I need peoples thoughts on Cyber and Mystic Knights
Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 12:52 pm
Give me a list of Rules questions you have had for either class.
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killgore wrote:Zerebus wrote:What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen Cyber-Knight Swallow R.C.C.?
Is there a difference in speed of an African or European Cyber-Knight Swallow?
RockJock wrote:The biggest question that always comes up with my group is how do you deal with CKs from races with natural psychics. It is mentioned in the later CK versions, but doesn't always match up to NPCS that are in writing.
We have never really had issues with Mystic Knights, but I usually play them as an evil force. We just haven't had the White Rose pop up as more then rumor.
Mark Hall wrote:Actually, csbiogorg's question raised one in my mind: How does their anti-tech combat interact with techno-wizardry?
Rogue_Scientist wrote:Yeah, anything more advanced than a bow and arrow can be affected, if I recall correctly.
And it is techno-wizardry. Normal magic and psionics doesn't apply, nor do rune weapons and such, but the TW stuff crosses the line.
My only question/concern has to do with cyber armor. In the original book (which I don't have, and thus can't look up), I'm pretty sure everyone could get cyber armor. It was listed in the section on cybernetics and bionics. It didn't grow or self-regenerate, but it was available. In RUE, that has been omitted. Additionally, the availability of the cyber armor that CKs get seems sketchy at best. Their training and orientation is too spread out for it to be common if it was only available from 1-2 sources. And if it was more commonly available, why hasn't it been copied and duplicated by those with the motive and means to do so? For example, I could easily see the Knights of the White Rose going for a little extra protection from their TWs. It just seems inconsistant.
Also, I think it was a mistake to wave Dues Ex Machina at this one. I'd have rather seen it implemented as some technology-based armor, with the ability to grow stronger over time and (perhaps a more limited) ability regenerate explained by a combination of "memory metal" and nano machines similiar to the RMSS medical kits. A version like that would be a very realistic and useful application for SDC humans in combat/police occupations, similar to how cops today wear bullet proof vests and carry back-up weapons. Ya never know. (And, similarly, not everyone would choose to bother with the trade-offs of such extra protection.)
Also, given that cyber armor (the CK version) is a living armor after level 3, how would you interpret the spell Lifeward to work on it?
Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
The Galactus Kid wrote:True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't.
rat_bastard wrote:Give me a list of Rules questions you have had for either class.
The Galactus Kid wrote:dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't. While some disagreed with the Order of the Mystic Knights and their evil tactics, others just thought that siding with the knights of the White Rose would be more profitable, or were running from something, etc. As dark brandon said, the white rose is an organization, and not all of them follow the same strict code of ethics as some of the others. Miscreant and Aberrant alignments would probably be most common.
csbioborg wrote:The Galactus Kid wrote:dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't. While some disagreed with the Order of the Mystic Knights and their evil tactics, others just thought that siding with the knights of the White Rose would be more profitable, or were running from something, etc. As dark brandon said, the white rose is an organization, and not all of them follow the same strict code of ethics as some of the others. Miscreant and Aberrant alignments would probably be most common.
Its been a bit since I read madhaven but I swear that good alignment was a requsite for the OCC since they psckicly read you to make sure. Then you did write it
The Galactus Kid wrote:
I believe that it is primarily good and selfish alignments. Evil alignments are not welcomed with open arms, but its really hard to tell when someone is borderline selfish and evil.
The Galactus Kid wrote:dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't. While some disagreed with the Order of the Mystic Knights and their evil tactics, others just thought that siding with the knights of the White Rose would be more profitable, or were running from something, etc. As dark brandon said, the white rose is an organization, and not all of them follow the same strict code of ethics as some of the others. Miscreant and Aberrant alignments would probably be most common.
Balabanto wrote:The Galactus Kid wrote:dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't. While some disagreed with the Order of the Mystic Knights and their evil tactics, others just thought that siding with the knights of the White Rose would be more profitable, or were running from something, etc. As dark brandon said, the white rose is an organization, and not all of them follow the same strict code of ethics as some of the others. Miscreant and Aberrant alignments would probably be most common.
Text as written says that the order makes sure there are no evil members for KOWR
Balabanto wrote:The Galactus Kid wrote:dark brandon wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:TechnoGothic wrote:I use Cyber-knight as per RUE/SoT4...
As for Mystic Knights...
Good Aligment = Mystic Knight
Evil Aligment = Death Knight
Selfish go either way...
Huh? Aren't good knights the knights of the white rose and the evil guys mystic knights?
Not really.
You can be a good mystic knight and not be a member of the white rose, and nothing says a white rose MK has to be good. WR is an organization.
True. While many of the Knights of the White Rose are good, there are some (more than you would think) that aren't. While some disagreed with the Order of the Mystic Knights and their evil tactics, others just thought that siding with the knights of the White Rose would be more profitable, or were running from something, etc. As dark brandon said, the white rose is an organization, and not all of them follow the same strict code of ethics as some of the others. Miscreant and Aberrant alignments would probably be most common.
