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i know i know something so simple but it seems every time this comes up me the gm or the other gm seem to have a brain fart at the moment... so here it goes....... how do you guys roll for attributte checks? i would say a d20 but it seems alot of characters these days have over a 20 in any attributte... so do you roll a d10 and a d20 to see check it? right now thats the only solition i can come up with.. thats for your help

huh says again (iq of say umm 10 here) ((well maybe a 9) lol

Then you rolled under a 5 on a d20

You can make the maximum attribute 18 for the purposes of the check, sort of like the 98% skill proficiency rule.

Attributes over 16 are rare in our games. I wish I had your dice.

In one of the Palladium supplments, Nargash Tor I think, it was a straight d20 vs attribute. If you are over 20, then you automagically make it, I guess.

The rule is I beleive 2d20 and the combined added roll has to be under the attribute in question.

Which means in order to always pass you have to have an attribute of 40+

The fact that I know how to get every attribute in the game higher than that nonwithstanding

* I use the perception check chart for difficulty. and the bonus for the roll is whatever is applicable. Like using the base magic save for PE as your bonus to whatever attribute check dealing with PE. Pretty straight forward for PE, ME, and PP

* IQ use the ME bonus.

* PS divide attribute by 10(rounding down, or keep the decimal for roll offs with other characters).

* MA and PB divide the pecentage bonus by 10 (rounding down, or keep decimal for roll offs with other characters)

that'll give you good number for a bonus to be added to a 20 sider.
seems to work really well at my table.

problem with precentiles is that if your rolling against another roll its hard to gague the success.
I believe somebody had a percentile roll off modification if you prefer that. I believe it was Kuseru Satsujin. But I don't know where he posted it.

duck-foot wrote:I do it this way (all are D% like skills, roll under) like a skill it cannot go beyond a 98%.
Well use a P.P. of 20 for the example
Easy as pie attribute check. Attribute x5 (roll under 98%)
Very Easy attribute check. Attribute x4 (roll under 80%)
Easy attribute check. Attribute x3 (roll under 60%)
Normal attribute check. Attribute x2 (roll under 40%)
Hard attribute check. Attribute roll under 20%
Very hard attribute check. 1/2 Attribute (round down) roll under 10%

now its upto you the gm to decide what is a hard, easy or normal check.

I use somthing very close to this..

I just break it down into 3 groups.. easy, medium, hard,

Easy is X3 the attribute.
Medium is X2.
Hard is just the attribute.

Roll under on D100 to make it.

I figured I just keep it this way cause a person who doesnt have the skill should have a hard time using his default then someone who does have the skill.

Or, to just keep it simple, so all rolls are just D100 under your Attribute

Hope it helps

Regards

duck-foot wrote:

Shotgun_Jolly wrote:

duck-foot wrote:I do it this way (all are D% like skills, roll under) like a skill it cannot go beyond a 98%.
Well use a P.P. of 20 for the example
Easy as pie attribute check. Attribute x5 (roll under 98%)
Very Easy attribute check. Attribute x4 (roll under 80%)
Easy attribute check. Attribute x3 (roll under 60%)
Normal attribute check. Attribute x2 (roll under 40%)
Hard attribute check. Attribute roll under 20%
Very hard attribute check. 1/2 Attribute (round down) roll under 10%

now its upto you the gm to decide what is a hard, easy or normal check.

I use somthing very close to this..

I just break it down into 3 groups.. easy, medium, hard,

Easy is X3 the attribute.
Medium is X2.
Hard is just the attribute.

Roll under on D100 to make it.

I figured I just keep it this way cause a person who doesnt have the skill should have a hard time using his default then someone who does have the skill.

Or, to just keep it simple, so all rolls are just D100 under your Attribute

Hope it helps

Regards

GREAT MINDS THINK ALIKE JOLLY

At least great somethings

I am surprised no one has jumped in to complain about the unneccessary complexity of this way of doing things.

duck-foot wrote:Lather must mow die!!!!!!!

Mine has always been double the attribute number, then use percentile
dice to roll beneath it. Say the PCs are moving a large table out of a
room. Now its not going to be a problem to pick it up. So I tell one
PC to make an IQ roll. His IQ is 14 which turns into 28. Then I think about
his character, let's say his a mechanic. So I'll give him an extra 15
(usually no more then 20) so it gives him a 43. So roll below that and you
can figure out how to manuever the table out the door. I general use
attribute rolls for miscellanous skill stuff thats not cover by skills, combat
bonuses, or special abilities.

This comment will probably get me beat down but......
This is one of the reasons I like D&D 3rd edition. They have whole tables for the target number needed to perform most tasks, and the related attribute you can use for bonuses.

I am not one for tables myself, but I certainly would not beat down anyone who is!

I've always had a problem deciding how attribute checks should be done, too. (Also those pesky perception checks, which some of the kind folks here on the forums have already helped me with) I like the idea of turning it into a percentage check, that seems to make sense, though it might make for more work on the part of the GM (who amongst us isn't used to that?) It will definitely make the checks easier on the players in my group, one of which is my wife, so I definitely want to make things easier, don't I? Thanks guys!

Northern Ranger wrote:It will definitely make the checks easier on the players in my group, one of which is my wife, so I definitely want to make things easier, don't I? Thanks guys!

No. Not want.

Need

It almost sounds like you know her, Lather.

Northern Ranger wrote:It almost sounds like you know her, Lather.

Almost, yes.

