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Khanibal wrote:I don't see anything in the description of Energy sphere that prohibits a mage from having two or more active at the same time. Since a mage can draw P.P.E. from a cooperative person within 20', that's conservatively 300 people in a circle around him. Average P.P.E. of the average person is 2D6 (7). That's a pool of 2100 P.P.E. from which the mage can draw 70% or 1470 points. At sixth level, the wizard can cast Energy Sphere twice (120 points each time for 240) and then channel 600 points into each sphere (1200). This will expend 1440 points, leaving 30 left over for a nice firework illusion, or other display of gratitude.
It shouldn't be too hard to convince some townsfolk to share some energy with you after saving their village. It should be even easier to get them to donate to help you defend their village.

pintocat wrote:You know at some point it just becomes "why bother even tracking your PPE?"

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:I have a mage that has 5 or 6 of a ES variant, the char is always toping off the spheres so when it needs the PPE the char has it.
the char has like 6k worth of PPE at it's fingertips for use.


Why even bother telling them you are siphoning off PPE. they can't know you are doing it unless there is another mage there to tell them.

pintocat wrote:You know at some point it just becomes "why bother even tracking your PPE?"

yep.... that is about what I don't do for the above char.

The rate for drawing PPE from LL and LLN is not counted "per melee" now, not "per hour".
So unless the LL or LLN is out in the boonies somewhere, its easier to draw off of the LL &LLN then off people. Unless your mage is lazy enough to see taking a hike is more troublesome then taking them from ppl about them.

You only need a few sec to store the PPE in a ES.

If you use a variant of the ES spell that doesn't make "Basket Ball" Sized sphere, then you could get away with acting as earrings, hair ornaments, etc....

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

killgore wrote:So rift yourself (or have a shifter rift you) to the BtS 1st edition world, where you got 5 per level per melee round IIRC. More at nexuses and high magic times.

Seriously, there is nothing in the spell that prevents you from having more then one, nor from giving it to someone else (or getting one from someone else). The only 2 limitations are duration, but you can recast the spell and put all the PPE from the about to expire globe into the new one, and that you are one VERY visible target. When a sniper is looking for who to kill first; TAG! YOU! ARE! IT! This assumes you’re stupid enough to go into combat with it up of course.

killgore wrote:

Khanibal wrote:A globe of blue energy, similar to that found on a Ley Line.

That means you have a glowing blue bulls eye hanging next to you that everyone except the Altara can see.
On the plus side, you don't need a night light.

killgore wrote:It does say Energy in the description. I suppose if you allowed them to "see" laser bolts or other types of energy, then yes they would, but if the could "see" energy, wouldn't they be able to "see" light as well?
That would mean they either had normal vision, except 360 degrees, or when ever they where out during the day, they get a lot of interference or "snow" on their radar.
I’m thinking they could no more “see” the globe then they could a magic light IMHO.

Khanibal wrote:

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

Cool. Can I get a book reference and pg. # on that?
Because I've read the BoM and the FoM versions of the spell, and I don't see the restriction there.

Mark Hall wrote:

killgore wrote:It does say Energy in the description. I suppose if you allowed them to "see" laser bolts or other types of energy, then yes they would, but if the could "see" energy, wouldn't they be able to "see" light as well?
That would mean they either had normal vision, except 360 degrees, or when ever they where out during the day, they get a lot of interference or "snow" on their radar.
I’m thinking they could no more “see” the globe then they could a magic light IMHO.

The thing is, light and lasers don't usually hang out in one place. They keep moving. This is more akin to a stable magnetic field.

Burulovesyou wrote:Because all towns and cities know what a little(relatively [basketball sized]) glowing ball is?

Mark Hall wrote:Hmmm... interesting tangent: Would an Altara be able to see a Energy Sphere? Would the energy cause enough of a disruption that it would be visible on their "radar"?

Khanibal wrote:
If she has Sense Magic up, then absolutely. Also just about every magic using O.C.C. can "sense ley line energy", I'd rule that a couple hundred floating P.P.E. would definately trigger get their attention.

Mark Hall wrote:Hmmm... interesting tangent: Would an Altara be able to see a Energy Sphere? Would the energy cause enough of a disruption that it would be visible on their "radar"?

Rogue_Scientist wrote:

"Because the munchkins have found a hole big enough to drive a truck through, and it requires a non-canon GM veto to correct."

Brevity is important, dude. Bring us home a little earlier next time, eh?

