Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 8:56 pm
I think that they would rely less on force of arms and more on diplomacy.
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Vrykolas2k wrote:I think he'd allow the Vanguard to be accepted into the CS forces, and he'd PERSONALLY check up on Lone Star. I think also that he'd vastly upgrade the intelligence community, and establish better relations with NGR, FQ and the Republic of Columbia. He'd also probably gain more CS territory, though not necessarily through combat... his would be an empire of building up what he's already got.
Vrykolas2k wrote:I think he'd allow the Vanguard to be accepted into the CS forces, and he'd PERSONALLY check up on Lone Star. I think also that he'd vastly upgrade the intelligence community, and establish better relations with NGR, FQ and the Republic of Columbia. He'd also probably gain more CS territory, though not necessarily through combat... his would be an empire of building up what he's already got.
Capt. Meschievitz wrote:unless he could sway the general puplic into adoping the vanguard as military force and find someway of screening the applicants that join up...
Janissary wrote:I agree with the majority here, that Emperor Joe(doesn't that sound kinda lame by the way? no offense to CS fans) would be less interested in military expansion and focus more attention on diplomatic means. If you turn your enemy in to an ally do you not defeat him? I think Joe realizes that and would devote his energy towards that goal. He is after all THE master of propaganda and manipulation.
Awhile back someone had posted a "what would you do with the CS" topic. On there I had outlined things I think the CS should do in my opinion. These things were not only would I would do but I feel that it could actually happen. The following is a repost of that...The following are not in any order of priority...
1. Begin new propaganda efforts to generate positive opinions about the CS amongst the peoples of the surrounding areas.
2. As part of propaganda give "good faith" gifts and treaties to Free Quebec in order to form a stronger alliance.
3. Acknowledge the Vanguard and re-create CS magic division similar to the Psi Division. Run pro magic propaganda PRIOR to announcements. A year should do it.
4. Continue to run Pro-human and anti alien propaganda. It gives the people something to hate and therefore will keep them united under the emperor's rule.
5. Offer formal non-aggression pact to New Lazlo and Lazlo. Part of pact will be setting of borders. Have pact re-newable every 10 years. This will (hopefully) generate good will within those states and allow time for the CS to rebuild it's forces, develope new tactics based on Tolkeen offensive and fully intergrate the new Magic division in to the regular army. By adopting magic(human only, NO demon summoning) and the pro magic propaganda running in the CS itself this will cause Lazlo and New Lazlo to believe that the CS is slowly coming around toward a more tolerant attitude.
6. Work on diversifing resources. Currently the CS state of Missouri is the central farmland of the CS states. If those farmlands were to be destroyed it would be a serious threat to CS security and well being.
7. After incorporating the Vanguard and magic divisions in to the army, conduct a series of exercises pitting them against the current CS defenses, correct any problems. Then conduct a second series of exercises designed to utilize all battle field systems such as air support, infantry, artillery, psionics, magic, ECM, mechanized. This will ensure that the next war, be it offensive or defensive will go smoother then it otherwise might have.
8. After non-aggression pact with Lazlo, New Lazlo is in effect and after rebuilding or army is complete, start new offensive against Xiticix. If at all possible arrange for Lazlo or New Lazlo to render aid or atleast come in to direct confrontation with Xiticix. If done properly it will further create a feeling of trust in those nations, thus making a surprise attack against them easyer when the time comes.
9. Continue the bans on certain vids, books, etc. but start program ro promote literacy amongst the population. Tie this new program into propanganda effort. A message like"now that the monsters at Tolkeen are no longer attacking us, your Emperor can devote his attention to YOU the loyal citizens of the great human Coalition States." Something like that should do well. It will generate feelings of accomplishment among the population and make the war seem like Tolkeen was the aggressor. Stress the part of the Emperor taking care of his people and their needs.
10. As part of rebuilding, tie in new recruiting/retention benefits to propaganda efforts. The feelings of national pride and affection for the Emperor should swell the ranks of the armed forces.
I could go on but this is already becoming too long.
To address some of the items in that post. Let's start with the literacy campaign. Now before you shoot me down just consider this, how many times a day do you read something wether you want to or not? We here in modern America are bombarded by billboards, posters, junk mail, SPAM and the like.
The printed word is one of the basic tools of information dissemination. Consequently it is also one of the basic tools of propaganda. ESPECIALLY totalitarian regimes like the Coalition. Why cut yourself off from an entire avenue of propaganda? Yes there is a danger that a populace able to read would also read books you don't want them too but I think the risk for the CS is minimal. It's not like today where we have the internet and can travel where we want to when we want to. Just look at Chi-Town, if thats not near a 100% closed system I don't know what is. Another thing to consider is the love for the Emperor. If you are Joe(no pun intended) average Coalition citizen who will you believe, your Emperor who has kept you safe from monsters and demons all these years? Or some old lady that has a dragon for a best friend?