I usually have them roll 1d30 for stat checks. (1d10+1d20 will do for rolling with real dice)

goodhometownboy wrote:i know i know something so simple but it seems every time this comes up me the gm or the other gm seem to have a brain fart at the moment... so here it goes....... how do you guys roll for attributte checks? i would say a d20 but it seems alot of characters these days have over a 20 in any attributte... so do you roll a d10 and a d20 to see check it? right now thats the only solition i can come up with.. thats for your help

Percentile dice is the most official method.

Killer Cyborg wrote:

goodhometownboy wrote:i know i know something so simple but it seems every time this comes up me the gm or the other gm seem to have a brain fart at the moment... so here it goes....... how do you guys roll for attributte checks? i would say a d20 but it seems alot of characters these days have over a 20 in any attributte... so do you roll a d10 and a d20 to see check it? right now thats the only solition i can come up with.. thats for your help

Percentile dice is the most official method.

Maybe if you are talking about a 'sense of balance' roll. But there are many chars w/o gym. nor acro. so can't roll vs SoBal.

drewkitty ~..~ wrote:

Killer Cyborg wrote:

goodhometownboy wrote:i know i know something so simple but it seems every time this comes up me the gm or the other gm seem to have a brain fart at the moment... so here it goes....... how do you guys roll for attributte checks? i would say a d20 but it seems alot of characters these days have over a 20 in any attributte... so do you roll a d10 and a d20 to see check it? right now thats the only solition i can come up with.. thats for your help

Percentile dice is the most official method.

Maybe if you are talking about a 'sense of balance' roll. But there are many chars w/o gym. nor acro. so can't roll vs SoBal.

I'm talking about any kind of attribute check.

Nargash Tor uses 1D20 for several attribute checks, and also uses P.P.'s dodge bonus and against a GM's D20 roll to determine if a character avoids falling into a trap. See pages 17 and 22 and perhaps elsewhere in the book; search "D20", you'll find them. That's all I've seen. I don't know what's official though since I neither read all the books nor have the power of reading Kevin's mind.

Here's an earlier thread on the topic:
viewtopic.php?p=1515552#p1515552


And this is from the FAQ:
viewtopic.php?p=1574317#p1574317

Question: For skills that it seems like anyone could attempt, like climbing, prowl, aand swimming, how do you determine a base chance of success for characters who have not learned them?
Answer: Attribute checks are the recommended method of determining success in these situations. Kevin Siembieda generally has the attribute equal the percent chance of success against a percentile roll.

actully what i figured out was to just double the attributte score and roll percentile dice to get under it

I am playing around with a Target Number System. The player roll D20 + Ability vs. the TN. The hero always succeeds on a natural 20 and always fails on a natural 1. This lets the weakest weenie have a shining moment and the mightiest intellect will occassionally brainfart. I love those crits and fumbles for storytelling!

CHALLENGE
Easy = TN 10 or no roll (you are heroes so who cares about easy stuff?)
Normal = TN 20
Hard = TN 25
Extreme = TN 30

BTW, before anyone screams "OMG D&D" please note that TN style systems have been around since 1976 with Tunnels & Trolls and used in many other RPGs long before WotC published 3.0.

Here's another option. Since Palladium uses Opposed Rolls for combat, why not for ability challenges? The player rolls D20 + Ability score and the GM rolls D20 + Challenge Level bonus. Ties go to the heroes.

Easy = D20 + no bonus (if you really want to roll)
Normal = D20 + 10
Hard = D20 + 15
Extreme = D20 + 20

I will probably be writing this up with more detail for Rifter 0.1 if that project happens. I personally like this method because it means the challenge may actually be secretly more complicated or easier than at first glance.

goodhometownboy wrote:actully what i figured out was to just double the attributte score and roll percentile dice to get under it

I think that works out fine.

he's alive!

Alive and kicking. How's your "Denver Game" going? I talked to Alex and said you guys were gaming pretty much every weekend.

I make them as a skill and add to skill list. For this example I’ll set all attributes at 20. Total percent cannot be greater than 98%
Intelligence of 20 = 20 + 6% bonus = 26% base skill + 6% per level (bonus mod.)
Mental Endurance of 20 = 20 + 3 bonus (use ‘save vs. insanity’ bonus) = 23% base skill +3% per level (bonus mod.)
Mental Affinity of 20 = 60% ÷ 2 = 30% base skill + 6% per level (60% ÷ 10 = +6%) (This is purely arbitrary on my part.)
Physical Strength of 20 = 20 + 5 bonus = 25% base skill + 5% per level (bonus mod.)
Physical Prowess of 20 = 20 + 3 bonus = 23% base skill + 3% per level (bonus mod.)
Physical Endurance of 20 = 20 + 10% bonus (use ‘save vs. coma/death’ bonus) = 30% base skill + 5% per level (10% ÷ 2 = 5%) (This is purely arbitrary on my part.)
Physical Beauty of 20 = 50% ÷ 2 = 25% base skill + 5% per level. (This is purely arbitrary on my part.)
Speed of 20 = 20% base skill + 5% per level. (This is purely arbitrary on my part.)
Now, you can add ± to the target percent player must roll under to succeed. Feel free to use and abuse as you see fit.

Enjoy.

I have a five step process.

1.Have each of the players give me five dollars.

2. Go buy another game.

3. Buy a pizza with the remaining cash.

4. ????

5. Have fun!

That solves most of the problems.