Talavar wrote:I would say yes to an Altara being able to perceive an energy sphere because it apparently has some physicality to it as well - it has an MDC value, and though impervious to most attacks (what types of attacks damage that MDC the spell description does not say), it can be destroyed.

killgore wrote:Nor does it say it can be detected by radar detectors, however, while it says they can detect the general shape of animals, the 3 very specific things that they can get the location of does not include animals.

killgore wrote:While all of this is accurate, it's important to note that the power was based on a super power from HU, which most defiantly does not follow logic or physics.

killgore:][quote="Mark Hall wrote:If one assumes that magic energy distorts radio waves (as is a common house rule, and post-facto reasoning on radio ranges),
....Snip....
So, if one has it that radio is distorted by ley lines, it is not unreasonable that an Energy Sphere can be seen by BWW. Likewise, however, there's no reason to assume that it can, absent such a world fact.

killgore wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:I tend to like the explanation that ley lines interfere with radio. It further balkanizes the world by making communication difficult, and it fits in with my view of how PPE interacts with the world.

And it would give techies invading magic based societies some serious headaches when they where unable to communicate with the guy 100 ft away without waving their arms and shouting.

Just out of curiosity, how much magic in the world before this became a factor, and how much of a factor?

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

Flint wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

killgore wrote:It does say Energy in the description. I suppose if you allowed them to "see" laser bolts or other types of energy, then yes they would, but if the could "see" energy, wouldn't they be able to "see" light as well?
That would mean they either had normal vision, except 360 degrees, or when ever they where out during the day, they get a lot of interference or "snow" on their radar.
I’m thinking they could no more “see” the globe then they could a magic light IMHO.

The thing is, light and lasers don't usually hang out in one place. They keep moving. This is more akin to a stable magnetic field.

So we are saying that magic equates to a magnetic field? Or maybe we should just go with it's magic, if you can see then you could see the spheres if normal light would not allow you. If you can't, then....

Grandil wrote:So Sorry guys, Here I go again, Munchie to the extreme.... I allow 1/lvl=ES, but also I think in
the Description it says something like it absorbs ambient P.P.E from the environment... Also,
what about a Vajra in the mix...... This adds a whole new dimension to it. Here's another
question-Can an ES hold Chi? Doubtful........Mark, here another querie-can a Psi-stalker siphon?
what would it taste like-LL Energy? Or sweet?

I've made those for rifts.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Grandil wrote:So Sorry guys, Here I go again, Munchie to the extreme.... I allow 1/lvl=ES, but also I think in
the Description it says something like it absorbs ambient P.P.E from the environment... Also,
what about a Vajra in the mix...... This adds a whole new dimension to it. Here's another
question-Can an ES hold Chi? Doubtful........Mark, here another querie-can a Psi-stalker siphon?
what would it taste like-LL Energy? Or sweet?

Nope

I've made those for rifts.

Only in the form of PPE.

The spell description does not forbid anyone from accessing the ES.

Like the being that put it in there, but getting stale, like LL PPE, over time.

Talavar wrote:

Khanibal wrote:I don't see anything in the description of Energy sphere that prohibits a mage from having two or more active at the same time. Since a mage can draw P.P.E. from a cooperative person within 20', that's conservatively 300 people in a circle around him. Average P.P.E. of the average person is 2D6 (7). That's a pool of 2100 P.P.E. from which the mage can draw 70% or 1470 points. At sixth level, the wizard can cast Energy Sphere twice (120 points each time for 240) and then channel 600 points into each sphere (1200). This will expend 1440 points, leaving 30 left over for a nice firework illusion, or other display of gratitude.
It shouldn't be too hard to convince some townsfolk to share some energy with you after saving their village. It should be even easier to get them to donate to help you defend their village.

Why even bother with the townsfolk? Go to a ley line or a nexus and do the same thing for free.

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

Mark Hall wrote:

killgore wrote:

Khanibal wrote:A globe of blue energy, similar to that found on a Ley Line.

That means you have a glowing blue bulls eye hanging next to you that everyone except the Altara can see.
On the plus side, you don't need a night light.

Hmmm... interesting tangent: Would an Altara be able to see a Energy Sphere? Would the energy cause enough of a disruption that it would be visible on their "radar"?

cornholioprime wrote:

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

Your House Rule, and that's fine.

Not any such canon limitation to the Spell.

dracolych wrote:Actually, have to disagree.
1) If you are doing something sufficiently large or doing multiple things, you would need more than one. (Building the war golem things used in Tolkeen, anyone?)

2) My problem with using this as justification is that you are confusing two types of spells. AoI, Life Ward, Fly as the Eagle, Swim as the Fish, Superhuman Strength, etc. are person enchantment. They are not designed to be 'handed to another', they are enhancing something or someone. The ES, on the other hand, is a floating, glowing, magical storage tank. This is more akin to the GoD, Zombie, Mummy and Golem. It is a construct that is there following the caster, just like these. Since there is nothing keeping a person from casting multiple GoD (very useful in extending the range when you are low level), there should be nothing overtly imposed on the use of these ES.

