New Forum - The Rifter® Zero.x.x Project

Unread post by **NMI** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:56 pm

New Forum now for The Rifter® Zero.x.x Project

Seeing that Matthew/ Prince Artemis is going forward with Rifter 0.1, and that it is a semi-official Palladium project, I figured a dedicated forum for the Rifter Zero project would be a great idea. Well here it is.

Peace.

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dragon_blaze_99 · Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:58 pm

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:New Forum now for The Rifter® Zero.x.x Project

Seeing that Dave/ Prince Artemis is going forward with Rifter 0.1, and that it is a semi-official Palladium project, I figured a dedicated forum for the Rifter Zero project would be a great idea. Well here it is.

Peace.

This message should exist as an announcement for 30 days from creation.

who's Dave don't you mean Matt

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:16 pm

dragon_blaze_99 wrote:
Mr. Deific NMI wrote:New Forum now for The Rifter® Zero.x.x Project

Seeing that Dave/ Prince Artemis is going forward with Rifter 0.1, and that it is a semi-official Palladium project, I figured a dedicated forum for the Rifter Zero project would be a great idea. Well here it is.

Peace.

This message should exist as an announcement for 30 days from creation.

who's Dave don't you mean Matt

Dave's not here, man...

Subjugator · Unread post by **Subjugator** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:47 pm

Mr. Deific NMI wrote:New Forum now for The Rifter® Zero.x.x Project

Seeing that Matthew/ Prince Artemis is going forward with Rifter 0.1, and that it is a semi-official Palladium project, I figured a dedicated forum for the Rifter Zero project would be a great idea. Well here it is.

Peace.

This message should exist as an announcement for 30 days from creation.

This is most excellent. The first in the Palladium PDF product lines then.

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AlanGunhouse · Unread post by **AlanGunhouse** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:32 pm

Hummm, how do you submit things for 0 issue rifters?

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:44 pm

Fill out an unsolicited manuscript submission form and send it in along with your material.

Prince Artemis · Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:58 am

AlanGunhouse wrote:Hummm, how do you submit things for 0 issue rifters?

email your submission to rifter0@gmail.com, then when i get it, I'll send you my mailing address for you to send the unsolicited manuscript form.

Killer Cyborg · Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:13 am

So... what happens when 10 of these things come out?

Unread post by **NMI** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:11 am

Killer Cyborg wrote:So... what happens when 10 of these things come out?

Rifter 0.1
Rifter 0.2
Rifter 0.3
Rifter 0.4
Rifter 0.5
Rifter 0.6
Rifter 0.7
Rifter 0.8
Rifter 0.9
Perhaps ---
Rifter 0.1.a
Rifter 0.2.a
Rifter 0.3.a
Rifter 0.4.a
Rifter 0.5.a
Rifter 0.6.a
Rifter 0.7.a
Rifter 0.8.a
Rifter 0.9.a
etc....????

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 8:32 am

Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

Tiree · Unread post by **Tiree** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:38 pm

Or 0.1.1(first issue first year)
0.1.2(Second issue first year)
0.1.3(Third issue first year)
0.1.4(Fourth issue first year)
0.2.1(1st issue Second year)
0.2.2
0.2.3
0.2.4
... etc....

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:53 pm

Tiree wrote:Or 0.1.1(first issue first year)
0.1.2(Second issue first year)
0.1.3(Third issue first year)
0.1.4(Fourth issue first year)
0.2.1(1st issue Second year)
0.2.2
0.2.3
0.2.4
... etc....

Except we kinda blew that with the first issue.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:41 pm

Misfit KotLD wrote:Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

3.14 should have a bunch of pie recipes from the megaverse.

Prince Artemis · Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:25 pm

Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writting.

Killer Cyborg · Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:27 pm

Misfit KotLD wrote:Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

But would Rifter .1 be the same as Rifter .10?

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Sat Jun 28, 2008 7:35 pm

Killer Cyborg wrote:
Misfit KotLD wrote:Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

But would Rifter .1 be the same as Rifter .10?

Only for those with Mathematics: Advanced.

Tiree · Unread post by **Tiree** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 12:26 pm

Misfit KotLD wrote:
Tiree wrote:Or 0.1.1(first issue first year)
0.1.2(Second issue first year)
0.1.3(Third issue first year)
0.1.4(Fourth issue first year)
0.2.1(1st issue Second year)
0.2.2
0.2.3
0.2.4
... etc....

Except we kinda blew that with the first issue.

I don't think so, as the first issue would be the beta test version.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:00 pm

Misfit KotLD wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:
Misfit KotLD wrote:Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

But would Rifter .1 be the same as Rifter .10?

Only for those with Mathematics: Advanced.

In versioning systems 1.1 isn't the same as 1.10.