Remember people believe what they want to believe. I think they would continue to want to believe their Emperor over anyone else. Only by EXTENSIVE contact with aliens and the like would they begin to question what they have been taught. Extensive contact the average citizen wouldn't have.
Thats enough for right now I think, this is post is becoming rather long. I'll post again later on some of the other things.
iamgeorge wrote:I think that Joseph would be even more iron-fisted than his father.
Janissary wrote:Just like psychics were considered not true Humans before the Coalition War Campaign book came out but now are considered to be ok. The Coalition HAS changed it's policies in the past. It once accepted magic then changed it's mind. It can do so again and I think that with a new emperor it is likely.
I would like to point out to anyone not familiar with my posts that I am a moderate on the Coalition States. I do not subscribe to the notion that they are the soul of all that is Evil nor do I consider them to be Holy knights in the defense of all that is Good.
To be perfectly honest, I take comfort in the fact that the Coalition IS anti-magic. If they were to embrace magic but keep the Human supremacy and the hunger for conquest, I would be more worried about them. In such a case(as I mentioned elsewhere) I could see them dominating the ENTIRE North American continent in no more then 30 years. Not just the small portion they control now.He wouldn't waist time with "alliences" with lazlo or the like
I already stated my reasons for why a PEACE treaty would be in the Coalition's interest and not a "waste of time". I mentioned nothing of an alliance, I said non-aggression pact. NOT the same thing. I also went on to suggest that the Coalition ATTACK in due time.
Regarding literacy, in my initial post I anticipated that some would have an opposing view. I,(apparently correctly) thought it might draw more fire then the magic or D-bee issue. I have said why I think they should change that bit of policy and a small amount of the benefits for them. I guess more benefits need to be listed.
Here is something else to consider. IF the Coalition were to adopt a literacy program for citizens and the standardized schooling that it would require, it would increase the chances of them finding the Einsteins, Teslas or Edisons among their population. With out such a school program, to identify the "gifted" individuals of the population, they are wasting resources. Worse they are breeding resentment among the have nots which could lead to problems in the future.
Something it HAS definitely done though is create an avenue for the natural rebellious attitudes of many young, poor people. We see evidence of this in the world of Rifts with the "City Rat OCC". To quote" They crave adventure and find it by bucking the system" Pg.73 Rifts main book. By restricting such basic knowledge as reading, by making it illegal, the Coalition government actually ENCOURAGES this kind of behavior. It's simple logic, since reading is forbidden, the City Rat rebels by learning to read. He begins to educate himself and then uses that education for one of two things. 1, he seeks others ways to "fight the system" and creates more problems for the government. 2, he uses his knowledge to further his own personal goals. Hacking for fun and profit anyone?
In either case it would be avoided by simply making reading legal. Think about, who here would think of being able to read as a form of rebellion against the government? Nearly everyone can read so it's not that exciting. It's not forbidden. Now remember what I said about finding the gifted individuals as early as possible? By finding, selecting and then training them at an early age you create a useful resource. With the totalitarian dictatorship the CS has this would be easy. What parent would object to their child being chosen to further the "great cause of Humanity" by serving in a special research center? The CS would pay all the child's bills, clothes, food, medical, retirement. In exchange the young ones will be making great strides in science, technology and yes perhaps even in magic if it is allowed.
If you want to look at a "real world" example you need only to look at some of the great minds of history. Einstein was actually considered an idiot when he was young! He wasn't very good at math you see. Yet now he is thought of as one of the most brilliant men of all time. If he had never been allowed to read and study how would the world have ever known?
At the risk of sounding egotistical, I am a product of public education. I was raised on welfare by a single parent. Yet I was on the honor roll frequently, was put in advance classes, even jumped grades. I now have the honor to serve in the US military as a communication specialist. WITHOUT that public education I would not be where I am now. My innate intelligence would still be there though and instead of being put to use serving the USA, it would be wasted.
I hope this helps to explain why I feel it is in the best interests of the Coalition to educate their citizens.
Janissary wrote:It seems we are at an impass DarkBrandon. I can see that further discussion will not be needed. I appreciate your arguments but it looks like the only way to resolve the question is to wait and see what happens when and if Carl Prosek dies.
Until then I will maintain my views and I'm sure you will retain yours. I may of course change my view IF provided with sufficent evidence to do so. I submitted my views and the facts that gave me them. You gave me your views. Let's call it a draw and see what Palladium has in store for us.