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I like to known What Magic from Rifter do you want to see in Mysteries of Magic?

Other then Mark's stuff, the card mage occ. (not the trickster mage from R9.5 and BoR).
The Ophid's Grasslands' magic and the northern hinterlands' (snow) magic.

Apollyon7 wrote:If they have temporal magic in the book does that make it canon and allowable in the PF world? (assuming the only thing allowed is canon)

Well since at one time there were atleast 10,000 forms of magic in PFRPG, every type of magic is canon. It's just a matter of finding a teacher(unlikely), or rifting someone in.

Mark's material, edited but not rewritten, and in one single book. no bonus stuff from the RIFTER, and not dragged out over 3 volumes. pleeease.

Vidynn wrote:Mark's material, edited but not rewritten, and in one single book. no bonus stuff from the RIFTER, and not dragged out over 3 volumes. pleeease.

amen to that!

krate wrote:

Vidynn wrote:Mark's material, edited but not rewritten, and in one single book. no bonus stuff from the RIFTER, and not dragged out over 3 volumes. pleeease.

amen to that!

Maybe the MoM 1 will be Mark's writing, while MoM 2&3 is the other stuff.

Tinker wrote:I'm kinda hoping for all 1,000 magicks, (including everything they put it in teh rifters). maybe that's why it taking 3 books?

(my 2 cents---if its in a rifter, thats canon enough for me. ifind it hard to believe that from what i read about KS that he'd allow things in teh rifters that he doesn't agree with...that's why he rejects some material, too...its actually a great idea, letting others do the writing for you....and you get first dibs on those freelance writers...ingenious, actually....)

It's 10,000 magics, That's alotta books.

I do remember that different PSI disciplines were counted in the 1k magics. The example I'm thinking of is the crystal psi stuff in "Island at the edge of the world" book.

Mephisto wrote:

Tinker wrote:(really? disaplins?)

Wait, now i am confused. I thought i remembered reading "Time Of A Thousand Magicks." what's this talk of 10,000? Am I the space cadet now?

I'm with you I was always using the notion that it's 1000 Magics

I'm willing to admit i could be wrong. But I thought it was 10,000.

Mephisto wrote:

AzathothXy wrote:

Mephisto wrote:

Tinker wrote:(really? disaplins?)

Wait, now i am confused. I thought i remembered reading "Time Of A Thousand Magics." what's this talk of 10,000? Am I the space cadet now?

I'm with you I was always using the notion that it's 1000 Magics

I'm willing to admit i could be wrong. But I thought it was 10,000.

Maybe you were buzzed on cherry cola and Red Bull and were watching 10,000 Maniacs.

1k=1000
k is short for kilo- which means 1000. a kilogram is 1000 grams. 1 kilometer is 1000 meters.
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Text about the time of a thousand magics is found in the Tristien Chronicles exerts, which inhabit the PF books.

but for you that don't know,
After the defeat of the Old Ones, the PF world went through a time of expanding magic research and development of types of magic. This time, which was to be called 'the time of a thousand magics' came to a close with the end of the elf-dwarf war(s) when roving bands of fanatics went around destroying magic stuff and killing off mages.

The Zealotry destroys writings.

Mark Hall wrote:The Zealotry destroys writings.

All writings or just those on magic?
Its been a while since I read what little is about them.

Or are you hinting that there is more about them in MoM? huuummmm?

AzathothXy wrote:I'm willing to admit i could be wrong. But I thought it was 10,000.

its a thousand - and thats more than they could handle in MoM anyway!

Isn't the book already finalized and just waiting to go to the printer?

Citizen Lazlo wrote:

The Beast wrote:Isn't the book already finalized and just waiting to go to the printer?

... oh my, that was good.

Heh, that was a serious question....

If it's not, I'd like to see the necromancer varriants converted to PFRPG.

1,000 or 10,000, just a failed Math: Basic roll apart. I would love to see Mark's book edited, but as is for the first book. Anything more would just be gravy. In our games we have gone on the basis that any, and all magics from around the Megaverse were at one time, or another available in the PF setting, including variants, and psychics. It still doesn't total a thousand, but adding all the in print book magic classes, and psychic classes gets you a decent number. When you start counting things like the four Warlock colors, the Elemental Fusionist combos, various Magi classes, and invocation specialties as seperate Magics the number jumps greatly. Even stretching it with things like N&SS, or Rifts: China martial arts as "Magics" probably won't get to the full 1k. A looooong time ago I remember somebody on the boards working out a master list.