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 3:41 pm

Natasha wrote:
Misfit KotLD wrote:
Killer Cyborg wrote:
Misfit KotLD wrote:Or
.1
.2
.3
.4
.4
.6
.7
.8
.9
.10
.11
.12
.13
Etc.

But would Rifter .1 be the same as Rifter .10?

Only for those with Mathematics: Advanced.
In versioning systems 1.1 isn't the same as 1.10.

They failed their Advanced Mathematics roll as well.

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:37 pm

Actually, in scientific terms, it also relates a higher degree of accuracy...

i.e. 0.1 can range from 0.06 to 0.14, where as 0.10 ranges from 0.096 to 0.104

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 2:35 pm

I don't know why it wasn't "e-Rifter 1" or something to indicate it's electronic version.
It's not really being versioned after all.

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Mon Jun 30, 2008 3:15 pm

Tyciol wrote:After .9 why not go to .01 .02...? Or if no one is adverse to making ones in between the established rifters, 1.1, 1.2?

What's the purpose of doing new ones as decimal points instead of adding more to the numbers?

The fact that there is no number above one indicates it's part of the digital line of Rifters?

Xar · Unread post by **Xar** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:15 am

Well, that would just be too easy.

I like the subscripts better.

Killer Cyborg · Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:17 am

Novastar wrote:Actually, in scientific terms, it also relates a higher degree of accuracy...

i.e. 0.1 can range from 0.06 to 0.14, where as 0.10 ranges from 0.096 to 0.104

You're just talkin' crazy.

Killer Cyborg · Tue Jul 01, 2008 1:20 am

Thom wrote:Personally I'd prefer continuing with the whole Rifter 0 concept. The next one could be Rifter 00, then 000, etc. Or if that takes up too much room, use a superscript or a subscript, the first is Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sup]2[/sup], then 0[sup]3[/sup], etc, or Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub], 0[sub]3[/sub], etc. (I just don't like 0 indexing, and having a 1, even a 0.1, to indicate the second issue just makes it seem way too nerdy).

Best suggestions I've seen, especially since there might not be any more.

Ending at 0.2 seems odd, like a failure of a larger pattern, but ending at 00 or 0[sup]2[/sup] seems like it wasn't meant to go much farther.

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Tue Jul 01, 2008 7:41 am

Thom wrote:Personally I'd prefer continuing with the whole Rifter 0 concept. The next one could be Rifter 00, then 000, etc. Or if that takes up too much room, use a superscript or a subscript, the first is Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sup]2[/sup], then 0[sup]3[/sup], etc, or Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub], 0[sub]3[/sub], etc. (I just don't like 0 indexing, and having a 1, even a 0.1, to indicate the second issue just makes it seem way too nerdy).

Have you seen us?

glitterboy2098 · Wed Jul 02, 2008 5:12 pm

Misfit KotLD wrote:
Thom wrote:Personally I'd prefer continuing with the whole Rifter 0 concept. The next one could be Rifter 00, then 000, etc. Or if that takes up too much room, use a superscript or a subscript, the first is Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sup]2[/sup], then 0[sup]3[/sup], etc, or Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub], 0[sub]3[/sub], etc. (I just don't like 0 indexing, and having a 1, even a 0.1, to indicate the second issue just makes it seem way too nerdy).

Have you seen us?

i like the Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub] approach. Rifter 0[sup]2[/sup] has mathmatical connotations that might be a bit odd. (zero times itself? multiplying by zero is impossible, and zero times anything is nothing..)

whereas Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub] gets chemical connotations, as in "two atoms of [element]"

Slag · Unread post by **Slag** » Wed Jul 02, 2008 7:10 pm

Rifter 0+0

Brian Manning · Sat Jul 05, 2008 1:03 pm

Natasha wrote:
3.14 should have a bunch of pie recipes from the megaverse.

Awesome. Or have it just print all the digits of pi. What font size would you need for that? 0.1? 0.10?

I like Thom's idea. Didn't Square-Enix do that with Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X2? Just do a Rifter Zero 2.

Natasha · Unread post by **Natasha** » Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:12 am

Jaguar Wong wrote:
Natasha wrote:
3.14 should have a bunch of pie recipes from the megaverse.

Awesome. Or have it just print all the digits of pi. What font size would you need for that? 0.1? 0.10?

Hehe

I guess that 3.14 font size might be too big

Rifter Zero Two/Three/... has a nice ring to it.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:11 am

Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writting.

What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beutiful creation.

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 10:30 am

Zenvis wrote:
Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writting.
What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beutiful creation.

I agree, but I imagine it's also quite time-consuming, as well.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:25 pm

Novastar wrote:
Zenvis wrote:
Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writing.
What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beautiful creation.

