriror.

Talavar wrote:Godlings don't get an OCC, and that's not new to D-Bees of NA. They get 3 powers from the list, and the skills that follow. Demigods get one power and an OCC.

Does that sound like I'm saying godlings can take an OCC? Because they can't. Cannot. May not. Do not.

walross1978 wrote:sorry talavar I agree with you as I currently treat godlings without an occ as stated in the pantheon of the megaverse, however It seems like there are some people who believe godlings get an occ also. I just wanted to hear the justification for godlings to have an occ.

They get confused with Demigods, which DO get to select an OCC.

Having had both in groups I'd say that they are about equal in over all power level. Though IMO the godling has more RP potential due to his ties to his pantheon and their dealings with other pantheons and the potential for assention to full godhood if the get 10,000 people to worship them.

I've known GMs who loved to do that to their players. It makes a game interesting.

With the rigth power combo the godling is more powerful than a hatchling. The godling even starts with is own rune weapon.

The godlings can be very powerful starting out as started by the previous post!

The Dragon. There is no guarantee that the godling will mature into a god,
while the hatchling will become a creature of great power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uvPXTDKwWM
Dragon for the win!

Whoa Whoa Whoa...an RCC race...like Godling may never ever ever choose an OCC? even after they've attained levels in their own RCC? so even if they became a level 5 Godling, they couldn't use the multi-class (I know theres no such thing or whatever don't remind me...I'm refering to the rules in High Seas) rules and switch to a Ley Line Walker?

A dragon for example is an RCC but you see various RCC dragon NPC's in rifters and "official" material that are LLW, Temporal Mages, Warriors, etc thats listed under their Experiance level. Soooo, how does it makes sense that no RCC is allowed to pick an OCC ever?

I understand that a being like a Godling or a Dragon might not need to switch to an OCC because they would rather rely on their own innate and natural abilities...but that shouldn't mean that they are incapable of taking an OCC...after all, OCC is simply a job that you learn or someone teaches you...saying that no RCC is allowed to take an OCC at all ever is like saying...hey, you may be a divine entity of some kind, but your incapable of learning anything at all.

Ahulane wrote:Whoa Whoa Whoa...an RCC race...like Godling may never ever ever choose an OCC? even after they've attained levels in their own RCC? so even if they became a level 5 Godling, they couldn't use the multi-class (I know theres no such thing or whatever don't remind me...I'm refering to the rules in High Seas) rules and switch to a Ley Line Walker?

A dragon for example is an RCC but you see various RCC dragon NPC's in rifters and "official" material that are LLW, Temporal Mages, Warriors, etc thats listed under their Experiance level. Soooo, how does it makes sense that no RCC is allowed to pick an OCC ever?

I understand that a being like a Godling or a Dragon might not need to switch to an OCC because they would rather rely on their own innate and natural abilities...but that shouldn't mean that they are incapable of taking an OCC...after all, OCC is simply a job that you learn or someone teaches you...saying that no RCC is allowed to take an OCC at all ever is like saying...hey, you may be a divine entity of some kind, but your incapable of learning anything at all.

Correct, by the rules an RCC cannot take OCC's ever. Logically? there is no logic, it's a balance rule only.

Chemisty wrote:On the other hand, as his special powers the godling could have the powers of 2 magic classes simultaneously, or mind-melter-level psionics.

The only advantage a hatchling could possibly have is more MDC. Godlings are in general better.

Or?

a Godling can have 2 magic classes AND mind melter level psionics.

Semisonic9 wrote:I've always preffered Demi-gods to Godlings, mainly for the RCC issue. Some variance there would be good.

As it is, you can get pretty munchy with Demi-Gods.

For instance:
Gunslinger OCC, Techno-Wizard powers (and a few skills)
Cyber-Knight OCC, LLW or LLR powers
Mind Melter OCC, Shifter Powers (aka "the Dominator!")
Shifter OCC with Ludicrous Mage powers

~Semi

How can you have innate techno wizard powers? You wouldn't have the skills needed to make anything, but you'd what - be able to cast spells at 1/2 strength, range & duration?

As to RCCs not getting an OCC, while it is generally a balance issue, it does make a kind of sense. Dragons, for instance, might be listed as being 10th level LLW and 10th level warlock, but they don't generally have all those skills that those 2 OCCs would get. Dragon hatchlings can start learning magic at 3rd level, but they only get the spell casting.

Though it's not explicitly stated in the books, I would see gods as a similar situation.

walross1978 wrote:Can Godlings pick up any spell and learn it like a dragon? Or do the Godling just learn the spells like a mystic where at each level they learn all the spell of that level for the school of magic picked?

Both.

In theory the dragon could also become a god wether they are an adult or a hatchling. I think the dragon is more powerful - they can also write a nice background if they like that would ensnare them in RP with a pantheon..or anything else.

From an RP perspective in RIFTS- anyone with enough worshippers can become a god. Which means a town of 10,000+ people could have a single defender - who is a god. Now that could be a fun town to encounter! Additional thought, call it Ficklegod town: if you manage to kill their god in single combat then you become their new god...thus anyone actually killing the god has reason to protect the town (to maintain their god powers). To protect their god this fact would not be known outside the town.

Another stray thought..Tolkeen is made up of city states..So the CS could encounter 1+ of these..how many towns in tolkeen have a population of 10,000+? Then again as the god is question you don't want your city dying. The god is more likly to put his town into an astral realm (or move it anywhere/when safe) to save everyone and keep all his worshippers alive & healthy.

I just have to mention: (max stat) Hatchling Dragon wouldn't stand much of a chance vs (a good rolled)/(best rolled could take out a dozen or more without trouble...it was done in our campaign ) Godling from PU2.

That brings a whole new dimension to the game.

I allowed a player to have a Godling that had an OCC in one of my games. he did not get any of the Godling RCC skills, only the natural abilities. I allowed it because of the premise that he came up with and worked on with me: his character had no idea that he was a godling. He was found as a toddler and raised in a community that was near Lazlo so they were used to seeing people develop strange abilities and such. He found that he had a natural affinity for magic, could fly and was also very strong. He used these abilities and became a Bounty Hunter (see Mercenaries).

I got to have total control over who his parent deities were and who might be after him because of it. It was cool.

walross1978 wrote:sorry talavar I agree with you as I currently treat godlings without an occ as stated in the pantheon of the megaverse, however It seems like there are some people who believe godlings get an occ also. I just wanted to hear the justification for godlings to have an occ.

Think this goes back to the old main book saying select a R.C.C. and O.C.C.. Over time R.C.C. changed into Classes adding ability and more skills.

Personally I think you can just keep the natural abilities and drop the skills for the O.C.C. skills. Though you should come up with a background why like devjannz said.

Though I do know the rules say you can't.
Question: Is a Godling an O.C.C. or an R.C.C. and what book has the format for creating one? Also can they change O.C.C.or to an O.C.C. if Godling is an R.C.C. like changing to a Cosmo Knight?
Answer: It's a RCC, found in the Pantheons of the Megaverse book. They can't change around OCC/RCC.
The demigod, found in same book, can select a OCC though.

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