Tinker wrote:i read about these druids or monks or something before teh Library of Bletherad-so that rules out the Zealotry...?

Scholastic Monks disavow all magic. They're from Old Ones.

For my part, I'm a big enough fan of Mark's work to hope they only have his stuff in there. I'm certain he gave them enough to use. But I certainly wouldn't mind seeing another couple of magical disciplines introduced into the game. I myself find it difficult to come up with new spells that aren't redundant, so it would be really interesting to see what he came up with. (It always is.) Guess we'll all just have to wait till next month, right? (Or the month after that. Or the month after that?)

Well I like Card Magic,Construct animation magic and Song Magic.

The thing is will it have Magic O.C.C,s that have Special abillities but used Common Spells or Spells only for Specific Magic O.C.C,s.

What do you think?

I hope they will have more Magic items like Enchanted Mustical instruments like Harp,Flute and Lutes for example.

Honestly, I'll be happy with whatever they put in there, so long as it's all original material! Here that Kev? ORIGINAL MATERIAL!!!!! I think we've waited long enough to be assured of this one little item.

To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

Hiya

Time of a 1000 Magicks
I always took that to be meant poetically and not literally. I do not care if it is 200, 1000 or 1,000,000 forms or Magick or spells. While I always like to see some new spells and O.C.C.s, I do care much more about background and flair/flavor and good maps.

What I should like to see
I should like to hear more about the dwarven-elven war, the creation of the wolfen, the use of ley lines - i.e., expansions on some stuff in the Library of Bletherad.

How many volumes
I am looking forward to see what Mark wrote. I am fine with any additions by Kev. I think that such collaboration will make for a greater/squared result. I am happy with 3 volumes, too. ... Hel, I have waited long for another PFRPG. If I shall get 3, I will not be the one to argue! Provided it is quality, but that is a given with Palladium.

However, IF WE GET only THREE BOOKS, let me say, I should much much rather have "only" one Mysteries book and then LOD 3, and the long awaited e.g. (1-2 books on the) Old Kingdom.

May all your hits be crits!
Hendrik

Northern Ranger wrote:To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:... Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book ... I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time ...

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

Hi there,

great! I love the Yin-Sloth OCCs (even though the title/name "Holy Crusader" is IMVHO a wee bit misleading, I'd have dubbed him "temple guard" or "defender") and an update by Mark can definitely not hurt them

Northern Ranger wrote:... the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

indeed! Alas!

Cheers
Hendrik

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

good thing, great OCCs, but what about YSJ 2nd ed? please PB, make sure that those arent in two books in the end.

Vidynn wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

good thing, great OCCs, but what about YSJ 2nd ed? please PB, make sure that those arent in two books in the end.

I would not mind ... provided they are the same and not only similar.

Vidynn wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

good thing, great OCCs, but what about YSJ 2nd ed? please PB, make sure that those arent in two books in the end.

When I was writing, I had no idea that Shawn and Robyn were working on YSJ. In fact, I don't think they started YSJ until after I finished the first draft of MoM.

Mark Hall wrote:

Vidynn wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

good thing, great OCCs, but what about YSJ 2nd ed? please PB, make sure that those arent in two books in the end.

When I was writing, I had no idea that Shawn and Robyn were working on YSJ. In fact, I don't think they started YSJ until after I finished the first draft of MoM.

Correct we only started on YSJ in 2007.

Shawn Merrow wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Vidynn wrote:

Mark Hall wrote:

Northern Ranger wrote:To ammend that last post... I believe I read somewhere that Mark re-wrote the Undead Hunter for possible publication in this book. While not exactly original, I would be happy with this too, as it's needed to be done for quite some time and the Gods alone know when Yin Sloth 2E will come out!

I included 2nd edition versions of the Holy Crusader, Beastmaster, Witch Hunter and Undead Hunter, along with a few new things.

good thing, great OCCs, but what about YSJ 2nd ed? please PB, make sure that those arent in two books in the end.

When I was writing, I had no idea that Shawn and Robyn were working on YSJ. In fact, I don't think they started YSJ until after I finished the first draft of MoM.

Correct we only started on YSJ in 2007.

And I did the second draft of MoM in fall of 2006.