I agree, but I imagine it's also quite time-consuming, as well.

Yes but with the proper volunteer team, being that the first online Rifter was done by one person, well, we could get something going and gain the experience that Palladium deserves. I really believe that those that enjoy the product as most all of us do could figure out something.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:27 pm

Thom wrote:Personally I'd prefer continuing with the whole Rifter 0 concept. The next one could be Rifter 00, then 000, etc. Or if that takes up too much room, use a superscript or a subscript, the first is Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sup]2[/sup], then 0[sup]3[/sup], etc, or Rifter 0, then Rifter 0[sub]2[/sub], 0[sub]3[/sub], etc. (I just don't like 0 indexing, and having a 1, even a 0.1, to indicate the second issue just makes it seem way too nerdy).

I love the idea of a superscript/subscript. That would allow for the online Rifter (eRifter) to carry on with a bunch of Rifters without taking away from the term Rifter #0.

Novastar · Unread post by **Novastar** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:10 am

Zenvis wrote:
Novastar wrote:
Zenvis wrote:
Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writing.
What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beautiful creation.

I agree, but I imagine it's also quite time-consuming, as well.
Yes but with the proper volunteer team, being that the first online Rifter was done by one person, well, we could get something going and gain the experience that Palladium deserves. I really believe that those that enjoy the product as most all of us do could figure out something.

I'll admit, I'm willing to do some Editting (I seem to have a knack for it).

Prince Artemis · Wed Jul 09, 2008 11:34 am

Thom wrote:
Zenvis wrote:
Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writting.
What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beutiful creation.

I'm sorry I missed Artemis' comment. Don't drop it! Find the time. Folks will remember you for it, but mainly and especially if you keep your hand in it. If you don't have enough time, delegate. Make it a spare time project if you must, or better yet take on the "executive" producer" power, just don't let it pass.

It's mostly a wait and see type of thing at this point. I won't be doing more than one a year regardless. Even though we have a system in place this time it'll still take a while. It usually takes 2 months just to get the submissions, let alone their forms. Then I gotta read everything to see if it works, send it to palladium with the forms. They do a quality control check and tell me what I can't use. Then I have to edit each piece, then put them into the magazine itself, then adjust sizes and format to make it fit. At some point I start getting some art as well which needs to be added to fill space and make it not look dull. Then I get it formated, do up table of contents, my opening letter, my own submissions (I usually wait to see why I get before doing my own stuff) and then send a rough to palladium for them to check over. They then start sending out the contracts and if there are corrections needed they send me the list, I make the changes, send them the new copy and then go through the version again with them over the phone to make sure it works, and make changes as needed.

Yeah, it can be time consuming...

If I end up in a job with high turn out for articles and that, I may not be able to keep it going. However, like the show I will try and do it until it basically becomes impossible to do.

Misfit KotLD · Unread post by **Misfit KotLD** » Wed Jul 09, 2008 3:29 pm

Novastar wrote:
Zenvis wrote:
Novastar wrote:
Zenvis wrote:
Prince Artemis wrote:Truthfully, unless someone else does it, this will likely be the last one from me. The only reason I'm doing this one is I'm still unemployed, but I'll likely have a job by the time this one is done and I don't think I can handle doing this, my work, and my own writing.
What!! You got to be kidding. This is a beautiful creation.

I agree, but I imagine it's also quite time-consuming, as well.
Yes but with the proper volunteer team, being that the first online Rifter was done by one person, well, we could get something going and gain the experience that Palladium deserves. I really believe that those that enjoy the product as most all of us do could figure out something.

I'll admit, I'm willing to do some Editting (I seem to have a knack for it).

My place of employment seems to think I can edit since they allow me to tutor English...

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 2:55 pm

Novastar wrote:I'll admit, I'm willing to do some Editting (I seem to have a knack for it).

I have some time to proof read some of the material. Though I have no real skills in editing (except in my own stuff) I would be willing to help in any way possible.

Steve Dubya · Unread post by **Steve Dubya** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:39 pm

Wasn't TheRifter.com supposed to be something along the lines that Rifter 0 is?

Prince Artemis · Wed Jul 16, 2008 12:47 pm

Steve President George W. Bush wrote:Wasn't TheRifter.com supposed to be something along the lines that Rifter 0 is?

Yes/No

It was an area that people could submit there own stuff but they wouldn't be edited together in an actual organized book with art.

Zenvis · Unread post by **Zenvis** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:35 pm

Prince Artemis wrote:
Steve President George W. Bush wrote:Wasn't TheRifter.com supposed to be something along the lines that Rifter 0 is?

Yes/No

It was an area that people could submit there own stuff but they wouldn't be edited together in an actual organized book with art.

So its a mass Rifter for those that like to have their stuff in a "Rifter"