Text as written says that the order makes sure there are no evil members for KOWR
Burulovesyou wrote:dark brandon wrote:I'd like to know if MK energy resistance powers confir to their armor in writing.
Or hell, impervious to energy in general!
Temporalmage wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:dark brandon wrote:I'd like to know if MK energy resistance powers confir to their armor in writing.
Or hell, impervious to energy in general!
Niether applies to armor. For a full referance refer to the topic being discussed in the Psionic & Magic forum.
Burulovesyou wrote:Still would like to see it in writing, if only to end the debate for good
I believe he means in canon.Temporalmage wrote:You should keep checking on the Psionics and Magic forum.Burulovesyou wrote:Still would like to see it in writing, if only to end the debate for good
Burulovesyou wrote:Misfit KotLD wrote:I believe he means in canon.Temporalmage wrote:You should keep checking on the Psionics and Magic forum.Burulovesyou wrote:Still would like to see it in writing, if only to end the debate for good
Yeah... Thought that was apparent but ah well. Still would like to see it in writing in the BOOKS. Better? No amount of arguing from players is going to end a debate for good
runebeo wrote:With the Cyber-Knight's psi-sword being so much weaker than a true psi-sword wouldn't make sense for them to seek out Amaki TW Psi-Blade? Couldn't a techno-wizard be able to reproduce a few copies for theses famed champions? I can't see them making any game unbalanced since there's a laser sword in one of the newer books that deal 5D6 M.D. add in the +1D6 from fencing for 6D6. I still rather use a rifle to blast from a good distance, but there should be some advantages for the risk of getting so near the enemy other than saving money on E-Clips.
RockJock wrote:The biggest question that always comes up with my group is how do you deal with CKs from races with natural psychics. It is mentioned in the later CK versions, but doesn't always match up to NPCS that are in writing.
We have never really had issues with Mystic Knights, but I usually play them as an evil force. We just haven't had the White Rose pop up as more then rumor.
dark brandon wrote:I'd like to know if MK energy resistance powers confir to their armor in writing.
Rogue_Scientist wrote:Also, given that cyber armor (the CK version) is a living armor after level 3, how would you interpret the spell Lifeward to work on it?
Burulovesyou wrote:I'd like to know if cyber-knights with more than two arms, such as rahu-men (etc.), would be able to create more than two psi-weapons eventually. I've heard arguments for it, cannon suggests otherwise in that it only states two but it also doesn't take into account strange races for a few things, such as the cyber armor.
rat_bastard wrote:Burulovesyou wrote:I'd like to know if cyber-knights with more than two arms, such as rahu-men (etc.), would be able to create more than two psi-weapons eventually. I've heard arguments for it, cannon suggests otherwise in that it only states two but it also doesn't take into account strange races for a few things, such as the cyber armor.
Since I can only think of one multiple armed critter that can have psionics (no Snelling cyber knight for me) this one may be answerable, it may result in four diminished psi-swords though.
rat_bastard wrote:runebeo wrote:With the Cyber-Knight's psi-sword being so much weaker than a true psi-sword wouldn't make sense for them to seek out Amaki TW Psi-Blade? Couldn't a techno-wizard be able to reproduce a few copies for theses famed champions? I can't see them making any game unbalanced since there's a laser sword in one of the newer books that deal 5D6 M.D. add in the +1D6 from fencing for 6D6. I still rather use a rifle to blast from a good distance, but there should be some advantages for the risk of getting so near the enemy other than saving money on E-Clips.
On the Amaki psi-blade issue:
sure, if a Cyber knight can get his hand on one or two he's gonna brag to his other cyber knight pals and they are all gonna want one. However its not as easy you would think. The Amaki Psi-tech is not a techno wizard, he's close but he is not a techno wizard, and while his abilities work as an interesting counterpoint they are pretty much exclusive to a small part of south america.
that said, you can get a TW to bang something out with the Power Weapon spell, and I do plan on including that in a listing of Cyber knight equipment.
I may have missed it, but explain how it's getting from the tip of South America to North America, please.Balabanto wrote:It does not matter what the Amaki is.
This is a TW item. The text says so.
Misfit KotLD wrote:It's not the damage, it's the fact that the item comes from across the globe.
Zerebus wrote:There are two Cyber-Knight variations in the Arzno worldbook that pique my interest.
1. There's a Rahu-Man Cyber-Knight in Arzno and the aforementioned R.C.C. does allow the class so there's nothing overtly strange about it. In addition, the Arzno character seems to be a good reference for Cyber-Armor on four armed giants. However, we currently lack generalized rules for Cyber-Armor on non-standard bodies (giant, tiny, more than two arms, arms with extra length or joints, tentacles, extra legs, centaur style bodies, wings, etc).
2. There's a Native American Cyber-Knight in Arzno who rejects all the tech-using aspects of the class, but not the Zen anti-tech combat skill. A low-tech version of the Cyber-Knight class would be nice to see.