Khanibal wrote: I don't see anything in the description of Energy sphere that prohibits a mage from having two or more active at the same time. Since a mage can draw P.P.E. from a cooperative person within 20', that's conservatively 300 people in a circle around him.

Arion wrote:Our Diabolist/Shifter has come up with a neat idea. As I understand a TW (npc) has made a similiar device after seeing this so he was a tad miffed

He designed a Shape Wood spell and uses it along with his sculpting and carpentry skills to make spheres of 1/2" wood just a bit bigger than a energy sphere with a hole in the shape of what he calls his magic symbol. Inside is a strip of 1/8" wood which he designs to slide inside, covering up the hole.

He then insets both a Invisibility and Permanancy ward on the inside. He makes it looks all nice and pretty with stains and such (he says he has to look at them even though no one else usually does). And follows it with a Steelwood spell.

Next he casts a Fly spell and Animate Object on it. Then he actives the wards, making it an invisible flying sphere of wood that opens and closes as he wishes.

With it open he casts a Energy Sphere spell having it appear INSIDE the wood sphere, he then closes it and casts a Time Capsule spell on it to keep it from needing a recast.

The idea is good, and imagine when needing more PPE, he reaches his hand out and out of thin air appears a blue glowing "magic symbol" from which he pulls energy from, then vanishes.

I love it when the guys come up with stuff like this! I only wish psionics was as flashy

Lenwen wrote:

Arion wrote:Our Diabolist/Shifter has come up with a neat idea. As I understand a TW (npc) has made a similiar device after seeing this so he was a tad miffed

He designed a Shape Wood spell and uses it along with his sculpting and carpentry skills to make spheres of 1/2" wood just a bit bigger than a energy sphere with a hole in the shape of what he calls his magic symbol. Inside is a strip of 1/8" wood which he designs to slide inside, covering up the hole.

He then insets both a Invisibility and Permanancy ward on the inside. He makes it looks all nice and pretty with stains and such (he says he has to look at them even though no one else usually does). And follows it with a Steelwood spell.

Next he casts a Fly spell and Animate Object on it. Then he actives the wards, making it an invisible flying sphere of wood that opens and closes as he wishes.

With it open he casts a Energy Sphere spell having it appear INSIDE the wood sphere, he then closes it and casts a Time Capsule spell on it to keep it from needing a recast.

The idea is good, and imagine when needing more PPE, he reaches his hand out and out of thin air appears a blue glowing "magic symbol" from which he pulls energy from, then vanishes.

I love it when the guys come up with stuff like this! I only wish psionics was as flashy

The principal is a great one. Several things tho..
Multiple spells that do not in fact exsist. And the fact that no matter what the Energy sphere is always above the shoulder, and can not be contained and stored for later.

Unless I am missing something ?

Khanibal wrote:If a PC has infinite PPE available does that give him more spells per round? Do these spells do more damage? Do the spells take less time to cast?
Since not, I guess your objection is limited to not wanting mages to be able to cast spell after spell all day long (after some preparation). Consequently, I assume that you've banned your players from purchasing self-regenerating power packs and e-clip rechargers. In the name of game balance.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Khanibal wrote:

Rogue_Scientist wrote:No! No to multiple "mini-spheres", no to multiple ES spheres.

And people think I'm munchy.

Cool. Can I get a book reference and pg. # on that?
Because I've read the BoM and the FoM versions of the spell, and I don't see the restriction there.

He is ranting and raving.
No, he can't.
Because according to the megaversal spell modification rules in Through the Glass Darkly you can modify spells to be pretty much what you want. Yes, any mods does raise the level of the spell, and PPE cost, you could end up with but to have spheres w/o a size limitation, or that renew themselves from the PPE stored in them, or with a higher PPE storage, the spell will end up better then the cheapy that is from the book. even if it cost more initially to cast.

yes, GMs have to examine what player submitted chars actually can do before giving them the okay.

Khanibal wrote:If a PC has infinite PPE available does that give him more spells per round? Do these spells do more damage? Do the spells take less time to cast?
Since not, I guess your objection is limited to not wanting mages to be able to cast spell after spell all day long (after some preparation). Consequently, I assume that you've banned your players from purchasing self-regenerating power packs and e-clip rechargers. In the name of game balance.

Grandil wrote:

Khanibal wrote:If a PC has infinite PPE available does that give him more spells per round? Do these spells do more damage? Do the spells take less time to cast?
Since not, I guess your objection is limited to not wanting mages to be able to cast spell after spell all day long (after some preparation). Consequently, I assume that you've banned your players from purchasing self-regenerating power packs and e-clip rechargers. In the name of game balance.

Actually, it's the energy that's unlimited, not the time to cast spells. Usually, you can cast 4 spells per round, 1st-9th, 3/10th-12th, 2/13-15, & 1 spell o' legend per melee.